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Skye calls herself the winner of Bigbrother 2014.

Will Skye win?

  • 100%

    Votes: 19 8.1%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 65 27.7%

  • No way!

    Votes: 129 54.9%

  • Cant tell yet...

    Votes: 22 9.4%
  • Total voters
    235
Paddy Lock said:
Did you miss the opening phrase? "I detest Skye not because she's immature.." I gave you my reasons, and if you disagree then I'm all ears if you want to refute them. Her personality traits get on my nerves - I don't like people who get on my nerves - you may put up with them by thinking "so what", but I don't. There's also no such thing as an objective truth in regard to someone's perception of an individual - clearly the nature of that perception is subjective. Everyone's opinion on any HM is subjective - it's based on what we are shown and what we perceive of that vision - and you can't possibly deny that what we've seen of Skye illustrates all the poor personality traits that make me detest her. You may choose to ignore them and I wish I could but feel free to give me some examples of these "genuine caring and entertaining" traits she has.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to get at then. If you readily admit that people respond to other individuals differently because of our own personal biases and preferences than I'm not exactly sure you are trying to accomplish by arguing that Skye is a 'bad' housemate according to YOUR OWN PERSONAL dislikes in an individual that I and many other posters don't share.

I don't think anything that I've heard or seen Skye do is a deal breaker but you do, whatever. *shrugs*
 
Tuttle said:
Just like Jamie winning. Pretty much the same attitude.
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Oh, no no no no no..... THAT is TOO far!!!

Besides, in that season, there were other more entertaining HM's.... Tell me who they are this season and give me 56 reason for each one!! Ha...
 
As much as Skye may come across as overly confident (or even cocky) at times, I do think a lot of it is just putting the positive vibes out there (a-la: 'if we build it, they will come'). If you watch her video from Lockdown, this way of thinking has been there all along.

There is a fine line - and yeah she has crossed it at times (ie 'I'm Australia's favourite') - but perhaps the recent scare with Richard's eviction (and her being last saved) will end up to be a good thing for her. I guess only time will tell...
 
Oswin said:
As much as Skye may come across as overly confident (or even cocky) at times, I do think a lot of it is just putting the positive vibes out there (a-la: 'if we build it, they will come'). If you watch her video from Lockdown, this way of thinking has been there all along.

There is a fine line - and yeah she has crossed it at times (ie 'I'm Australia's favourite') - but perhaps the recent scare with Richard's eviction (and her being last saved) will end up to be a good thing for her. I guess only time will tell...
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No. She's just a cocky, everything handed to her on a plate, why don't you understand that, kind of person.
 
Tuttle said:
No. She's just a cocky, everything handed to her on a plate, why don't you understand that, kind of person.
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my biggest gripe is when people talk like they know her. im not a fan of skye but people give the STUPIDEST reasons for wanting her gone or disliking her that it makes me think they're simply jealous of her bubbly personality or looks.

"everything handed to her on a plate" except we haven't once seen an instance of someone doing anything for her.
 
YoungTune said:
my biggest gripe is when people talk like they know her. im not a fan of skye but people give the STUPIDEST reasons for wanting her gone or disliking her that it makes me think they're simply jealous of her bubbly personality or looks.

"everything handed to her on a plate" except we haven't once seen an instance of someone doing anything for her.
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It's in her edits, the way she does things/interacts with others. I don't find her bubbly. I find her entitled because that's what I've seen on the show.
 
Tuttle said:
It's in her edits, the way she does things/interacts with others. I don't find her bubbly. I find her entitled because that's what I've seen on the show.
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well i agree in the sense that she looks pissed off whenever she isn't called out to be saved but let's be honest - everyone would be pissed off not to be saved.

on the flip i've seen her comfort people when they are down (David when no one would talk to him a few weeks back, Aisha after Sam was slapping the fuck outta her, even Gemma after she said she was 'deep as a paddling pool') so I think she isn't as bad as y'all make her out to be
 
YoungTune said:
well i agree in the sense that she looks pissed off whenever she isn't called out to be saved but let's be honest - everyone would be pissed off not to be saved.

on the flip i've seen her comfort people when they are down (David when no one would talk to him a few weeks back, Aisha after Sam was slapping the fuck outta her, even Gemma after she said she was 'deep as a paddling pool') so I think she isn't as bad as y'all make her out to be
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Just because she comforts people doesn't mean she's not shallow and entitled. It's all about the bottom line.

And, I have family members like her. All rosy when it goes their way, knives come out when it doesn't.
 
Connoisseur said:
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at then. If you readily admit that people respond to other individuals differently because of our own personal biases and preferences than I'm not exactly sure you are trying to accomplish by arguing that Skye is a 'bad' housemate according to YOUR OWN PERSONAL dislikes in an individual that I and many other posters don't share.

I don't think anything that I've heard or seen Skye do is a deal breaker but you do, whatever. *shrugs*
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Connoisseur said:
There have been far worse contemptible housemates who have been truly worthy of scorn, Ben '12 comes to mind, but I think it's utterly ridiculous to include Skye in that discussion.

