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Stacey's dislike towards Estelle

Well yeah George and Ray but she wouldn't pull that shit with those that wouldn't put up with it.
I'd love to see all of them get goaded with jokes, half of them wouldn't find it amusing.

At least Estelle seems to have a sense of humour, Angie went nuts at Ben for what was just a bit of a prank really.
 
Ava and Estelle was a situation that caused conflict in the house.
But Stacey wouldnt try that with say, Angie....saying she better not 'come at her' etc

That saved the house from being the Ben and Stacy bitch show. Thank god Ava chose Estelle and Josh!
 
Yeah I agree. Stacey is a funny chick who uses a funny sort of fag-hag lingo and humour and that comment was only meant to be a cheeky and amusing yet harmless dig at Estelle and her friendship with Ava. I actually like Estelle and think there's nought wrong with her close bond with Ava. I think Stacey's wit and barbs ought to be taken as it was intended...with a giggle and a grain of salt.

I couldn't agree more. I can't stand bullying but that was a cheeky throwaway comment, a joke. And it was funny. Indeed if I was Estelle I'd have laughed at the truism in hanging out 24/7 with Ava but realize that it wasn't meant with malice and have a chuckle at the joke at my expense in a self-deprecating way with Stace. Just my opinion, but hey.

Yeah, I'd agree with that, more stuff being blown out of proportion.
 
I think part of the problem is they don't have much to say or do. So they have no conversation topics. So they just bitch and Estelle is an easy target to focus on.

And thats the problem this season. Previous housemates had better things to talk about. Sure there were personality conflicts and fights every now and then. Thats the point of the game, but most of the time, they had better things to talk about. Ben and Stacy have a severe case of superiority complex.
 
god get over your "bullying" shit, didn't you guys hear BB saying if there is bullying going on in the house he would know and it is strongly not allowed in the house. you guys are actually retarded if you think its bullying. stop hating and enjoy the show your all jealous i bet half of you wouldn't even last a week get over yourself your bullying by writing this stuff about people you don't even know...
 
Agreed, people who spin out about lavender put behind her ear or up her nose are a bit too anal for my liking...get playful people!

Seriously, could you imagine anything worse than being stuck in a house for that long with people who didn't stick lavender behind their ears or up their noses? And besides, i know i would go completely stir-crazy myself.. if the weirdest thing i'd be doing is lavender up the nose id be amazed quite frankly at my relative sanity

PS - Go for stacey all you want.. just vote to save Estelle so she gets more votes than Angie!
 
Again, I have to politely disagree. Stacey's aimed and fired jokes at every housemate I think. Estelle has sometimes been rocked by peoples jokes and at other times had a sense of humour. This particular joke wasn't said in her presence but one would hope that she'd be not too precious to find it a giggle. That's been my point all along really.
I do agree that Braddles went WAY over the top at Benji's joke and of course when the housemates had a food fight...how anal was that, Mr B. Raddles party pooper?! All I thought was Bradley = Benjamin Button: here is a young boy getting up tight about a food fight. What the hell is going on here?!?! Relax.



Well yeah George and Ray but she wouldn't pull that shit with those that wouldn't put up with it.
I'd love to see all of them get goaded with jokes, half of them wouldn't find it amusing.

At least Estelle seems to have a sense of humour, Angie went nuts at Ben for what was just a bit of a prank really.
 
I agree with Up_All_Night's post except in certain respects so I've performed a re-edit to my satisfaction.

As has been described by housemates, Estelle is difficult to live with. She is on the outer and a lot of the house mates don't like her. That's why she's on the outer. The people living with her feel the need to vent and to us sometimes that might look like open season on Estelle. She's someone they all feel a need to bitch about. The not Estelle members of the house have formed working friendships with each other they haven't been able to with Estelle. Estelle being on the outer increased her potential for being a target.

Estelle is also someone who has difficulty making connections with people. She's basically up herself. Which hasn't sat well with the others who are able to relate to each other. Estelle was happy being friendly in her own way but likes to feel special or better. For instance, when Sarah made an issue of people not comforting an eviction nominated Charne, Estelle quickly imposed that she was the good girl who did. Recently she took Michael to task for racist humour when it was clearly not what he was doing. She exploited an opportunity to grand stand at his expense. It's part of her superior attitude.

