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Episode Day 52 (29/10/14) Daily show

BB Daze said:
You can't win with you lot can you? Whatever you do in that circumstance, there is guilt. You say sorry, then you're guilty of that crime. You don't say sorry, then it's guilt without remorse.

Look David flies off the bat, sometimes he doesn't think about what he's saying. That's just who he is. If you lot are only just figuring this out now, then I suggest you start watching this series again at episode 3 or 4 to the whole Lisa's booby saga. I like David more than some of the other dim shits on the show, he is sweet at heart, but obviously has big problems expressing himself properly.
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Huh? I think you missed what I was saying, I've got my Dave hat on, he was comedy in that pool..
 
refundeR said:
Huh? I think you missed what I was saying, I've got my Dave hat on, he was comedy in that pool..
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Gotcha, sorry I thought you where on that other bandwagon, I read it differently, oops.

For those still carrying on about that being bullying, here's the video again :
http://www.jump-in.com.au/show/bigbrother/2014/videos/3864407894001/

That is not bullying ffs.

Just a bit of sillyness, is all.. Looks to me like that Tom bloke tilted things, if anything "keep your mouth shut, alright" (pointing at Priya). Dave's comments at that point where definitely looking for trouble though, but I don't think he meaned it in a serious way, he was initially just winding her up is all!.
 
So I gave up watching last night about 2/3 the way through and am continuing now.

Anyway, what's the go with Marina's farewell coming from the dark alleyways (aka the showdown commentator's angle) of the BB eviction set (obviously filmed after her eviction)? Why wasn't this filmed in the diary room before eviction?
 
refundeR said:
It’s similar to reverse racism. Take the saying ‘playing the race card’ – it’s like that, but doing it unnecessarily.
It's going OUT of your way to accommodate a group of people who historically have been affected by racism. Like giving a dark skinned person a job over a group of caucasian people because you’re scared to appear bias even though they’re all ranked identically suitable for a role.
Or for reverse feminism (which I dislike the most), making it a big deal and front page headline news when a female is successful in winning the role of CEO for a major international company.
In Pryia's case, her being exceedingly upset and accentuating the situation of being ganged up on by 4 guys (in a completely non-threatening situation) is her way of using feminism to her advantage – and well played too. A bloke wouldn’t have gathered everyone and told them off like that after the event. What’s the difference that it was a female? No-one was derogatory or sexist.
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No such number, no such zone.

Let me begin by saying that generally speaking, there is no such thing as "reverse sexism." There just isn't. When one uses the word "sexism," you're not just referring to say, a derogatory term for a woman (e.g. "slut"), but rather, sexism exists at a macro level. It describes a system that privileges men (and specific kinds of men) over and at the expense of women (all women generally, while privileging some women over others). A remark or action that we call "sexist" is sexist because it exists within that larger context. If you call me, a man, some slur, let's say "bastard," that's not "reverse sexism" or anything of the sort, because it's not a manifestation of a larger system that is working against me based on my sex.

http://mendaredo.com/2011/06/19/reverse-sexism/
 
Winterbourne said:
And then Priya found a way to nulify any victory Dave might have had. I thought Richard's take was interesting - itmwas nothing, but could have grown into something (ie, the new guys thinking a certain way, long term, about Priya,) so she made it into a big thing so as to defuse it. When they actually show us the housemates, and we hear their conversations, especially from Ryan, Dave, Priya, Richard, Lina and maybe Leo, then there is actually a decent game of Big Brother going on in there.
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To her mind perhaps and those caught up in the fakearsery. I saw David's response to her wanting to"chat" just working with his "blokes shut up and nod in agreement" to go with exactly what he said at the pool.
 
JP92 said:
So much one - eyed rubbish from priyas followers tonight. If ya's think priya was somehow right in that confrontation you people have your heads so far up your backside. Get off your high horses and get that it was a clear joke and she took it like a little girl. That was extremely embarrassing for her and most of the comments on the Facebook page support this. I can't believe some people on here were saying they were being s exist. Such overreaction and it's showing what PC is doing to people. Disgraceful.
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PGA President of America sacked for using that expression.
 
marquisite said:
So I gave up watching last night about 2/3 the way through and am continuing now.

Anyway, what's the go with Marina's farewell coming from the dark alleyways (aka the showdown commentator's angle) of the BB eviction set (obviously filmed after her eviction)? Why wasn't this filmed in the diary room before eviction?
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Producers for sure made her say them comments about travis flirting to create more drama.
 
refundeR said:
It’s similar to reverse racism. Take the saying ‘playing the race card’ – it’s like that, but doing it unnecessarily.
It's going OUT of your way to accommodate a group of people who historically have been affected by racism. Like giving a dark skinned person a job over a group of caucasian people because you’re scared to appear bias even though they’re all ranked identically suitable for a role.
Or for reverse feminism (which I dislike the most), making it a big deal and front page headline news when a female is successful in winning the role of CEO for a major international company.
In Pryia's case, her being exceedingly upset and accentuating the situation of being ganged up on by 4 guys (in a completely non-threatening situation) is her way of using feminism to her advantage – and well played too. A bloke wouldn’t have gathered everyone and told them off like that after the event. What’s the difference that it was a female? No-one was derogatory or sexist.
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I don't think any of it was sexist until Dave brought up the "sometimes you just have to let women rip shreds off you". THAT turned it into a men vs. women thing, where before it was a Priya vs the group thing (and the group just happened to be all boys).

And even then, what he said was a very minor comment as far as sexist remarks go, but the problem is that it tarnishes the rest of the encounter with that brush. By making it about how Priya is a woman, it puts the rest of their actions in question. Were they chanting "defence" at her because she's naturally a defensive person, or because she's a defensive woman? Dave made it about her gender. You even see her responding immediately by asking him to clarify, she says, "did you say it's a woman thing?" and he responded by saying, "well you are one, aren't you?"

