Jade 2013 Appreciation thread

[Chump]

Yeah. He showed interest and she did too and then he backed off and it's now pretty clear from things that have happened he isn't interested. I don't think he actually did anything that bad and that's why he's not really coping any flack for it.

And I can say if things were reversed and Jade had shown interest and then backed off I would think it was OK too. But if Ed was coming onto Jade and keeping some other girl in the wings then he would be the one getting the most flack. I could be wrong but I think that the issue is in what these guys have and haven't done versus whether it is a guy or a girl doing it.

 

[Jo-bot]

jade is not interested in drew yet she drapes herself over him and has continued flirting etc. Ed is not interested in jade and he does not drape himself over her and be really affectionate. He said "not interested" and his actions have been consistent with that. He has not had a free pass, he didn't do anything wrong.

 

[kitty1]

i have no problem with the excuses everyone is making for jade's behaviour, but why isn't ed given the same consideration. He wasn't deliberately being mean...in fact he was trying very hard not to hurt her feelings and has only said nice things about her and how he enjoyed their chat etc...so why isn't he allowed to be confused or decide not to move forward with things if that is how he feels...if he was being a dog about it it would be different. He changed his mind just like everyone else does and can. Jade seems sweet and i can understand her support, but it doesn't mean ed is horrible for not being into her.

I can see that he has changed his mind, and I completely agree that it probably had to do with the fact that she was too full on and he can very much change his mind at any point in time. I just thought that in comparison to Ed, Jade has been more clear about her feelings. She told Ed openly that she enjoys flirting and Drew knows this too. She told Drew that she sees him as a friend, multiple times, and Drew is aware of this. However, Jade is completely baffled by Ed and that conversation that he had with her that night about not wanting to share a bed was super confusing. Not only to her, but viewers as well. And then since then he hasn't really resolved the issue, Ed lets Jade lie around him etc. all while telling Heidi that he doesn't mind it but yet is not interested in her which in my view is not really nice because it makes her look bad and i'm sure if he just went up to her and said that he's not interested in her in that way she'd back off. And he hasn't said it outright to her. I think his actions are more inconsistent.

 

[Sorceress]

I can see that he has changed his mind, and I completely agree that it probably had to do with the fact that she was too full on and he can very much change his mind at any point in time. I just thought that in comparison to Ed, Jade has been more clear about her feelings. She told Ed openly that she enjoys flirting and Drew knows this too. She told Drew that she sees him as a friend, multiple times, and Drew is aware of this. However, Jade is completely baffled by Ed and that conversation that he had with her that night about not wanting to share a bed was super confusing. Not only to her, but viewers as well. And then since then he hasn't really resolved the issue, Ed lets Jade lie around him etc. all while telling Heidi that he doesn't mind it but yet is not interested in her which in my view is not really nice because it makes her look bad and i'm sure if he just went up to her and said that he's not interested in her in that way she'd back off. And he hasn't said it outright to her. I think his actions are more inconsistent.

Exactly.

 

[Jo-bot]

That's true, Ed has tried to be nice about it. They are both great people and so is Drew. I think the show itself is the basis of all this finger pointing....they all deserve a break.

thanks rachael, that's really the point i was trying to make...one person isn't all good and no one is all bad, they are all just trying to navigate through things the best they can. It's fun to dig at some of their behaviour but i just don't think ed did anything wrong, he dealt with the situation with kindness i thought.

 

[Chump]

thanks rachael, that's really the point i was trying to make...one person isn't all good and no one is all bad, they are all just trying to navigate through things the best they can. It's fun to dig at some of their behaviour but i just don't think ed did anything wrong, he dealt with the situation with kindness i thought.

Yeah I'm of a similar mind. I don't think Ed can be blamed because Jade keeps trying on something when he is not doing anything to reciprocate it.

 

[Sorceress]

thanks rachael, that's really the point i was trying to make...one person isn't all good and no one is all bad, they are all just trying to navigate through things the best they can. It's fun to dig at some of their behaviour but i just don't think ed did anything wrong, he dealt with the situation with kindness i thought.