The Ava situation dramatically increased problems some house mates had with their disliked Estelle. It seems that in many house mates' minds they felt Estelle didn't know how to belong and would be gone soon and had given up being nice or getting to know her. They left her to her own devices in the "weird corner" she'd effectively marked out for herself. But she keeps hanging around like a stubborn hog and all they can do is to keep nominating her.

So this is going on and someone new came into the house and Estelle intercepts her to be the ideal BFF and completely distorts the social environment, sucking Ava into the vortex of her own neediness. It kind of raised alarms for many in the house. Estelle is prancing about all wonderful for Ava and looking down on her HMs as freaks. Why would anyone make such an immediate choice to become BFF to Estelle? It really caused a stir that Ava would allow herself to be drawn into Estelle's drama in using her as a snub to the other HMs. They had yet more to vent about Estelle.

Ava was new and pretty and they were simply astounded that Ava would instantaneously attach herself to Estelle. All the talk about separating the two was to give Ava a chance to mix properly. But Ava bought into Estelle's deal and has damaged her relationships to other HMs by giving so little. It appears she prefers singular connections, one GF & one BF, and isn't the mixer she claimed to be before entering the house. None of the HMs have had much chance to get to know or like Ava. So she's up for eviction.

To a casual viewer or Estelle fan she might look like a scapegoat but it's a circumstance of her own making.

With someone like Stacey, we're seeing humour through exaggeration. Estelle's a frustrating person to share a house with and she's trapped with her. The longer you're in the house, the closer you become to people and the harder to bitch unless there are real issues. Bitching about Estelle has become the thing to do It's hard to shake those underlying frustrations. They'll continue while Estelle lingers.

I reckon that we can be assured that, as with Sarah, Stacey will not be smashing in anyone's face, even Estelle's
 
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You're one sick puppy supermonster, has anybody ever told you that? lol

Twisting version of events to the point where the victim is to blame for all the crap she has endured, shame on you.
 
You should have highlighted your edits in a different colour.

I agree with Up_All_Night's post except in certain respects so I've performed a re-edit to my satisfaction.


Estelle is also someone who has difficulty making connections with people. She's basically up herself. Which didn't sit well with the others who are able to relate to each other. Estelle was happy being friendly in her own way but likes to feel special or better. For instance, when Sarah made an issue of people not comforting an eviction nominated Charne, Estelle quickly imposed that she was the good girl who did. Recently she took Michael to task for racist humour when it was clearly not what he was doing. She exploited an opportunity to grand stand at his expense. It's part of her superior attitude.

Anyway I don't at all think Estelle is stuck up. Can you please explain in which way she is stuck up?

I don't see how the Sarah complaining about Charne was stuck up. If anything it's just her standing up for herself being accused of something.

Also she did not take Michael to task about a racist joke. She just said it was unnecessary for him to retell the offensive joke. There's a big difference. Also in no way did she grand stand? What the fuck.

The Ava situation dramatically increased problems some house mates had with their disliked Estelle. It seems that in many house mates' minds they felt Estelle didn't know how to belong and would be gone soon and had given up being nice or getting to know her. They left her to her own devices in the "weird corner" she'd effectively marked out for herself.But she keeps hanging around like a stubborn hog and all they can do is to keep nominating her.


Why does someone have to know how to belong? Why can't someone just be in the house and be themselves. She did nothing to cause disruptions, fights or problems. Just because she was not conforming or in the strong bonds, in no way at all gives them carte blanche to treat her like trash. She has a right to be there as much as anyone.

She can belong in her own way. Also they did keep her on the outer. Not conforming and joining in the groups, feeling the loss of her friend Ryan. They in no way opened up or accepted her. The group had closed themselves off to her.



So this is going on and someone new came into the house and Estelle intercepts her to be the ideal BFF and completely distorts the social environment, sucking Ava into the vortex of her own neediness. It kind of raised alarms for many in the house. Estelle is prancing about all wonderful for Ava and looking down on her HM as freaks. Why would anyone make such an immediate choice to become BFF to Estelle? It really caused a stir that Ava would allow herself to be drawn into Estelle's drama in using her as a snub to the other HMs. They had yet more to vent about Estelle.

