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eliza said:
My brother was part of a gender quota.

Back in the late 70's there was an affirmative action strategy to encourage more males into nursing, it worked.

The issue is very complex and both DS and I could quote blogs, websites and news articles to back up our opinions.

As a working woman in a male dominated area of nursing I am very much aware of the "boys club". Until recently very few female nurses made their way up the ladder. Thank fully times have changed, they even pay us equal wages these days. :rolleyes:
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Did you actually read that to make a comment? Wow, you're a better (wo)man than I, Gunga Din.
 
eliza said:
My brother was part of a gender quota Back in the late 70's there was an affirmative action strategy to encourage more males into nursing, it worked. As a working woman in a male dominated area of nursing I am very much aware of the "boys club". Until recently very few female nurses made their way up the ladder. Thank fully times have changed, they even pay us equal wages these days.
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Oh the irony ... and Epic Fail ! I.E. "We need some affirmative action to get lads into nursing ... let's deny more suitable candidates the job to make it happen." followed by "Oh shit, we didn't think that through very well; we now we need some affirmative action for the lasses"

Yeah, a :rolleyes: moment alright.

Anyhoo, cheers for acknowledging so speedily and personally the truth of Miss Devine's article. How, uh, bold of you to admit that, at very least, your brother has benefited from/was enabled by undeserved special treatment / quotas as opposed having to compete based upon "free market" merit and all that.

How handy for your brother that, thanks to quotas / "affirmative action" etc, he didn't have to compete on a level or "merit" based playing field.

A question though. Does it at all bother him that, thanks to being placed at the time due to quotas / "affirmative action" and all that rather than actual merit, he got the job over more qualified / suitable candidates and thus, for a time, may well have denied other people a better level of care ?

regarDS
 
wynter said:
Did you actually read that to make a comment? Wow, you're a better (wo)man than I, Gunga Din.
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Wow, must be ladies night at the confessional this evening. :D

Are you saying that you wouldn't read anything written by Miranda Devine or was it merely the particular article I chose to cross-post that you thought you might have trouble with and so thought it best to skip over, wynter ?

Anyhoo, while we're here (:) or not :)) how are you going with resolving your chosen faith in Darwinianism and all that with your prior public statement / acknowledgement in these forums of how many breeding pairs it takes to establish/maintain/continue a species ?

Is your solution to the problem ready to be submitted for public scrutiny and testing as yet ?

Will it ever be ?

regarDS
 
You only have to read a word here and there - it's allways the same on any theme, so when you see Emily's List, well you know he's ranting bullshit about anti feminism or slagging off women pollies or women in general, or women controlling their bodies or any of that stuff that really has nothing to do with old men, or any men actually unless they volunteer to help.



He continues to live in la la land where men are supreme and fair and wonderful - not having ever been a woman and faced firms that refuse to employ women, nor ever having found himself pregnant penniless and alone........and failing to acknowledge that males have had affirmative action for males for 20 centuries.
 
derspatz said:
Oh the irony ... and Epic Fail ! I.E. "We need some affirmative action to get lads into nursing ... let's deny more suitable candidates the job to make it happen." followed by "Oh shit, we didn't think that through very well; we now we need some affirmative action for the lasses"

Yeah, a :rolleyes: moment alright.

Anyhoo, cheers for acknowledging so speedily and personally the truth of Miss Devine's article. How, uh, bold of you to admit that, at very least, your brother has benefited from/was enabled by undeserved special treatment / quotas as opposed having to compete based upon "free market" merit and all that.

How handy for your brother that, thanks to quotas / "affirmative action" etc, he didn't have to compete on a level or "merit" based playing field.

A question though. Does it at all bother him that, thanks to being placed at the time due to quotas / "affirmative action" and all that rather than actual merit, he got the job over more qualified / suitable candidates and thus, for a time, may well have denied other people a better level of care ?

regarDS
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*sigh* I said I work in a male dominated area of nursing so obviously no affirmative action was needed in Mental Health. My brother on the other hand is a highly skilled ICU and Medivac Nurse with over 30 years experience. His patients should be bloody glad that affirmative action was in place in that area in the late 70's.
 
eliza said:
*sigh* I said I work in a male dominated area of nursing so obviously no affirmative action was needed in Mental Health. My brother on the other hand is a highly skilled ICU and Medivac Nurse with over 30 years experience. His patients should be bloody glad that affirmative action was in place in that area in the late 70's.
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And *I* didn't say anything about you at all. :D

Anyhoo, so in the 1970s your brother was a highly skilled ICU and Medivac Nurse with over 30 years experience and yet he needed affirmative action to get a nursing job ?

