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Deaths of Minor Celebrities

Leaving your flesh behind and return to the dreaming from the presumed comfort of one's own home doesn't sound so bad but as for kidney disease, I wonder how he was being treatied for that.

Leaving your flesh behind at 56 years of age doesn't sound so bad?

Even if you die in a valley of unicorns with rainbows abound it is still a tragedy and given that he is an aboriginal man, it is further evidence that we need to work harder closing the gap regarding indigenous life expectancy.

I have to ask. Is that a spelling err or a tasteless joke?

One never can quite tell with you.

RegarDS
 
Even if you die in a valley of unicorns with rainbows abound it is still a tragedy....

Death is not a tragedy for the one who has died. Death is tragedy for those who are still alive, because we have to continue without that person and all who they are in our lives. We lose their unique contribution to our own lives that enriches, fills and changes us for good or for bad, but at the end we are changed for their influence upon us. For the one who has died it's not a tragedy because they no longer care. They have gone onto another place, or stage, or part of their existence that we have no part of and can only follow in our own good time.

:)

Sean
 
Leaving your flesh behind at 56 years of age doesn't sound so bad?

"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." - Philippians 1:21-24

Even if you die in a valley of unicorns with rainbows abound it is still a tragedy and given that he is an aboriginal man, it is further evidence that we need to work harder closing the gap regarding indigenous life expectancy.

We are what and who we are and our flesh is but a gendered avatar we put on and drive for a while AFAIC.

Some of us wear out our avatar sooner than others, and others of us have less resilient avatars than others in the first place. shrug.

"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to slide in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy Shit, what a ride!" and all that ...

also, re: the dreaming ... which is the dream and which is the waking up ? :D

[youtubevid]oF14OZKOI68[/youtubevid]

I have to ask. Is that a spelling err or a tasteless joke?

It is a deliberate hat-tip to a fantastic song that I reckon everyone should remember and associate with this particular recently departed.

Only tasteless I've seen thus far in this thread in relation to this particular "death", is the deliberate use/posting of the deceased's name.

Perhaps the person who did that (and who still hasn't redacted it) thinks that this forum has no (nor ever will have) members or readers who identify as being Aboriginal ?

regarDS
 
Ahhhh Esther

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Death is not a tragedy for the one who has died. Death is tragedy for those who are still alive, because we have to continue without that person and all who they are in our lives. We lose their unique contribution to our own lives that enriches, fills and changes us for good or for bad, but at the end we are changed for their influence upon us. For the one who has died it's not a tragedy because they no longer care. They have gone onto another place, or stage, or part of their existence that we have no part of and can only follow in our own good time.

:)

Sean

I absolutely agree, however I do believe the process of dying can sometimes only be described as a tragedy and the memories which are left to the ones left behind to try and reconcile with can be heart wrenching. For me, even 15 years later, those flashbacks and the memories of the months living through my loved ones terminal illness can still cause me to lose my breath.

I felt to oversimplify the magnitude of loss which is a result of this fine man's premature death because he got to cark it in his favourite armchair was insensitive.

And I believe 100% that a 56 year old aboriginal man dying of renal disease is an absolute tragedy.
 
"For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better; yet to remain on in the flesh is more necessary for your sake." - Philippians 1:21-24

Ha!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

I love it when a loon quotes the bible. Nothing like a bit of "my invisible God is so much greater than your invisible God..." debate to get your insane juices flowing!



It is a deliberate hat-tip to a fantastic song that I reckon everyone should remember and associate with this particular recently departed.

Well I didn't find your insensitive play on words a "hat-tip" or a show of respect to a man who inspired, helped educate and supported his community and stoically battled renal failure while continuing to educate his community to the importance of indigenous health and the issues which surround them, in fact I found your "hat tip" both ignorant and disrespectful

Treatied indeed.
 
... I found your "hat tip" both ignorant and disrespectful

Oh well ... or to paraphrase Miss Keeler, "well you would say that, wouldn't you" :D

Treatied indeed.

Apparently.