Oh for fuck sake, so you're still denying Ava actually likes Estelle? Because to claim there's some vortex she sucked her into implies she's still in it.

Where on earth has Estelle been looking down on house mates? If anything it's the complete opposite with house mates constantly saying how she's a freak, should be by herself, that she doesn't deserve a friend. That she's so stupid, such a moron a meeper or whatever. Every daily show there's negative comments about her made by other housemates. How often do we see her doing the same?

They have nothing to vent about estelle. Estelle is doing her own thing. She stays out of their business. Doesn't bitch about them or do anything to make their time in the house less enjoyable. Oh wait, she's there so shame on her right???



Ava was new and pretty and they were simply astounded that Ava would instantaneously attach herself to Estelle. All the talk about separating the two was to give Ava a chance to mix properly. But Ava bought into Estelle's deal and has damaged her relationships to other HMs by giving so little. It appears she prefers singular connections, one GF & one BF, and isn't the mixer she claimed to be before entering the house. None of the HMs have had much chance to get to know or like Ava. So she's up for eviction.

Estelle's deal? Wtf?

How has she damaged relationships? On the friggin' show we have seen conversations of the house mates who had been isolating talking about how they never gave her a chance. Yet it's Estelle's fault??

Ava is a big girl. She's the second oldest in the house. She is her own person and can make her own mind up. It's stupid to make such assertions.





To a casula veiwer or Estelle fan she might look like a scapegoat but it's a circumstance of her own making.

Or to any viewer who heard the house mates actually describe Estelle as being unfairly treated as the house scapegoat...



With someone like Stacey, we're seeing humour through exaggeration. Estelle's a frustrating person to share a house with and she's trapped with her.
The longer you're in the house, the closer you become to people and the harder to bitch unless there's real issues. Bitching about Estelle has become the thing to do, it's hard to shake and those underlying frustrations. They'll continue while Estelle lingers.

I reckon that we can be assured that, as with Sarah, Stacey will not be smashing in anyone's face, even Estelle's

No Stacey humor is being immature and silly. She is also just mean and nasty. Sometimes for humor but there's no different between when she's bitching with Ben or to the group. Even if there's a laugh. Content doesn't change. it is no exaggerating for comedic effect.




In conclusion, you clearly don't actually pay much attention to the show as you appear to have a fictional version of what's going on in your head.
 
You're one sick puppy supermonster, has anybody ever told you that? lol

Twisting version of events to the point where the victim is to blame for all the crap she has endured, shame on you.



Shame on them indeed.

I get the impression there's a couple different types of viewers of Big Brother. There's those who like to watch the house, the interactions whats going on ect. Standing back and observing. No real allegiances.

Then there are those that watch and want to be in the house, or imagine how they'd be in the house. Who they'd be hanging out with, what they'd say and do. These people then relate and side with the house mates they like, think they'd be hanging out with, getting along with. As if they were their friends. So they end up taking their side in everything and don't take in an over arching objective view of the house and house mates.

Supermonster appears to be that latter type.
 
I'd say Estelle isn't 'up herself' but probably arrogant.
Arrogance pisses people off, especially those that have a number of insecurities.
We saw the same with Ray, he came off as quite arrogant and had similar treatment.

It depends how you take a person, if you're going to let their arrogance define your relationship with them...well yeah (like what they've done with Estelle) is stuffed.
But if you accept that this is an aspect of a person then you can see other stuff, but yeah as stated previously....they don't care enough about Estelle to learn more and look through her imperfections.

Not surprised, they're all mates (apart from Estelle) but if push came to shove, they only care about themselves and winning....for the first time in a few series, most of these housemates have their eye on taking out the whole thing.
 
Supermonster is definitely in the first category, Super's giving BB much more insight than it deserves.

And.......let's not forget Estelle was a different person with ryan around, she was quite up herself, and telling Angie to use her 'little blonde brain'.
In those first weeks, Estelle could be just as verbally rude as most in there.
Sounds like she does quite a bit of bragging and posing too, the horses/skating/rapping.

