Post BB - Housemate Antics 2013

[TullyLovesDrew]

This is a very good point. Take someone like Boog for example. I'd bet anything that she's just ignored it because given their relationship she wouldn't want to participate in a game or accept any sort of handout from Tim even if it were for a charity (I thought Ed would be the same tbh and was surprised when he wasn't). However now she's automatically been painted with the "naughty" brush which implies she kept it for herself when she might not even have responded to it.

but Ed is hyper-sensitive to his public image .... so when he figured it out he had no choice (this may be one of Tim's specific desired outcomes)

I hope Boog does something, I would like to see her do something overly reckless with the money (like take Ed out for a night on the town with Tim's money or throw a huge party with it ) and really hype it up, just rub it all over Tim's face, on social media whilst tagging Tim the whole way or donate it to a worthy charity of her own choice but I would like to see her take control of Tim's game away from him like she did in the house

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

Jasmine has seemingly chosen to take the money and has had to defend herself on Twitter throughout the day due to accusations from posters of her being seen in pics out and about etc so why can't she afford to donate the money. Totally humiliating....no sign of Tim defending her.

this is the consequence of making the "naughty/selfish" choice in Tim's game ..... IMO he won't defend her

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

one last time for those who can't get past point 1

1) Tim giving $10,000 to charity is an awesome gesture, I 100% agree.

2) Tim making it a game is wrong

 

[Lindsay1973]

That's fair enough. But I just see it as it's his money, it's his choice. The people who would be struggling with this idea are the very ones who tried to cost him that 250k in the first place. If they had their way he wouldn't have the money to give to the Christmas Appeal or now to various charities on a HMs behalf. The fact that he's even giving them the option of keeping it for themselves is much more charitable than I would be considering he doesn't even talk to some of these people at all.

for the people criticising the way Tim did this,look at it this way now more people know about all these charities and maybe they donated themselves..it's a win for the charities that are being helped

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

So there's a list of HM's who took the money for themselves?

people are making these lists and IMO will be taking shots at these HM's which is the whole problem with the game

the people on these lists will get maligned by the public (who don't know details, and may have incorrect information)

 

[gallagher]

Ed ONCE AGAIN in driver's seat with phone active! don't care if he's stopped to do it - he's giving out a dangerous message that its ok to mess around with your phone when at the wheel. GROW UP ED!!!

Don't think he'd be concentrating that much to get a picture like this if he was driving.

If he used his front facing camera, which I'm pretty sure he did, then it flips it and Nick is actually the one driving. Obviously he should flip it back because people will get the wrong message.

 

[littlebear]

for the people criticising the way Tim did this,look at it this way now more people know about all these charities and maybe they donated themselves..it's a win for the charities that are being helped

But that doesn't apply to the argument--which several of us have made--that he could have just said he was going to donate the money in each of their names instead of the dodgy "gift" option, since it's clear that getting them to give to charities was the goal. For the record, I'm not questioning his right to do it however he wants. I just think it could have and perhaps has hurt some people quite needlessly in the course of doing good.

 

[crimmy]

But that doesn't apply to the argument--which several of us have made--that he could have just said he was going to donate the money in each of their names instead of the dodgy "gift" option, since it's clear that getting them to give to charities was the goal. For the record, I'm not questioning his right to do it however he wants. I just think it could have and perhaps has hurt some people quite needlessly in the course of doing good.

Tim will be forever tarred with the 'manipulator' brush but we should remember to judge him on the good things he's done as well ... even before going on BB he's volunteered, given his time - which for some is even more important than money ... and now that he has the means to do so he's giving ... this $10000 isn't the only charitable giving he's done.

the real bad spirited people in this whole storm of righteousness are those haterz on social media who set themselves up as judge and jury and spout their crap hiding behind a keyboard. Where are THEIR donations going to this Christmas season I wonder?

 

[Jane Doe]

Tim will be forever tarred with the 'manipulator' brush but we should remember to judge him on the good things he's done as well ... even before going on BB he's volunteered, given his time - which for some is even more important than money ... and now that he has the means to do so he's giving ... this $10000 isn't the only charitable giving he's done.

the real bad spirited people in this whole storm of righteousness are those haterz on social media who set themselves up as judge and jury and spout their crap hiding behind a keyboard. Where are THEIR donations going to this Christmas season I wonder?