(Warning: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander viewers should use caution when viewing the following link as it may contain images of deceased persons.)

... and from wiki (which also details the cultural custom involving name changes, etc) we can learn:

... was diagnosed with diabetes and high blood pressure, which in turn contributed to advanced renal failure, for which he received haemodialysis three times a week in Darwin. His condition was announced in 2007 following his attendance in January at a rehabilitation clinic, after years of drinking of beer, between one and four cartons, daily according to his treating psychiatrist ...

So, just like for all of us, yet another case of "His life, his choice" and "we reap what we sow", eh ?

Anyhoo, ...

Warning: Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander viewers should use caution when viewing the following youtube as it may contain images and voices of deceased persons.

[youtubevid]S7cbkxn4G8U[/youtubevid]

I believe 100% that a 56 year old aboriginal man dying of renal disease is an absolute tragedy.

Ethnicist !

Anyhoo, speaking of absolute tragedies" :D

regarDS
 
... and from wiki (which also details the cultural custom involving name changes, etc) we can learn:

... was diagnosed with diabetes and high blood pressure, which in turn contributed to advanced renal failure, for which he received haemodialysis three times a week in Darwin. His condition was announced in 2007 following his attendance in January at a rehabilitation clinic, after years of drinking of beer, between one and four cartons, daily according to his treating psychiatrist ...

So, just like for all of us, yet another case of "His life, his choice" and "we reap what we sow", eh ?

I see someone has once again spent a little too much time in the sun with their tin medieval fighting helmet on again…

This man was a product of his environment, that is a fact I am not disputing. However I prefer to judge this man by his best moments, not by his worst. I am celebrating the fact he became tireless in his fight to break the negative cycle and close the gap regarding equality in health and educational opportunities in aboriginal communities.

As far as spirituality, you do understand that just like us whitefella’s not all blackfella’s believe in the same thing yes?

While I respect your extensive Wiki-knowledge, my knowledge and understanding of the differences and diversities of aboriginal people comes from, well – aboriginal people. As far as spiritual beliefs, I have found some aboriginal people identify as Muslim, some identify as Christian, others follow their tribal cultural beliefs, and some believe in nothing. While I am not saying my understanding of aboriginal culture is right, it is just my understanding based on my experiences.

I am very close friends with our Indigenous Liaison Officer for the Sunny Coast, coincidently we both worked together as cleaners for HACC and have both watched each other’s careers grow and blossom through educational opportunities we had working for QLD Health, which we otherwise would have missed, him being aboriginal and me being third generation welfare and I have learned about different tribal beliefs from him. I am also lucky to be friends with an aboriginal CNC who was the first of her family to ever study at uni, she is an inspirational lady who has a passion for cultural awareness and she is currently working tirelessly in preparation for NAIDOC week on the coast next month.


Ethnicist !

regarDS

I am not sure what this means, in my experience aboriginal people are proud to be called aboriginal people and to be identified as aboriginal. I have actually discussed the topic of which is correct with my CNC friend and she said it was more to do with political correctness gone mad at the top level, where the powers that be decided what the majority of aboriginal people wanted to be referred to without actually ever consulting with the majority of aboriginal people, I am not sure if this is the case, but like I said in my experience the word aboriginal is not offensive to an aboriginal.

Our indigenous Australians do not currently have equal opportunities, like this man, I am passionate about doing anything I can to help bridge this gap. My nursing goal, once I have gained a bit over 5 minutes ward experience is to go to the Territory and to help educate women regarding women’s health issues and their possible choices, I figure that if it turns out you were right regarding your God babble and I was wrong, believing in science, your fair and forgiving God might cut me some slack and let me into heaven on compassionate grounds.
 
Only tasteless I've seen thus far in this thread in relation to this particular "death", is the deliberate use/posting of the deceased's name.

