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I mean, to dismiss Parvati's game in Micronesia as "she flirted her way to the million" is really reductive. It doesn't help that Probst pushes her relentlessly as the femme fatale, but she's also extremely likable and charming. Everyone wants to be friends with her, everyone naturally trusts her, and everyone's willing to go along with her plans even though they mainly benefit Parvati herself. She had a very strong strategic game and a very strong social game, and to sum it all up as "omg her tits hypnotized all the dudes!" (which Probst absolutely does believe) is pretty misogynistic, not to mention the fact that it doesn't consider the intricacy of her game.
 
Flirting has nothing to do with tits.

Parvati flirted her way outrageously through her first season, and then came back and used that skill, among others, and won. That's my memory. Pretty well every season someone has used some lame-arse flirting to try and win some advantage with some dopey guy/group of guys.

I don't have a memory for names, or blow-by-blows of every season I've watched that would allow me to argue rigorously with you, nor do I have any desire for that kind of interchange.
 
Too bad Joe had to go. I'd like to see Wentworth go soon. They'd be silly to keep her around when she's building up a good "I was the underdog and now I've made it to the final" resume.

Parvati flirts but she is also very smart. Don't forget that girls like her too, that's how she won Micronesia - many of her jury votes were from her women's alliance. She did great in Heroes and Villains too despite not winning. If we want to talk about contestants that only flirt and use their attractiveness and not much else, then we're talking more like Sydney from Tocantins, and that didn't get her too far.
 
Not talking about flirting, per se. I flirt with horses, old men, babies; it isn't necessarily sexual. The comment that began this ball rolling was:

"One thing I like about this season is that the girls are not trying to flirt their way along to the end."

I would heartily agree with that.

But I would not agree that flirting is never a part of Survivor tactics, whether successful or unsuccessful.
 
It just seems like kind of a silly sentiment to me. I don't think that girls flirting makes a season bad, but that's neither here nor there. This season doesn't have any girls trying to flirt their way to the end, but Worlds Apart didn't either. And San Juan del Sur didn't. And Cagayan didn't. And Blood vs. Water didn't. I just don't see how that statement applies specifically to this season. It'd be like saying "one thing I like about this season is that there was a tribe swap."
 
I think that whenever males and females are put together there's bound to be some flirting going on. It's not a bad thing if someone can play that sort of social game but it does have risks. Firstly you run the risk of alienating others who see it happening and secondly it might become a distraction to your game if it goes too far.

I liked Joe, but felt he was never going to win unless he won immunity every week. So in a way even though I was sad to see him go it was kind of a relief because it had felt so inevitable to me and now we can get on with things. I'm just glad Fishbach wasn't the one who was instrumental in it.

If someone prefers a contestant over another that's their right, there seems to be a little talking down if someone doesn't agree. I wish that would stop. My favourite is Spencer, I worry for him now girls have the majority though as I don't trust Tasha at all.
 
troynuncdicit said:
It just seems like kind of a silly sentiment to me. I don't think that girls flirting makes a season bad, but that's neither here nor there. This season doesn't have any girls trying to flirt their way to the end, but Worlds Apart didn't either. And San Juan del Sur didn't. And Cagayan didn't. And Blood vs. Water didn't. I just don't see how that statement applies specifically to this season. It'd be like saying "one thing I like about this season is that there was a tribe swap."
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One easy memory I have, though I can't recall names of seasons - Jon's blonde girlfriend tried to flirt with one of the twins, Drew or whichever it was, after Jon was blindsided. It was overtly sexual flirting, designed to manipulate and she said as much. It was very uncomfortable to watch.

I would go mad if I dragged my brain back through every season I watched to bring up pair couples who slept together to keep each other warm, or women or men who used flirtation to sway allegiances, or just the endless shots of eg Julie Berrie's bare bum cheeks as she lay sunbaking, etc etc.