Maybe Tim should have taken that into consideration when he posted a video asking people to judge whether the other HMs were naughty or nice. These people were told by the saintly Tim what the judging criteria was for his little game...naughty if the HM kept the gift,nice if they donated it to charity. Those were Tim's own words. To act like there are random people just arbitrarily judging the HMs is to ignore that the whole thing was set up and spurred on by Tim, who now stands back in feigned shock that people are doing exactly what he told them to do. Tim isn't some naive innocent who had no idea how social media works. He is responsible for putting all of this in motion, no matter how people want to pretend he's not.

 

[Gemini]

Maybe Tim should have taken that into consideration when he posted a video asking people to judge whether the other HMs were naughty or nice. These people were told by the saintly Tim what the judging criteria was for his little game...naughty if the HM kept the gift,nice if they donated it to charity. Those were Tim's own words. To act like there are random people just arbitrarily judging the HMs is to ignore that the whole thing was set up and spurred on by Tim, who now stands back in feigned shock that people are doing exactly what he told them to do. Tim isn't some naive innocent who had no idea how social media works. He is responsible for putting all of this in motion, no matter how people want to pretend he's not.

Thanks [MENTION=36695]Jane Doe[/MENTION]. This is exactly what I was trying to get at before but once again you articulated it better than I could. Some of those idiots that swarm all over Twitter are obviously very nasty human beings, but by Tim making that video and calling the HMs out to make a choice which proves whether they're naughty or nice is obviously encouraging people to judge the HMs who chose to be naughty. Love Tim or hate him it's obvious that he's the most influential HM by far, and if he's posting a video that sets up a scenario that encourages people to judge the HMs based on their choice then obviously there's going to be people that throw judgement at the "naughty" HMs. Now I'm not defending any of these Twitter idiots, but I really do think Tim is smart enough to know what kind of influence he has and that if he subliminally encourages judgement based on their choices then of course it's going to encourage judgement. And to me that's exactly what he was doing whether intentional or not. Just because he looks innocent in an elf costume it doesn't mean that the message is innocent.

I don't think he was shocked at all that people started hurling criticism at Tahan. But by defending her publically it detracts attention from him as the instigator and puts the blame back on the nasty Twitter people.

I feel like I've fallen into a wacky alternate universe where I feel sorry for people like Tahan and Jazz and am critical/suspicious of Tim's intentions here. I will reiterate that I think it's a wonderful thing that he's giving up $10000 and it looks like a lot of it will make it to charity, but the way he's done it still raises a fair bit of suspicion in my head.

Again I'm not critical of what he's doing (I think that's wonderful) but more how he's done it with the ultimatum "chose between being nice or naughty" message in the video. I will add though that I don't think Tim actually expected any of the HMs to accept the money for themselves (or most of it in Tahan's case). So this consequence was probably something he didn't expect to happen to this degree.

 

[Jo-bot]

yeah all those poor housemates that big bad tim gave the opportunity to do something nice at christmas. Why the hell would any of them think it's ok to accept such a gift that most of them don't deserve is beyond me. Why anyone is so concerned about the poor poor housemates that have been put in such a terrible public position is beyond me. Why do any of them deserve his money? What are they doing for him? He wants his money to go to charity, if it doesn't then stiff shit to the fools who are greedy enough (and stupid enough) to keep it themselves.

Fool proof plan...meaning only a fool would keep it....meaning charities will win. it should not a humiliating situation for any of them to be in .... do with the money what it was intended. I guess the poor guy didn't realise any of them were so hard up that they would chose to line their own pockets with money meant for charity. If they don't want to take part because it's more important to their pride not to be involved in anything tim does they could easily tweet "it's your money, send it to whatever charity you want in your own name tim". Easy.

why any of you is so butt hurt over how he's put all these poor, struggling housemates in such a terrible situation of public humiliation is an insult. It is their choice to make. Stop crying that he's playing a game and the poor housemates might get a wittle bit embarrassed by the master manipulator. How about they just give the fucking money to charity....simple. Why would any of them keep the money for themselves....how was jas gonna pay her rent before tim offered to give her money to her favourite charity.