Perhaps the person who did that (and who still hasn't redacted it) thinks that this forum has no (nor ever will have) members or readers who identify as being Aboriginal ?

regarDS

Within the aboriginal culture the beliefs vary greatly you might like to have taken the time to find out exactly what the Mr Yunupingu family wanted.

http://www.yothuyindi.com/

I initially did a cut and paste to report his death and when I realized that I had inadvertently included his first name I immediately removed it. I do apologize for that and hope no one was offended. However I take offence to an accusation that it was deliberate. Only someone who deliberately tries to offend people would automatically assume such a thing.

Is it only me that finds it bizarre that even when attempting to be culturally sensitive your posts oozes nastiness, it must be exhausting for you.
 
Someone who just said what he did about Anna Bligh's cancer diagnosis isn't really in any position to be judging, is he!
 
James Gandolfini, best known as mob boss Tony Soprano, has died in Italy at the age of 51.
 
James Gandolfini, best known as mob boss Tony Soprano, has died in Italy at the age of 51.

Judging by the size of his gut, I would say it was a professional hit by peperoni pizza and creamy cabonara!
 
Very sad for his family, The Sopranos would be up there in my list of top 5 shows. He certainly was a heart attack waiting to happen, here is hoping some fans perhaps have a light bulb moment when they think of his age and his physique.
 
Oh no, he was a wonderful actor - many great performances, and Sopranos amazingly good TV
 
James Gandolfini, best known as mob boss Tony Soprano, has died in Italy at the age of 51.

For what it is worth, I detest shows/movies/tv/musicals that are about the mafia, especially with so much of it still going on even in Oz in the form of unions, the greenazis and fellow simpleton/moll racist sexist marxist emily lister fabian socialist Julia Gillard and all that.

At most I can handle the rare documentary on the topic but essentially the mafia/unions/gangs/fabian socialists/islamists and all their standover and bullying and all their totalitarianism/left-ard extremism just turns my stomach while simultaneously reminding me how Good and Correct it will be for Our Lord And Creator to renovate the heavens and earth by fire to rid His creation of that blight.

Anyhoo, never been interested in watching the sopranos nor underbelly nor sons of anarchy, etc, etc.

... but I'm sure all of those kinds of shows are simply "top of the pops" with those who also tend to vote for the ALP or greenazis.

Like prefers like and all that.

Within the aboriginal culture the beliefs vary greatly you might like to have taken the time to find out exactly what the Mr Yunupingu family wanted.

http://www.yothuyindi.com/

No need as I was already aware of the custom and had already observed you had run foul of it.

I initially did a cut and paste to report his death and when I realized that I had inadvertently included his first name I immediately removed it

Which translates to "It was somebody else's fault and damned if I'm going to admit that it was derspatz who pointed out my breach of protocol, waa I'm a victim", yes ? :D

Anyhoo, as you apparently went a looking for confirmation upon me telling ya like it is, did you discover that the deceased in fact had himself taken on a new name due to, long ago, the passing of another family member of the same name as was his ?

No ? Well, my pleasure to bring that factoid to your attention too. :)

Is it only me that finds it bizarre that even when attempting to be culturally sensitive your posts oozes nastiness, it must be exhausting for you.

I'm sure it is you AND and anybody else who would prefer to go pouty faced and point @ me rather than embark upon a bit of self examination. :D

regarDS
 
I made a mistake which I fixed and acknowledged, I did not need to remove the entire name because Mr Yunupingu stated that it was ok to use his surname.

I regularly do self examination, on the outside and inside of my body.

As per usual you have resorted to nasty, no surprises there.
 
I made a mistake

Yes you did.

which I fixed

Yes you did ... but only after I raised the issue (at least twice) and exampled various way of dealing with it, including the one commonly used in the MSM.

and acknowledged,

Yes you have, eventually and of sorts. You're not fooling anyone though. :D

BTW, good on ya for taking the time to go google to try and prove me wrong even though ya should have know ahead of time that you wouldn't be able to. :D

As per usual you have resorted to nasty ...

No I haven't and nor do I ... and who are you to say otherwise ? :D

[ADIT] (looks @ date, deems "near enough is good enough" for the following ...)

I'm sorry you feel I'm being nasty, eliza. :D

regarDS
 
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