Yeah I'm of a similar mind. I don't think Ed can be blamed because Jade keeps trying on something when he is not doing anything to reciprocate it.

Can you find me a quote where he's directly gone to Jade ' I don't find you attractive that way'.

 

[kitty1]

Can you find me a quote where he's directly gone to Jade ' I don't find you attractive that way'.

LOL now that's a challenge

 

[Chump]

I can see that he has changed his mind, and I completely agree that it probably had to do with the fact that she was too full on and he can very much change his mind at any point in time. I just thought that in comparison to Ed, Jade has been more clear about her feelings. She told Ed openly that she enjoys flirting and Drew knows this too. She told Drew that she sees him as a friend, multiple times, and Drew is aware of this. However, Jade is completely baffled by Ed and that conversation that he had with her that night about not wanting to share a bed was super confusing. Not only to her, but viewers as well. And then since then he hasn't really resolved the issue, Ed lets Jade lie around him etc. all while telling Heidi that he doesn't mind it but yet is not interested in her which in my view is not really nice because it makes her look bad and i'm sure if he just went up to her and said that he's not interested in her in that way she'd back off. And he hasn't said it outright to her. I think his actions are more inconsistent.

You really think viewers are confused by how he feels? As I viewer I feel it was pretty obvious this was someone who tried to let someone down nicely. I would say we have all at some point in time played both roles in that conversation and as we get older we learn to be more direct. He could have also been aware that Australia is watching and so think it would be nicer to not have an overt dumping occur.

I do agree that an even kinder thing would be to stop her embarrassing herself and there are ways he could stop her lying on him without actively saying 'get off me' e.g. he could say 'can you sit up that's uncomfortable' or something (bad example but you get the idea). However she also knows the score by now and if she wants to keep trying that's on her.

 

[Chump]

Can you find me a quote where he's directly gone to Jade ' I don't find you attractive that way'.

What about when she is lying on him and SHE says to him I know you're not interested? He killed the sleeping together idea that alone is enough of a signal. What guy who has any interest in you then chooses not to share a bed (when everyone is sharing beds already).

 

[Jo-bot]

I can see that he has changed his mind, and I completely agree that it probably had to do with the fact that she was too full on and he can very much change his mind at any point in time. I just thought that in comparison to Ed, Jade has been more clear about her feelings. She told Ed openly that she enjoys flirting and Drew knows this too. She told Drew that she sees him as a friend, multiple times, and Drew is aware of this. However, Jade is completely baffled by Ed and that conversation that he had with her that night about not wanting to share a bed was super confusing. Not only to her, but viewers as well. And then since then he hasn't really resolved the issue, Ed lets Jade lie around him etc. all while telling Heidi that he doesn't mind it but yet is not interested in her which in my view is not really nice because it makes her look bad and i'm sure if he just went up to her and said that he's not interested in her in that way she'd back off. And he hasn't said it outright to her. I think his actions are more incons

yeah, i agree with some of what you say but i don't think he should have to tell her to go away since he has already told her he doesn't want anything more. I think his behaviour has been consistent with what he said and she isn't ready to give up yet. She seems to be wondering why she was nominated, she can't understand what she's done, i think maybe that's her issue with ed as well.

i like her more after last nights show. Although there have been some cringe moments with her trying to get attention from ed, last night with tully bitching about her and behaving like someone trying to spray their territory i though jades quiet demeanor in the face of hurricane tully was dignified.

 

[Sorceress]

What about when she is lying on him and SHE says to him I know you're not interested? He killed the sleeping together idea that alone is enough of a signal. What guy who has any interest in you then chooses not to share a bed (when everyone is sharing beds already).

No that's passing blame to Jade which isn't fair, the fact that he lets her lie on him is still validation.
I know it's crazy but she's not used to rejection so she thinks she can change his mind, that's what I'm seeing anyway.