One of the joys of this season for me is it isn't designed largely for 'eye candy', with swathes of young women who look good in bikinis and hordes of virile young men, and one or two token oldies. It is a season of players, of varying ages and shapes, and most of the cast has no desire to hook up, or find someone to snuggle next to, as they have better strategies up their sleeves and partners they care about back home.
 
Parvati is just about the only player in Survivor history to cold read a lie as it was being told, follow through accordingly and be mentally giggling as it unfolded. Survivor legend.

Now Alexis was a flirty ditz without a Plan B.
 
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Parvati was brilliant, legitimately one of the best players ever, strategically and socially. So much more to her total gameplay than just "flirting".
 
For our brothers and sisters who are not entirely sure what the word 'flirting' implies, The Agony of Flirting is being repeated on Tuesday December 8 at 9.55 pm on the ABC. :)
 
Parvati owning everyone, including evil Russell. Here she is absolutely dumfounding returned, seasoned and former winning players and setting Survivor history.
 
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Melore said:
One easy memory I have, though I can't recall names of seasons - Jon's blonde girlfriend tried to flirt with one of the twins, Drew or whichever it was, after Jon was blindsided. It was overtly sexual flirting, designed to manipulate and she said as much. It was very uncomfortable to watch.

I would go mad if I dragged my brain back through every season I watched to bring up pair couples who slept together to keep each other warm, or women or men who used flirtation to sway allegiances, or just the endless shots of eg Julie Berrie's bare bum cheeks as she lay sunbaking, etc etc.

One of the joys of this season for me is it isn't designed largely for 'eye candy', with swathes of young women who look good in bikinis and hordes of virile young men, and one or two token oldies. It is a season of players, of varying ages and shapes, and most of the cast has no desire to hook up, or find someone to snuggle next to, as they have better strategies up their sleeves and partners they care about back home.
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Her name is Jaclyn, both Alec and Drew were taken out before Jon was. The closest thing I can think of was when Drew and Jaclyn were both sent to Exile Island, and Drew hyped himself up as a ladies man while Jaclyn just kinda did her own thing. In fact, a huge part of Jaclyn's story was how she specifically sided against Josh, Reed, Alec, etc. because she didn't feel like they valued her as a woman. She didn't really fuck around with the other guys like that.

Regardless, flirting is a legitimate strategy and it can be successful if used correctly, just like other people have said already. If you really have a problem with girls trying to flirt their way to the end or with the endless shots of Julie's ass cheeks, it kinda sounds like a broader problem you have with women tbh.
 
troynuncdicit said:
Regardless, flirting is a legitimate strategy and it can be successful if used correctly, just like other people have said already. If you really have a problem with girls trying to flirt their way to the end or with the endless shots of Julie's ass cheeks, it kinda sounds like a broader problem you have with women tbh.
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Oh, flirting is now a legitimate strategy? Really. On page 10 it did not exist in the game. Then it somehow involved "omg her tits hypnotized all the dudes!"

I don't have a problem with women. I am a woman, love.

Maybe find someone else to argue aggressively with, I am done trying to explain myself in a reasonable manner. Whirlpool Survivor thread would suit you very well, I think.
 
I said that it didn't happen regularly, not that it didn't exist. And her tits hypnotizing all the dudes is 1) a figure of speech, if anything, and 2) representative of Probst's view if anything, considering he threw "beauty" into the mix with brains and brawn in Cagayan all because of some girl who tricked him into giving her his Halloween candy when he was 13 or something. Just to clear those things up.

And if you really think that me disagreeing with you is aggressive arguing, yeesh. That speaks for itself.
 
Melore said:
Oh, flirting is now a legitimate strategy? Really. On page 10 it did not exist in the game. Then it somehow involved "omg her tits hypnotized all the dudes!"

I don't have a problem with women.
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Yep. Here understand what I'm reading, and same reason I like this season so much. Don't really want Wentworth to win, but would respect it if it happened.
 
Apparently 9Go! are showing the final next week at midday, and then repeating it at 7.30pm. Read that on TV tonight Lounge page.

If Spencer or Keith are still in it after tomorrow night, I will watch it twice!
 
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