I have no idea who she is, if she is annoying or whatever,, but she strikes me as a poser who has a bad habit of meming on conversations - dropping in at the end and totaly misunderstanding and confusing matters
 
Shame on them indeed.

I get the impression there's a couple different types of viewers of Big Brother. There's those who like to watch the house, the interactions whats going on ect. Standing back and observing. No real allegiances.

Then there are those that watch and want to be in the house, or imagine how they'd be in the house. Who they'd be hanging out with, what they'd say and do. These people then relate and side with the house mates they like, think they'd be hanging out with, getting along with. As if they were their friends. So they end up taking their side in everything and don't take in an over arching objective view of the house and house mates.

Supermonster appears to be that latter type.

Yes that's true.

I would even say one type identify with the HMs so much, they feel personally attacked (even when there is no reason).
They will call HMs names.
Even when I see injustice done, I don't call anyone, bitch, fat, or whatever those immature people do.

I sometimes feel the forum has a lot of young immature people.
 
I also think one of the main things people dislike about Estelle is simply that she has some different opinions. That she's not going to just push over and say whatever.

Michael is a bit like this. However he uses the "authority" that he is a genius. He also surrounded himself with people who just listen and accept him. People like Josh who have made points about not liking serious discussions on things like politics. Michael however has no room for different peoples opinions.

Estelle on the other hand will speak her mind. In the house and group dynamics there's just no acceptance of that. Then people on here discuss how she's arrogant and up herself. It's not arrogant to have your own opinion and to not give into a group. It's not stuck to be politically correct, or whatever the hell that argument is.

Even when Brad has gotten annoyed at Estelle. It's simply for the fact she will state her opinion.

There's really at atmosphere of very little tolerance for anyone who doesn't fit in the mold and who will stick to their convictions and not just adapt, keep quiet and blend in. I think part of the problem is, so few people seem to even care or have opinions about a lot of things. It's all just superficial nonsense.
 
. Part of the bitching and meanness was also possibly being used as a way of signalling to each other, "lets nominate Estelle." .

I think it's mainly this, although from time to time it does get more personal. It's just too comfortable to sit back and fill two of the three nomination spots by putting the same people up and recycling the same old reasons, cuts the others chances of being evicted enormously. It's a pity they are not all put up for nomination, a least the people on the outside would get a bigger say in who's worth keeping.
 
Oh look at that Ben just said Estelle is an easy target because she is different.

So Ben said in front of say a million viewers that he is in fact a bully? Considering you say that Ben is playing the game hard, ummm, yeah right.

I knew when I heard it that Ben haters will interpret that he is admitting that he is one, instead of what he meant which was simply that Estelle is an easy target because she makes herself DIFFERENT because of her attention seeking and not trying fit in, and it's not for their lack of trying to involve her, it's her wanting to be TOO DIFFERENT that causes conflict - how many more times can she state that she is different? We get it! as much as we get that many are going to label her a victim because they simply hate Ben *yawn*

Estelle is one of those types that are very vocal that they are slimmer than everyone else, smarter than everyone else, lived harder than everyone else. Have you thought that they, knocking her down a peg or two, might be actually doing her a favour and your claims are not?

Every time I read a 'Hate Ben' or 'Bullying' thread, I am disliking Estelle more and more.... not because of her, but because of this repetitiveness. I am praying Estelle gets evicted this weekend so other members can be discussed and not turn into a Estelle/Ben thread as all threads seem to do.
 
I am praying Estelle gets evicted this weekend so other members can be discussed and not turn into a Estelle/Ben thread as all threads seem to do.

The title of this thread is "Stacey's dislike towards Estelle" so i think it is pretty clearly defined from the beginning as 'a thread about Estelle'. I dont see how you think this thread has suddenly turned into an Estelle thread. Adressing your other concern about other members not being discussed, the thread is also about Stacey (also in the title)
 
The title of this thread is "Stacey's dislike towards Estelle" so i think it is pretty clearly defined from the beginning as 'a thread about Estelle'. I dont see how you think this thread has suddenly turned into an Estelle thread. Adressing your other concern about other members not being discussed, the thread is also about Stacey (also in the title)

I understand that .... but if you read the quote that I quoted, it was concerning Ben
 
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