Last time he got in trouble for being sexist, it was completely blown out of proportion, imo. He definitely wasn't the only one in that room that was talking about Lisa's boobies. They were all taking potshots, it's just that she happened to latch on to one phrase that she heard clearly coming from a voice she recognised. But they were all in on it, and it's the exact same thing all the girls do when they gather around to discuss the bodies of the men in the house. Hell, if we're going to get really into this topic, we could talk about how cringey it was seeing the girls discuss Leo's dick size when Lisa said she had a peek in the showers. Both situations are almost identical, but Lisa didn't cop shit for salivating over Leo's body parts the way David did for his comment about her boobs, because no one was there to overhear them and call them out on it.

But anyway, this time, in the pool, it was all on Dave. And that's what was so disappointing about it, because although he's put his foot in his mouth on several occasions, they've always been harmless idiotic remarks rather than a remark like this which reflects a deeper problem in the way he thinks. "Sometimes you just have to let women rip shreds off you". It's not a very overt form of sexism (as opposed to, say, the women should stay in the kitchen type jokes), but it is sexist. It's similar to when guys have 'joked' with me to go make them a sandwich. It's dismissive, it's rude, and it's centered around gender which is just sad.

It's 2014, let's not be shit to each other for shit like gender.

I still want to like Dave, and I suspect that his comment was another example of him "peacocking" and trying to say the type of thing that he thought would make him look cool in front of the newbies. But it's disappointing to see him reach for low balls like that, and really disappointing that he didn't apologise after he'd had the chance to walk away and gather his thoughts. Those sorts of comments are a reflection on the values that someone has.

Anyway, his future behaviour will clarify this incident. It's a red flag, but if he continues being the awkward-but-respectful guy he's been, then cool, it was just a joke that he took too far and we can all move on. But if he was a friend of mine irl, I'd try to help him by pulling him aside at some point to help him see the way that type of comment can come across, and why it raised red flags.

He's an alright guy, and I like to think he'd understand and wasn't intentionally being sexist.
 
Kismet said:
No mention of Priya being a Misandrist?
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Yes I'm sure the only married woman in the house who was best friends with Jason absolutely hates men.

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jooles_x said:
I don't think any of it was sexist until Dave brought up the "sometimes you just have to let women rip shreds off you". THAT turned it into a men vs. women thing, where before it was a Priya vs the group thing (and the group just happened to be all boys).

And even then, what he said was a very minor comment as far as sexist remarks go, but the problem is that it tarnishes the rest of the encounter with that brush. By making it about how Priya is a woman, it puts the rest of their actions in question. Were they chanting "defence" at her because she's naturally a defensive person, or because she's a defensive woman? Dave made it about her gender. You even see her responding immediately by asking him to clarify, she says, "did you say it's a woman thing?" and he responded by saying, "well you are one, aren't you?"

Last time he got in trouble for being sexist, it was completely blown out of proportion, imo. He definitely wasn't the only one in that room that was talking about Lisa's boobies. They were all taking potshots, it's just that she happened to latch on to one phrase that she heard clearly coming from a voice she recognised. But they were all in on it, and it's the exact same thing all the girls do when they gather around to discuss the bodies of the men in the house. Hell, if we're going to get really into this topic, we could talk about how cringey it was seeing the girls discuss Leo's dick size when Lisa said she had a peek in the showers. Both situations are almost identical, but Lisa didn't cop shit for salivating over Leo's body parts the way David did for his comment about her boobs, because no one was there to overhear them and call them out on it.

But anyway, this time, in the pool, it was all on Dave. And that's what was so disappointing about it, because although he's put his foot in his mouth on several occasions, they've always been harmless idiotic remarks rather than a remark like this which reflects a deeper problem in the way he thinks. "Sometimes you just have to let women rip shreds off you". It's not a very overt form of sexism (as opposed to, say, the women should stay in the kitchen type jokes), but it is sexist. It's similar to when guys have 'joked' with me to go make them a sandwich. It's dismissive, it's rude, and it's centered around gender which is just sad.

It's 2014, let's not be shit to each other for shit like gender.

I still want to like Dave, and I suspect that his comment was another example of him "peacocking" and trying to say the type of thing that he thought would make him look cool in front of the newbies. But it's disappointing to see him reach for low balls like that, and really disappointing that he didn't apologise after he'd had the chance to walk away and gather his thoughts. Those sorts of comments are a reflection on the values that someone has.

Anyway, his future behaviour will clarify this incident. It's a red flag, but if he continues being the awkward-but-respectful guy he's been, then cool, it was just a joke that he took too far and we can all move on. But if he was a friend of mine irl, I'd try to help him by pulling him aside at some point to help him see the way that type of comment can come across, and why it raised red flags.

He's an alright guy, and I like to think he'd understand and wasn't intentionally being sexist.
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I agree with alot of what your'e saying Jooles, makes alot of sense, there's only one little bit that still niggles me. You mentioned that saying "sometimes you just have to let a women rip shreds off you" is not overtly sexist, but still is. The only way I can see that as being sexist is if we're assuming that Dave doesn't consider a woman as an equal and instead of have an arguement/disscusion that he'd normally have with a man, he's taking it easy on her because she's a woman? Not sure what your take is on it.. If Pryia said "boys will be boys" after a similar incident, would that be slightly sexist? I dunno, too many fine lines. Everyones interpretation of sexisim varies so much.
Oh, by the way, sometimes you just have to let a woman have the last say in a thread :)
 
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