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How would you deal with this bernie if indeed the guy is guilty?
 
I really don't think descending to the level of the killer in punishment is really what justice is. That's vengeance, put simply, and it's not the role of a civilized society to take vengeance on a person. The justice system exists not to take an eye for an eye but to be fair and, well, just in its dealings.

If the charged guy is guilty (and that may be 100% certain or not at all, as far as we know), then let justice take its course, but I'm glad we won't be willy-nilly killing a man, as if that makes things better.
 
Drench said:
I really don't think descending to the level of the killer in punishment is really what justice is. That's vengeance, put simply, and it's not the role of a civilized society to take vengeance on a person. The justice system exists not to take an eye for an eye but to be fair and, well, just in its dealings.

If the charged guy is guilty (and that may be 100% certain or not at all, as far as we know), then let justice take its course, but I'm glad we won't be willy-nilly killing a man, as if that makes things better.
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Speak for yourself but you'll find that the majority will DISAGREE with you in this case!
 
Probably. The justice system is not designed to hold the minority hostage by the will of the majority, though, and I'm thankful for it. The death penalty debate is a bit crap, to boot.
 
My hearts go out to Jill's family and friends and it breaks thinking of Jill, but, I would really like the media to put the Civil Libertarians on the spot right now and ask them why they are against CTV . It always seems they are on the side of the 'not so nice people'. If those images from the shop were not shown police would still be scratching their heads.
 
Drench said:
I really don't think descending to the level of the killer in punishment is really what justice is. That's vengeance, put simply, and it's not the role of a civilized society to take vengeance on a person. The justice system exists not to take an eye for an eye but to be fair and, well, just in its dealings.

If the charged guy is guilty (and that may be 100% certain or not at all, as far as we know), then let justice take its course, but I'm glad we won't be willy-nilly killing a man, as if that makes things better.
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I agree with you.
 
All emphasis mine. Note the name. Note the sentencing. Note the date of the article.

From: http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/02/28/309801_news_pf.html

Thug, 40, jailed for drunken king-hit
Karen Matthews | February 28th, 2012

A 40-YEAR-OLD thug, still on parole, claimed he was too drunk to remember king-hitting a Geelong man, breaking his jaw and rendering him unconcious, a court has heard.

Adrian Bayley, of Burgundy Dve, Wyndhamvale, pleaded guilty in Geelong Magistrates' Court yesterday to a single charge of recklessly causing serious injury.

Police Prosecutor Leading Senior Constable David Vanderpol said that, about 1.24am on August 12, last year, the 20-year-old victim was standing outside a cafe in Little Malop St having something to eat when Bayley approached.

"Bayley started yelling and abusing the victim, then punched him with a closed fist to the face," Sen-Constable Vanderpol said.

"The power of the blow lifted the victim off the ground and knocked him unconcious to the ground, striking his head as he fell."

The prosecutor said Bayley then ran off and the victim was taken to Geelong Hospital with a fractured jaw.

Sen-Constable Vanderpol said the entire incident was captured on CCTV footage and there was also footage which showed Bayley earlier at the Eureka Hotel.

He said police later arrested Bayley who claimed he was too drunk to remember but recalled being involved in some sort of altercation.

Michael Brugman, for Bayley, said his client was distraught that he had harmed someone else.

"He has been losing sleep wondering how or why and trying to remember," Mr Brugman said.

The lawyer said his client had spent most of his life in jail and was currently on parole until March 17, 2013.

"He stopped drinking on Boxing Day, is due to start a new job today and has no priors for violence," Mr Brugman said.

But Magistrate Ron Saines rejected Mr Brugman's claim that his client had no priors for violence.

"I have no alternative but to order an immediate custodial sentence," Mr Saines told Bayley.

"Your past history involves sexual violence and you have been jailed for other serious matters."

Bayley was convicted and sentenced to three months jail.

He was also excluded from entering Geelong's CBD for 12 months.
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For a "happy snap" of the guy, see: http://aussiecriminals.com.au/tag/adrian-ernest-bayley/

How would you go about fighting him off ? Especially if he grabbed you from behind and you weren't all that steady on your feet anyway ?

regarDS
 
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Drench said:
I really don't think descending to the level of the killer in punishment is really what justice is. That's vengeance, put simply, and it's not the role of a civilized society to take vengeance on a person. The justice system exists not to take an eye for an eye but to be fair and, well, just in its dealings.

If the charged guy is guilty (and that may be 100% certain or not at all, as far as we know), then let justice take its course, but I'm glad we won't be willy-nilly killing a man, as if that makes things better.
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I am not a killer yet somehow believe I would have no problem flicking a switch on someone who raped and murdered. Having said that I would also have not problem putting this type of person on death row letting them think at any time they could be taken to the chamber and giving them the chance to plead for their life. Let them know what a little bit of their victim went through because obviously they have had no sympathy for them at the time of the crime
 
Mud Cake said:
And this is why we need capital punishment...... If someone is guilty beyond any doubt they get a needle.
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Unfortunately you can't have a legal system that works on different levels of guilty.



I'm against the death penalty of intellectual, practical and moral reasons. I can understand in cases like this and others where it seems appropriate. However you just can't go down that path. You'll never have a legal system that gets everything right and so some things just can't be considered as options.
 
Drench said:
I really don't think descending to the level of the killer in punishment is really what justice is. That's vengeance, put simply, and it's not the role of a civilized society to take vengeance on a person. The justice system exists not to take an eye for an eye but to be fair and, well, just in its dealings.

If the charged guy is guilty (and that may be 100% certain or not at all, as far as we know), then let justice take its course, but I'm glad we won't be willy-nilly killing a man, as if that makes things better.
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Totally agree.
 
Check out this guys arms!!
I'm amazed that his name and photo are being circulated.
Hope he doesn't get off due to the media coverage.

I wonder if there were any more shallow graves in the area.
 
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There is speculation that he may not have acted alone, neighbours of this trashbag said there wer 3 or 4 cars at his property if you read some of the melbourne papers
 
Taylia said:
My hearts go out to Jill's family and friends and it breaks thinking of Jill, but, I would really like the media to put the Civil Libertarians on the spot right now and ask them why they are against CTV . It always seems they are on the side of the 'not so nice people'. If those images from the shop were not shown police would still be scratching their heads.
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Not agreeing with Capital Punishment does not mean you are a Civil Libertarian nor does it mean you are on the side of the "not so nice people".
 
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