 

[Chump]

I should add I actually quite like Jade. I more like her than not like her.

I just don't think we can consider it unfair how people are questioning what she has done and that we should be giving more flak to Ed. If the sex roles were reversed it wouldn't change things (for me).

 

[Jo-bot]

Can you find me a quote where he's directly gone to Jade ' I don't find you attractive that way'.

why does he have to tell her he's not attracted to her, now that would just be mean...he said he didn't want it to go further isn't that enough?

 

[Sorceress]

why does he have to tell her he's not attracted to her, now that would just be mean...he said he didn't want it to go further isn't that enough?

I don't think it'd be mean, it's honest?
Some people need to be told straight up.

 

[Chump]

No that's passing blame to Jade which isn't fair, the fact that he lets her lie on him is still validation.

Well I disagree still. People are responsible for what they do. SHE chooses to go lie on him and literally offer herself to him so that really is on her surely. He hasn't said yes, kissed her again, asked her to come lie on him (assuming we didn't have that edited out) etc ... so while he could be more helpful her actions are hers to own.

 

[rachael92]

No that's passing blame to Jade which isn't fair, the fact that he lets her lie on him is still validation.
I know it's crazy but she's not used to rejection so she thinks she can change his mind, that's what I'm seeing anyway.

She's said a couple of times that she is used to rejection and I don't think she's lying. I don't want this to come across the wrong way but in that respect I can compare her to Taylor Swift - might fall too easily or too hard for guys and then they might break up with her suddenly. Who knows.

 

[kitty1]

You really think viewers are confused by how he feels? As I viewer I feel it was pretty obvious this was someone who tried to let someone down nicely. I would say we have all at some point in time played both roles in that conversation and as we get older we learn to be more direct. He could have also been aware that Australia is watching and so think it would be nicer to not have an overt dumping occur.

I do agree that an even kinder thing would be to stop her embarrassing herself and there are ways he could stop her lying on him without actively saying 'get off me' e.g. he could say 'can you sit up that's uncomfortable' or something (bad example but you get the idea). However she also knows the score by now and if she wants to keep trying that's on her.

I'm sure that people have different takes on this situation because I can also see both sides to the Jade & Drew situation as well but my only issue is what you've just brought up - I think that the more kinder thing would have been to prevent that embarassing situation. I can definitely see that he's a nice guy but I think he's being too "neutral" and he's telling Heidi that he wants to back away from the situation and have nothing to do with it, but I think it would have been better to confront the situation.

But I also think that now that the situation's gone this far, maybe she's got a hint of what's happening, and now that she has I do like her more. I definitely agree Jo-Bot, I prefer her more after last night's show for the same reasons as you. So yeah, I can see both sides but like Chump said, maybe saying something like 'can you sit up that's uncomfortable' would have done the trick earlier

 

[rachael92]

I'm sure that people have different takes on this situation because I can also see both sides to the Jade & Drew situation as well but my only issue is what you've just brought up - I think that the more kinder thing would have been to prevent that embarassing situation. I can definitely see that he's a nice guy but I think he's being too "neutral" and he's telling Heidi that he wants to back away from the situation and have nothing to do with it, but I think it would have been better to confront the situation.

But I also think that now that the situation's gone this far, maybe she's got a hint of what's happening, and now that she has I do like her more. I definitely agree Jo-Bot, I prefer her more after last night's show for the same reasons as you. So yeah, I can see both sides but like Chump said, maybe saying something like 'can you sit up that's uncomfortable' would have done the trick earlier

I think affection comes naturally to her as well, she even said to him "I wanted to know your boundaries. I can tell you aren't comfortable with this (her lying next to/on top of him), so I'll avoid this in the future".

 

[Sorceress]

She's said a couple of times that she is used to rejection and I don't think she's lying. I don't want this to come across the wrong way but in that respect I can compare her to Taylor Swift - might fall too easily or too hard for guys and then they might break up with her suddenly. Who knows.

Yeah that wouldn't be a bad comparison.