And... ok, rough day at work. Mikidiki; I'm officially pulling my head in until the next bottle of bourbon. Still think I was right about the US/Aus thing; which was probably implied, rather than straight out. Anyhoo; shit said, shit expected. /Roughrider.
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mikidiki
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And... ok, rough day at work. Mikidiki; I'm officially pulling my head in until the next bottle of bourbon. Still think I was right about the US/Aus thing; which was probably implied, rather than straight out. Anyhoo; shit said, shit expected. /Roughrider.
Don't worry - I don't like MAtt because he fought for Australia but I definitely think he should be respected for that - not everyone can take on such a position like that! He should be commended for that.
Yep; utterly. I'm not dissing Matt for being in the armed forces. I have the utmost respect for that; but I don't like the whole "let's go US" thing, of "OMG I COULD HAVE DIED!!!", but all I got was this bumper sticker shit they go in for...
When my (actual) brother was in the armed forces - was circa George Bush Snr (or Senile, take your pick) - and the first gulf war. I remember packing death about him being shipped over, even though his job was technical, rather than operational.
Come the later gulf war; I was in Dubai the weekend it started. Had been there for months, living in hotels at a company's expense. Embassy warnings went out - "Leave the country"; had an insider, who gave me pretty good (retrospectively... yay my judgement) intel; "As long as you're gone by Sunday". He wasn't in the embassy
Refused a work-sponsored Thursday flight out; used FF points to nab a business class seat on a plane a day later. Wonderful stuff -- me, and no-one else in BC lol. Had the entire BC staff chatting and pretending I was interesting. Was the best flight of my life.
When my (actual) brother was in the armed forces - was circa George Bush Snr (or Senile, take your pick) - and the first gulf war. I remember packing death about him being shipped over, even though his job was technical, rather than operational.
Come the later gulf war; I was in Dubai the weekend it started. Had been there for months, living in hotels at a company's expense. Embassy warnings went out - "Leave the country"; had an insider, who gave me pretty good (retrospectively... yay my judgement) intel; "As long as you're gone by Sunday". He wasn't in the embassy
Refused a work-sponsored Thursday flight out; used FF points to nab a business class seat on a plane a day later. Wonderful stuff -- me, and no-one else in BC lol. Had the entire BC staff chatting and pretending I was interesting. Was the best flight of my life.
lemonlemonlemon
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WEll you have to admit that's a bloody good reason!
It absolutely isn't.
Fighting for your country is an incredibly brave thing to do. But it doesn't make you a hero. There are people outside the armed forces that put their lives on the line every day and they don't get an ounce of the respect we give military personnel by default. When you go over to the US it gets even worse...
Matt's a soldier. He also happens to be a terrible HM. They don't have to be related.
It absolutely isn't.
Fighting for your country is an incredibly brave thing to do. But it doesn't make you a hero. There are people outside the armed forces that put their lives on the line every day and they don't get an ounce of the respect we give military personnel by default. When you go over to the US it gets even worse...
Matt's a soldier. He also happens to be a terrible HM. They don't have to be related.
On your point about not being a hero, im confused. By definition a hero is someone who is admired for their bravery or courage. You just stated that fighting for your country is an incredibly brave thing to do. What part of that does not make them heroes??
The fact that OTHER people ALSO deserve to be admired for their bravery and courage does not negate the need to respect our Armed Forces?!?!
On your point about not being a hero, im confused. By definition a hero is someone who is admired for their bravery or courage. You just stated that fighting for your country is an incredibly brave thing to do. What part of that does not make them heroes??
The fact that OTHER people ALSO deserve to be admired for their bravery and courage does not negate the need to respect our Armed Forces?!?!
Working a job doesn't make you a hero. And, to the majority of Aus's armed forces; that's what it is: "A Job". A job with very specialised skills, and different thought processes to your "average" Aussie. If you think that every member of the armed forces is a "HERO", then, can I suggest reaching out for a grip on reality. Suggesting that any member of the forces isn't a "hero"; similar. I want proof for both.
Now: that's not to say there aren't actual, real life, underpants wearing, heros in our armed forces. But, as a Nation; what is our biggest threat, right now? To be blunt; is it Tony Abbott, or Kevin Rudd. Side note; with 2 weeks of leaving office, Julia Gillard utilised the professional services of one of my minions; he "helped" Gillard in her "daily life".