Really ?

Or, thanks to the unfair/uneven playing field created by "quotas" and "affirmative action", your brother scored a job over more qualified candidates and was then able to to skill up over 30 years ?

Yes ?

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regarDS
 
derspatz said:
And *I* didn't say anything about you at all. :D

Anyhoo, so in the 1970s your brother was a highly skilled ICU and Medivac Nurse with over 30 years experience and yet he needed affirmative action to get a nursing job ?

Really ?

Or, thanks to the unfair/uneven playing field created by "quotas" and "affirmative action", your brother scored a job over more qualified candidates and was then able to to skill up over 30 years ?

Yes ?



regarDS
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Medusa said:
In the News.....The Boston Bomb Blast perhaps?
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Yet Another "false flag operation", perhaps ?

From here: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/what-is-false-flag-attack-boston-bombing/64260/

What Is a 'False Flag' Attack, and What Does Boston Have to Do with This?

During the Boston Police Department's final press conference of a confounding and deadly day, someone in the audience asked if Monday's bombing was a "false flag" attack. We can both explain and answer that question.

The questioner — who appears to be Dan Bidondi, a radio host for InfoWars — asked:

Why were the loud speakers telling people in the audience to be calm moments before the bombs went off? Is this another false flag staged attack to take our civil liberties and promote homeland security while sticking their hands down our pants on the streets?

To which Governor Deval Patrick, at the mic to field questions, flatly responded:

No.

What is a "false flag" attack?

The term originates with naval warfare. For centuries, ships have sailed under a flag identifying their nationality. During times of war, ships would sometimes change the national flag they flew in order to fool other vessels that they sought to attack or escape from. They would fly, in other words, a "false flag." The term then expanded to mean any scenario under which a military attack was undertaken by a person or organization pretending to be something else.

What the questioner was asking, then, was: Did the United States government orchestrate this attack, pretending to be a terrorist organization of some sort, in order to justify expanded security powers?
Is There Historical Precedent for Such a Move by a Government?

There is.

The most famous example, however, is contentious. Conspiracy theorists (of which there are a lot in America) often suggest that the 1933 fire at the Reichstag in Berlin was a "false flag" operation by the Nazis to consolidate power and undermine the Communist Party. This is still a subject of debate among historians, some of whom think the man convicted of the crime, Marinus van der Lubbe, was actually responsible. In 1998, a German court exonerated van der Lubbe.

The nexus of fascist government manipulation and phony disasters has proven difficult for theorists to resist. Following most attacks similar to Monday's bombings, there have been accusations that they serve as a tool of government oppression.

For example, the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary were quickly labeled a "false flag" operation by conspiracy theorists, the implication being that the Obama administration wanted to use the tragedy to tighten gun restrictions. If that was the president's goal, the Senate wasn't on board with it.

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Etc, etc.

regarDS
 
Medusa said:
Nope.. Don't understand your "gobbledegook" especially when PEOPLE are dead and injured.
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Do you have any idea why PEOPLE are dead and injured ?

Deem "Cui Bono" included.

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regarDS
 
Medusa said:
Human beings...still dead and injured.
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Yup, tis terrible how everyday that is becoming these days. Perhaps if the whole world was unified under the control of a single government and president and cash was done away with and we all were chipped like cattle and had to get special permission to travel outside our allocated zones, etc, etc, there would be less dead and injured human beings ?

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Until that long foretold day arrives though, here is some food for thought and involves something any of us can choose to do something about rather than hand-wringing about stuff that is mostly beyond our control or responsibility:

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(BTW, if you've not noticed the detail in that famous picture before, the shell game is merely the "false flag" distraction to enable the thief behind you to take your purse without you noticing until it is too late.)

regarDS
 
Oh dear Ders is a conspiracy nut.

Now who'd have thunk that?

So what O great smart one was the agenda here for the evil government?
 
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