David Appreciation Thread

[AM_092]

when did I say illeterate? or stupid? I clearly said ARTICULATE

I'll quote you word by word: "ahhh a g.i.f. :the goto reply of to someone that cant spell enough to articulate a thought"

"SOMEONE THAT CAN'T SPELL..."

Definition of illiterate: "unable to read or write"

I added the 'stupid.' Weren't you inferring that I'm stupid? Sure, has that connotation...

 

[somebimbo]

cant spell is different to articulating. but meh, one of us had derailled this thread

 

[Veronica2005]

snippet from BB article..Lisa and Davids friends comment

So were David’s unkind remarks to the men of the House simply a case of desperate conformity? David’s good friend on the outside world, (ironically also named) Lisa shed some light on his odd actions.
“Does Dave call a spade a spade? Yes he does,” she said. “I don’t think he would have initiated a conversation like that [with the boys]; I think he is trying to participate. From what I can see, I don’t think he has a particular ally yet so maybe that is him trying to fit in.”

Lisa’s close friend Rodney also confirms Lisa’s male friends are a world away from what she’s up against when it comes to David.
“Lisa might look like a girly girl but she’s definitely a boys’ girl. Having said that, she does get along with females as much as men,” he said.
“In her normal life, she definitely has some strong men around her who love her on the inside as much as the out. She is gorgeous.”

http://www.jump-in.com.au/show/bigbrother/2014/latest/day-8/lisa-shuts-down-david/

 

[AM_092]

cant spell is different to articulating. but meh, one of us had derailled this thread

I'll quote you word by word: "ahhh a g.i.f. :the goto reply of to someone that cant spell enough to articulate a thought"

"SOMEONE THAT CAN'T SPELL..."

Definition of illiterate: "unable to read or write"

I added the 'stupid.' Weren't you inferring that I'm stupid? Sure, has that connotation...

 

[somebimbo]

but back to david's treatment.. yeah he got hard done by cause of a whiny woman that's in the sex industry and now complains about objectification. wrong on how many counts?

 

[somebimbo]

cant spell does not mean illeiterate. stop looking for some new shit to whine about

 

[bbfan87]

Do you think men and women are equally scrutinised with their appearance? With their appearance alone?

Overall I think females are scruitinsed with their looks more often than males simply because females tend to scrutinise other females openly and can be very bitchy towards each other. Males don't seem to attack their own sex as much, so you have both females and males scrutinising females but only females scrutinising males. Does that answer your question hehe?

 

[somebimbo]

I meant that you couldn't articulate your thoughts well enough and had to use gifs . so you went to pictures.

 

[somebimbo]

women are def the harshest critics of women. look at kkk butt pics[DOUBLEPOST=1410792812][/DOUBLEPOST]the 'does my butt look big in this' is so more confusing to guys

 

[Sweetgeek]

snippet from BB article..Lisa and Davids friends comment

“Does Dave call a spade a spade? Yes he does,” she said. “I don’t think he would have initiated a conversation like that [with the boys]; I think he is trying to participate. From what I can see, I don’t think he has a particular ally yet so maybe that is him trying to fit in.”

This is the only part I will talk about. David has expressed feeling left out and doesn't seem to be in sync with a group let alone a person in the house as of yet. I really did hear his struggle with this when speaking to Sam and appreciated Sam trying to make him feel comfortable and listening to him. It's a shame that this has happened so early on for him and that the publics first view of David is being tainted with this kind of introduction

 

[AM_092]

Overall I think females are scruitinsed with their looks more often than males simply because females tend to scrutinise other females openly and can be very bitchy towards each other. Males don't seem to attack their own sex as much, so you have both females and males scrutinising females but only females scrutinising males. Does that answer your question hehe?

women are def the harshest critics of women. look at kkk butt pics[DOUBLEPOST=1410792812][/DOUBLEPOST]the 'does my butt look big in this' is so more confusing to guys

Sure, maybe women do scrutinise other women more openly, but I think we should be critical and ask ourselves why we think that is the case. Perhaps oppression by patriarchy and the history of women as possession and social currency, has created a competitive culture between women to seek validation and self-worth from other people. The expectations of women to be beautiful and judgements of their self-worth solely based on appearance is something that is so ingrained. But it's not fair to ask women to snap out of it and stop judging themselves and others, when the systemic pressures of society is a lot more oppressive to their gender. They are already limited by the amount of money they make compared to men, the abuse and violence experienced by women all over the world and lack of opportunities to grant themselves a better life. As a gender, women can't wake up tomorrow and change how women are treated, judged and disadvantaged. Promoting gender equality and lessening the disparity between men and women should be the responsibility of everyone. So it's very harsh and problematic to say women are at fault when it comes to their own objectification and the sexism that they are subjected to every single day.

 

[bbfan87]

Generally speaking, I agree with some of what you said in the above post, but in this case we are talking about Lisa!!!! A manager at a Strip Club, I dont think she has any problem with how women are treated, judged or vilified in her usual every day life.

 

[Tahan]

I'm on board the David appreciation.

 

[AM_092]

Generally speaking, I agree with some of what you said in the above post, but in this case we are talking about Lisa!!!! A manager at a Strip Club, I dont think she has any problem with how women are treated, judged or vilified in her usual every day life.