Fool proof plan.....only a fool wouldn't give it to charity.....he was trying to do a good thing by the charities not realising some fools favourite charity is themselves. Of course he wasn't trying to set them up for public abuse, he probably never thought for a second any of them would actually keep a $500 gift for themselves when the gift giver made it clear what he was wanting you to do with the money. He didn't say "you must give this money to charity" because he was probably trying to give them a chance to look good to the public. Oops now there is a dilemma.....some of them are actually stupid enough to keep it. Not tims fault.

and lets not get ahead of ourselves, i'm sure some of them will still give to charity. It's early days yet.

but poor housemates my arse.

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

yeah all those poor housemates that big bad tim gave the opportunity to do something nice at christmas. Why the hell would any of them think it's ok to accept such a gift that most of them don't deserve is beyond me. Why anyone is so concerned about the poor poor housemates that have been put in such a terrible public position is beyond me. Why do any of them deserve his money? What are they doing for him? He wants his money to go to charity, if it doesn't then stiff shit to the fools who are greedy enough (and stupid enough) to keep it themselves.

Fool proof plan...meaning only a fool would keep it....meaning charities will win. it should not a humiliating situation for any of them to be in .... do with the money what it was intended. I guess the poor guy didn't realise any of them were so hard up that they would chose to line their own pockets with money meant for charity. If they don't want to take part because it's more important to their pride not to be involved in anything tim does they could easily tweet "it's your money, send it to whatever charity you want in your own name tim". Easy.

why any of you is so butt hurt over how he's put all these poor, struggling housemates in such a terrible situation of public humiliation is an insult. It is their choice to make. Stop crying that he's playing a game and the poor housemates might get a wittle bit embarrassed by the master manipulator. How about they just give the fucking money to charity....simple. Why would any of them keep the money for themselves....how was jas gonna pay her rent before tim offered to give her money to her favourite charity.

Fool proof plan.....only a fool wouldn't give it to charity.....he was trying to do a good thing by the charities not realising some fools favourite charity is themselves. Of course he wasn't trying to set them up for public abuse, he probably never thought for a second any of them would actually keep a $500 gift for themselves when the gift giver made it clear what he was wanting you to do with the money. He didn't say "you must give this money to charity" because he was probably trying to give them a chance to look good to the public. Oops now there is a dilemma.....some of them are actually stupid enough to keep it. Not tims fault.

and lets not get ahead of ourselves, i'm sure some of them will still give to charity. It's early days yet.

but poor housemates my arse.

if it was your stupid arse that Tim opened up for public attacks, without your permission you'd be singing a different tune

 

[Sweet_Geek]

yeah all those poor housemates that big bad tim gave the opportunity to do something nice at christmas. Why the hell would any of them think it's ok to accept such a gift that most of them don't deserve is beyond me. Why anyone is so concerned about the poor poor housemates that have been put in such a terrible public position is beyond me. Why do any of them deserve his money? What are they doing for him? He wants his money to go to charity, if it doesn't then stiff shit to the fools who are greedy enough (and stupid enough) to keep it themselves.

Fool proof plan...meaning only a fool would keep it....meaning charities will win. it should not a humiliating situation for any of them to be in .... do with the money what it was intended. I guess the poor guy didn't realise any of them were so hard up that they would chose to line their own pockets with money meant for charity. If they don't want to take part because it's more important to their pride not to be involved in anything tim does they could easily tweet "it's your money, send it to whatever charity you want in your own name tim". Easy.

why any of you is so butt hurt over how he's put all these poor, struggling housemates in such a terrible situation of public humiliation is an insult. It is their choice to make. Stop crying that he's playing a game and the poor housemates might get a wittle bit embarrassed by the master manipulator. How about they just give the fucking money to charity....simple. Why would any of them keep the money for themselves....how was jas gonna pay her rent before tim offered to give her money to her favourite charity.

Fool proof plan.....only a fool wouldn't give it to charity.....he was trying to do a good thing by the charities not realising some fools favourite charity is themselves.

and lets not get ahead of ourselves, i'm sure some of them will still give to charity. It's early days yet.

but poor housemates my arse.

Nodding and agreeing to all of this.