A big mac for the first person to nail (and I mean nail) the service type that Gillard used. I have pictorial evidence.
Working a job doesn't make you a hero. And, to the majority of Aus's armed forces; that's what it is: "A Job". A job with very specialised skills, and different thought processes to your "average" Aussie. If you think that every member of the armed forces is a "HERO", then, can I suggest reaching out for a grip on reality. Suggesting that any member of the forces isn't a "hero"; similar. I want proof for both.
Now: that's not to say there aren't actual, real life, underpants wearing, heros in our armed forces. But, as a Nation; what is our biggest threat, right now? To be blunt; is it Tony Abbott, or Kevin Rudd. Side note; with 2 weeks of leaving office, Julia Gillard utilised the professional services of one of my minions; he "helped" Gillard in her "daily life".
A big mac for the first person to nail (and I mean nail) the service type that Gillard used. I have pictorial evidence.
Matt was infantry, IMO that's one of the courageous and brave positions. But anyway, I acknowledge your opinion, from which I differ. We are entitled to individual thought. My query was to [MENTION=27168]lemonlemonlemon[/MENTION] who said it was incredibly brave, but not heroic.
lemonlemonlemon
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On your point about not being a hero, im confused. By definition a hero is someone who is admired for their bravery or courage. You just stated that fighting for your country is an incredibly brave thing to do. What part of that does not make them heroes??
The fact that OTHER people ALSO deserve to be admired for their bravery and courage does not negate the need to respect our Armed Forces?!?!
Firstly, I think the definition of hero is a bit more complex than simply "one who is admired for their immense bravery". That sounds like a dictionary definition, the role of which is to be concise, not necessarily to express all the cultural connotations attached to a word.
What being a hero means is impossible for me to define, because it's culturally bound. But in my mind, being a hero is beyond simply being incredibly brave. Bravery is a nuanced concept that has different levels and aspects. Surgeons perform incredibly complex and life-threatening surgery every day all around the world but we rarely take the time to call them heroes. Sometimes we do, when it's publicised. But not always. Same goes for social workers, emergency services, the police force and a billion other occupations. Yet there seems to be this peculiar habit that when somebody is enrolled in the armed forces, they're a hero. Like, they get their uniform, some weaponry and the ability to be acceptably called a hero in society no matter their role. In my mind, a hero deserves to be a bit more than that.
I respect the people that die for our country. They've made the ultimate sacrifice, it's formidable, and incredibly tough for all the people they leave behind. Ironically I know this from personal experience. But I just feel uncomfortable with the amount of respect we give those in the armed forces by default. It doesn't seem right to me when there are others out there who are equally if not more worthy of our respect.
As for Matt (to try and make this a little less spectacularly off-topic), maybe he is a hero. I'm not convinced but what the hell do I know. Being a hero doesn't necessarily equate to being a good person anyway. Someone can lay their life down on the line for a cause and not be a hero. It's everybody else who decides whether the cause their championing and their motivation for doing so is admirable. Matt's a boring housemate. He also happened to fight for Australia. I dislike him for the former and respect him for the latter. That's it.
Also, everything that Ayr said.
Ok I think I understand where you stand. Fair enough.
This really satisfied my query:
This really satisfied my query:
I dislike him for the former and respect him for the latter. That's it.
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Matt's a boring HM and should go. Tully is an emotionally-draining HM and should go.
Whether either has redeeming qualities or expressions we're not seeing (perhaps due to Ch 9's sanitised production requirements), we'll never know.
(Also, Ben is ludicrous. Unfortunately, he fits the format, but I'd like to see him go too. Triple eviction surprise?)
Whether either has redeeming qualities or expressions we're not seeing (perhaps due to Ch 9's sanitised production requirements), we'll never know.
(Also, Ben is ludicrous. Unfortunately, he fits the format, but I'd like to see him go too. Triple eviction surprise?)
Niece. Ruby Faith. Born 11/8. A friend is friends with Luke's (Matt's brother) wife. Just to get the facts in your rant right....not to mention strategically wheeling out the new baby nephew (who could be six months old...or an actor pretending to be his nephew...that photo might have even been photoshopped - there are plenty of things that a photoshopped baby could have replaced in that photo).
Niece. Ruby Faith. Born 11/8. A friend is friends with Luke's (Matt's brother) wife. Just to get the facts in your rant right.
It's true.
I am that friend.
It's true. Tra is that friend.It's true.
I am that friend.
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