Sure, maybe I'm giving Lisa too much credit against a much greater issue (sexism.) She might not be the best at communicating the ideas that help understand why women shouldn't be treated the way that they are. But I think working in a strip club isn't an issue. Some people really need to work and get money to support themselves and/or their family. It's a bigger societal problem that women must resort to these jobs that so many people find degrading. I don't know how to tackle this part of the issue in particular. I hope women can work in those environments safely and positively. Men can enjoy themselves in strip clubs without assaulting the girls.

 

[Tahan]

Sure, maybe I'm giving Lisa too much credit against a much greater issue (sexism.) She might not be the best at communicating the ideas that help understand why women shouldn't be treated the way that they are. But I think working in a strip club isn't an issue. Some people really need to work and get money to support themselves and/or their family. It's a bigger societal problem that women must resort to these jobs that so many people find degrading. I don't know how to tackle this part of the issue in particular. I hope women can work in those environments safely and positively. Men can enjoy themselves in strip clubs without assaulting the girls.

How is assaulting strippers and talking about a woman's physique the same?

 

[MelKen]

Interesting discussions all.
First of all all these ppl that think David didn't say sorry - why should he apologise for something he believes? He shouldn't have to be sorry for the comment he made if he stands by it. He did apologise for how it affected Lisa and that I feel is good enough.
The fact Lisa refuses to accept it and then bitches about David to other housemates says a lot about her.
Secondly if Lisa had an issue with what David said then she should have gone to him. It was not up to David to approach Lisa but he manned up and did that and I think that shows a lot about the type of person David is.
David is normally the life and soul of the party and as his sister it has been very hard to see him feeling so left out.
David would never have instigated a conversation about woman's bodies and I don't believe for one second he made those comments to try to fit in and get in the "in group" like Lisa indicated.
My last point - if the tables had been turned and the girls had caught the boys eavesdropping on them dear god world war 3 would have kicked off! I applaud cat for stating to David that the girls were in the wrong for listening but then I expect someone in their 30s to have more common sense than the young 20 something's.

 

[wejoy]

Well @wejoy, I haven't looked at any of Camerashy1's posts but if they were articulate, well thought out and spelt correctly it wouldn't have been David. hahaha. Sorry - sisterly dig there! I definitely can't confirm it was him but he's not a big social media/blogger kinda person so I'd say no.

Thank you , I hope your brother makes you proud

I swear to you that never once in my life have I sat with a group of guys to judge our female friends and other females, or sat with a group of women to judge our male friends and other males.

I have, you should try it. You don't know what your missing out on nothing like a session with the girls discussing blokes bits

 

[wejoy]

Interesting discussions all.
First of all all these ppl that think David didn't say sorry - why should he apologise for something he believes? He shouldn't have to be sorry for the comment he made if he stands by it. He did apologise for how it affected Lisa and that I feel is good enough.
The fact Lisa refuses to accept it and then bitches about David to other housemates says a lot about her.
Secondly if Lisa had an issue with what David said then she should have gone to him. It was not up to David to approach Lisa but he manned up and did that and I think that shows a lot about the type of person David is.
David is normally the life and soul of the party and as his sister it has been very hard to see him feeling so left out.
David would never have instigated a conversation about woman's bodies and I don't believe for one second he made those comments to try to fit in and get in the "in group" like Lisa indicated.
My last point - if the tables had been turned and the girls had caught the boys eavesdropping on them dear god world war 3 would have kicked off! I applaud cat for stating to David that the girls were in the wrong for listening but then I expect someone in their 30s to have more common sense than the young 20 something's.

I agree if the girls had done the talking, and the guys were eavesdropping, the girls would have been screaming

 

[Michka26]

David watches way too much porn if he thinks Lisa's boobs 'hang low' she's got great tits! He looks like the sort that would watch porn religiously and compare very woman he sleeps with with a porn film​

 

[seneca]

I think what David said, complimenting Lisa to to face when they were by the pool, and then bagging her behind her back when he was with the guys was pretty weak, and he owed her a better apology than the one he gave.

Two reasons: Firstly it is the right thing to do. Secondly because if he wants to stay in the game he needs to keep people onside. He needs to sharpen his diplomacy skills.

His apology did not come across as sincere and actually made the situation worse. Calling Lisa over to him as he did, combined with his body language (arms spread-out behind his head, communicates "I am smarter than you"), implied his own superior status. This would have aggravated Lisa even more. Moreover he didn't really apologize for what he said, but rather the way she felt, which suggested that it was her problem alone.

Rather I think he should have gone to her, offered a sincere apology, and accepted full responsibility. He should taken the words back and said he did not mean it at all, and been honest that he was just trying to bond with the guys, and that it was just a case of foot in mouth. That followed by a little self-deprecating humour might have fixed any ill feeling.

Instead David chose to console himself with having the boys on his side. But at the end of the day he's not really one of the boys. They only just begrudgingly accept him. Plus now he has made a real enemy in Lisa, and will have lost the respect of most of the girls.
David needs to lift his game quick smart or he will be one of the first to go.