I get that she's immature and that can get on some people's nerves but so what? Millions of other girls around the same age are far worse in that regard but at least to me Skye has some genuine caring and entertaining personality traits that I find endearing. You don't share that view and that's okay just as long as you don't mistake your own perception of Skye as an objective truth.
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Readily admit? I was merely pointing out that you seem to think I might mistake my perception as an objective truth which implies that I've said somewhere along the way that my perception is the only possible way everyone should interpret her behaviour. Only an idiot would think that. All perception is subjective. I've never said she is a "bad" HM - whatever you mean by that - I've given you my opinion of her behaviour and the things I see her doing that annoy me intensely. That's what these forums are for aren't they? If a friend watching BB with you offered you a similar opinion of skye would you say, "That's okay but don't go thinking your opinion is the objective truth." I would hope not and that you're more likely to ask why. I've asked you for reasons behind your perception but all you've given me is "I don't think anything that I've heard or seen Skye do is a deal breaker but you do, whatever. *shrugs*". Don't know what sort of deal you're talking about or why you'd bother carrying on about my opinion when in the end all you can give is "whatever" and a shrug. Should've done that when you first read my post.
 
YoungTune said:
my biggest gripe is when people talk like they know her. im not a fan of skye but people give the STUPIDEST reasons for wanting her gone or disliking her that it makes me think they're simply jealous of her bubbly personality or looks.

"everything handed to her on a plate" except we haven't once seen an instance of someone doing anything for her.
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I know her and she's utterly detestable. The negative opinions about her on here are mostly bang on.
 
Paddy Lock said:
Readily admit? I was merely pointing out that you seem to think I might mistake my perception as an objective truth which implies that I've said somewhere along the way that my perception is the only possible way everyone should interpret her behaviour. Only an idiot would think that. All perception is subjective. I've never said she is a "bad" HM - whatever you mean by that - I've given you my opinion of her behaviour and the things I see her doing that annoy me intensely. That's what these forums are for aren't they? If a friend watching BB with you offered you a similar opinion of skye would you say, "That's okay but don't go thinking your opinion is the objective truth." I would hope not and that you're more likely to ask why. I've asked you for reasons behind your perception but all you've given me is "I don't think anything that I've heard or seen Skye do is a deal breaker but you do, whatever. *shrugs*". Don't know what sort of deal you're talking about or why you'd bother carrying on about my opinion when in the end all you can give is "whatever" and a shrug. Should've done that when you first read my post.
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I was merely pointing out that you seem to think
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I detest Skye not because she's immature but because she's utterly self-centred, takes any observation about her as "mean" or "cruel" yet is quite happy to dish it out, and her only basis for judging people is whether or not they like her. She has the observational skills of a koala. She pouts, is incapable of taking the blame or accepting when she f**ks up, and turns harmless comments into prime time drama. On top of all that, and even despite it, she's arrogant beyond belief - "I can't believe the winner of BB 2014 is sitting in this chair." I've never wanted to see someone evicted from any series of BB more than her.
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I guess the gist of the point I was trying to make is that the many of the character ‘flaws’ you’ve attributed to Skye are terribly petty/trivial to be ‘detesting’ anyone in your immediate social circle let alone someone on a reality tv show who you aren’t likely to come into contact on a regular basis. Personally I think it reflects a lot worse on those who hold these spiteful sentiments than Skye for the ‘bad behaviour’ she’s supposedly guilty of.

Some of the other things you accuse her of (which I won’t bother to go into detail, it’s a waste of time) are also OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, THEY ARE NOT AS CLEAR CUT as you make it out to be. Their supposed "severity/gravity" is highly debatable which is what I was trying to get at when I pointed out your bias/subjective take on Skye’s behaviour.

i.e.
  • takes any observation about her as "mean" or "cruel" yet is quite happy to dish it out
  • is incapable of taking the blame or accepting when she f**ks up
  • and turns harmless comments into prime time drama
  • she's arrogant beyond belief
  • etc..


For example some view giving to charity as a kind hearted self-less gesture whereas other people may see it as a form of show boating, a need to aggrandise themselves in front of others or a way to scratch and appease a feeling of guilt etc…

Who’s take on the actions of others is affected by our own core values and principles and there’s no way of telling for certain whose perception of an individual’s actions is closer to the truth.
 
Connoisseur said:
I guess the gist of the point I was trying to make is that the many of the character ‘flaws’ you’ve attributed to Skye are terribly petty/trivial to be ‘detesting’ anyone in your immediate social circle let alone someone on a reality tv show who you aren’t likely to come into contact on a regular basis. Personally I think it reflects a lot worse on those who hold these spiteful sentiments than Skye for the ‘bad behaviour’ she’s supposedly guilty of.

Some of the other things you accuse her of (which I won’t bother to go into detail, it’s a waste of time) are also OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, THEY ARE NOT AS CLEAR CUT as you make it out to be. Their supposed "severity/gravity" is highly debatable which is what I was trying to get at when I pointed out your bias/subjective take on Skye’s behaviour.

i.e.
  • takes any observation about her as "mean" or "cruel" yet is quite happy to dish it out
  • is incapable of taking the blame or accepting when she f**ks up
  • and turns harmless comments into prime time drama
  • she's arrogant beyond belief
  • etc..


For example some view giving to charity as a kind hearted self-less gesture whereas other people may see it as a form of show boating, a need to aggrandise themselves in front of others or a way to scratch and appease a feeling of guilt etc…

Who’s take on the actions of others is affected by our own core values and principles and there’s no way of telling for certain whose perception of an individual’s actions is closer to the truth.
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You just don't get it - you're still obsessing on my interpretation and how you see what I consider major flaws as trivial. I don't have people in my social circle who act like skye. I wouldn't put up with it if I did.
If I had the time to learn how to edit together all the footage from BB that I consider clear evidence of the dot points above then I would but somehow I think you'd just end up replying with a "so what, she's young - plenty of young people are like that..."

Everyone's perception is their own truth yet you choose to judge mine instead of offering your perception of her behaviours that you interpret as positive. I'm all ears.
 
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