The intention was for that money to be donated to a charity of the hms choosing. If a hm chose to keep it after viewing Tim's video, well they accepted the challenge of not doing what was expected of that money. It's clear as water that Tim wasn't giving hand outs but yes he was forcibly putting hms in a position to donate. So what? It's his money and his choice of what to do with it. He has no obligation to the hms. None whatsoever!

I don't hold judgements on what the hms want to do with that money, but they knew from that video Tim's game play. He made it public and he made it known what naughty and nice stood for. He made it an easy choice IMO for the hms to use the money the way he wanted them to. Unfortunately, if you didn't than they should have known that it will bite them on the ass. They have to take responsibility of that outcome, not tim.

 

[Jo-bot]

if it was your stupid arse that Tim opened up for public attacks, without your permission you'd be singing a different tune

or they could give the money as it was intended....no public attacks needed.

now shouldn't you be neck deep in the st. vinnies donation box looking for some art to compliment the flat screen tv you just purchased with the gift money someone so generously wanted you to give to charity.

calling someone names when you don't have a valid opinion doesn't mean you win.

 

[rj1]

Tim got this tread moving again. It was dying down a bit. Thanks, Tim

tahny89
37 minutes ago
Making toiletry packs for homeless shelters with stuff you get from hotels!! My work will be continually donating these not just around Christmas but throughout the year as well!! Xx

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

I have the only valid opinion because you are too narrow-minded to look at the whole situation

 

[Jo-bot]

tim should just keep all his money.

how a generous act can backfire because of other peoples INFORMED choices is anyones guess.

 

[TullyLovesDrew]

why does someone that doesn't want to play Tim's game have to play or else suffer public attacks

 

[Jane Doe]

Nodding and agreeing to all of this.

The intention was for that money to be donated to a charity of the hms choosing. If a hm chose to keep it after viewing Tim's video, well they accepted the challenge of not doing what was expected of that money. It's clear as water that Tim wasn't giving hand outs but yes he was forcibly putting hms in a position to donate. So what? It's his money and his choice of what to do with it. He has no obligation to the hms. None whatsoever!

I don't hold judgements on what the hms want to do with that money, but they knew from that video Tim's game play. He made it public and he made it known what naughty and nice stood for. He made it an easy choice IMO for the hms to use the money the way he wanted them to. Unfortunately, if you didn't than they should have known that it will bite them on the ass. They have to take responsibility of that outcome, not tim.

So you're saying Tim is NOT responsible for setting up the game in a way that would make people look bad, that his intentions were pure and generous? You're saying that when someone acts like a manipulative jerk, and you clearly state that Tim set it up this way to force the HMs to choose what he wanted them to do, which is the very definition of manipulation, that it is up to the victims of his manipulation to act in such away so as to not be labeled bad, while the person doing the manipulation is the hero?

The HMs have a choice to not look like jerks, but Tim had the ultimate choice to NOT set up the whole situation as a game to test other people. People running around touting his generosity completely ignore the very choices Tim made to act like a manipulative jerk.

 

[Gemini]

I certainly agree with a lot of what you're saying [MENTION=31931]Jo-bot[/MENTION], and for the record how any of them could actually accept any of that money for themselves when it was obviously intended for charity is beyond me. I guess I'm not in a position to judge any of them taking the money because I've never been that stuck financially where I needed to accept money from someone I didn't even get along with in order to pay my rent like in Jazz's case. However like you already pointed out, Jazz was going to have to somehow pay her rent regardless of whether Tim offered her that money or not. And for the record I also think Tahan is an absolute moron for only donating $100 for the simple fact that by it being posted that she donated $100 it makes it obvious that she was one of the ones that kept the majority of the money (regardless of whether she really is planning on donating more or it or not). I also kinda laugh when Xavier defended Tahan on Twitter saying that none of the people giving her crap would even donate $100 of their own money when Tahan wasn't donating her money she was donating Tim's. She's made a $400 profit not lost $100.

Like others though I just think it would have been better if Tim had have just said that he was going to donate $500 to a charity of each of the HMs, choosing because it wouldn't have even allowed this stuff to happen with Tahan and Jazz (and the others who took it) because they would have been forced to use it the right way. My only issue with Tim here is the video because it does encourage criticism of the "naughty" HMs and I don't feel that was necessary given he could have just automatically said it was going to charity and they would have been bigger winners. Like me though I'm sure Tim never expected any of them to keep the money.