Episode Day 31 (8/10/2014) Daily Show & Nominations

Jo-bot said:
I think you have explained it all beautifully here in the first paragraph, totally agree with you.

On Travis though I think his heart was in the right place. He is a complete meat head but it's nice that he didn't trivialize her feelings, or question them, he wanted to look after her but not make her feel like she needs looking after, tried to keep others at bay because he has listened to what she says and tried to uphold that even though he clearly wanted to save/help her and be her hero. He should have let her talk to sam when she was ready but for the most shallow of guys on first impressions he really seems to want to do the right thing by Aisha, which is kind of sweet.
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Agree with both of these.

Obviously it genuinely upset her. She was made to feel like a twat.

Everyone felt bad for her. Even priya apologised and then speaking to jason she said she felt horrible.

Sam apologised then went off and bitched about her
 
I don't get the priya love. She's cool, gorgeous, interesting and I enjoy watching her but what the hell happened that made everyone in here go fucking nuts over her. I sometimes wonder if it isn't one of those forum in jokes where a few people go "praise priya" and everyone else jumps on board for the lols (did I just say lols....shoot me!).

is this what the Estelle frenzy was like a few years ago? I heard about it but I wasn't here (praise Prisus....I mean Jesus)

fuck
 
Martin81 said:
I guess because Aisha was blaming Sam mostly? And it looked like Priya was participating but she wasnt being rough, she was trying to
'soften it up a bit by taking shampoo out of her ears', and because she is closer to Aisha. She also wasn't being aggressive and weird, which makes all the difference in a 'prank'. There are some actions you accept from some that are completely unacceptable from others, and Aisha is obviously a lot closer to Priya than Sam. Also, Priya recognised almost immediately as Aisha left the room that she was upset and went straight away to apologise it seemed. That makes all the difference. She took full responsibility 'i was there, i should have stopped it, i knew what was happening and did nothing'. That is the important difference. Sam's apology was more like "sorry but your boyfriend is a tool".
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Yes. But she should have stopped it. She has never danced to anyone's tune. But she didn't. Which is why she's gone down a notch in my eyes.
 
Martin81 said:
I don't think that they were nodding and agreeing with her feeling bad for feeling bad as far as I remember. I thought they were nodding about the way she felt bad for not asserting herself in the situation. It is difficult, especially for young women, to assert themselves when they are half naked in a room with other people, but essentially she should be able to stand up for herself. Ultimately, if she had been able to say no, or suggested that she was very unhappy, it is quite likely that the situation would not have continued. She recognised that, she recognised that she had laughed along with it and had never said (from what we were actually shown) that they should stop. In terms of her feeling bad for him, the fact that she was laughing only goaded him on, I think, and she felt bad that maybe he would be blindsided by the fact that she was actually upset by his actions. I don't think anyone said to her that she was overreacting or agreed that she should feel bad for feeling horrible - only Sam did in the privacy of the diary room. Skye actually did say 'you don't have to feel bad' (as I recall).
Nevertheless, Sam should have read the situation better. He knows her just as well as anyone else, more than us. He should know better how she may react to such treatment, and he should have understood from the way she was behaving that it was inappropriate to do with her (perhaps not with everyone, but definitely with her). Priya realised this when she saw Aisha's face at the end and immediately went to rectify the situation.
Also, Travis did do the wrong thing. It's her battle, let her fight it. It made her look immature and embarassing to have her boyfriend go and fight her battles for her. He didn't actually listen to her when she said she was unsure whether she wanted him to say anything, and that she didn't know what to do right now. Gross macho, not to mention high-school immature, behaviour on his part.
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We will have to disagree.

Personally it seemed that way to me and I was watching it just going, 'but you don't need to feel bad' and there was no one saying that. There was just the general consoling and there were times when this was said and people were just nodding along. I don't recall skye saying it, but with Sam he was nodding along along agreeing and I guess I am more fixated on that kind of stuff.

I have seen a few comments and I think it is lost on some people that the hotels guests as part of the task do kind of have to go along with a lot of the crap the staff are doing. There is this layer to the day spa situation as Aisha said. I really think the jerk attitude was just culminating and the defensive reaction to going too far, acting like someone shouldn't get upset because you were enjoying the joke. I really just can't stand that kind of attitude.


I also disagree with your view of Travis. Personally the whole, 'oh it's immature, embarrassing' I don't buy into that at all. I personally see a lot of this as a pointless straw man attack. I just don't buy into that line of thinking. Maybe he didn't listen, but he wasn't overly macho and school yard. That was just Sam's characterization because he was trying to over play what was going, and trying to frame the reaction of Travis as immature on as a tactic to underplay the seriousness of his upsetting of Aisha.

Also his whole, 'we're in here as individuals' but he's the biggest alliance, game player, playing in teams type person in the house.
 
Tuttle said:
Yes. But she should have stopped it. She has never danced to anyone's tune. But she didn't. Which is why she's gone down a notch in my eyes.
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Me too to be honest, but then I saw how she took responsibility for it, totally and fully. Not many people do that. She did it immediately. Most would try to place all the blame on Sam, or on Aisha and say oh you were laughing i thought it was fine. you should have said etc etc.
Nevertheless she participated. It slightly shocked me.
 
twinsmum said:
I think this is my biggest issue tonight as well? I missed a bit of it and honestly I don't know what I thought of the whole drama but I feel like all in all they are actually perpetuating a pretty dangerous attitude. And maybe she did feel genuinely conflicted or confused about it all but I mean the editors decision to put that in, as well as the HMs reactions. They must have known what they're doing and for a show thats selling itself as 'family friendly' even though it starts near 9pm. I just think, its pretty bad to be modelling that, could be pretty dangerous in the long run.Nearly bleeds into victim blaming. I'm not saying thats what happened tonight, but I feel like that's what it could so easily turn into. Sorry I might be being an overanxious and very tired mum at the moment!! I definitely am. But from where I stand I never want my kids to feel bad for feeling bad, or feeling anything. We have emotions and feelings for a reason...don't shame them.

Sorry I haven't really said anything different just wanted to add my 2c, but I agree with everything you said!)
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I think there's some of us that were just way more attune to this aspect of the drama than others. It just really did stand out, didn't it?

It was there, maybe just some of our own feelings, thoughts, experiences, knowledge on the matter made it stand out more than it was. It's still important to acknowledge this aspect, even if with editing we're a little unsure of everything that was going on.
 
Martin81 said:
I guess because Aisha was blaming Sam mostly? And it looked like Priya was participating but she wasnt being rough, she was trying to
'soften it up a bit by taking shampoo out of her ears', and because she is closer to Aisha. She also wasn't being aggressive and weird, which makes all the difference in a 'prank'. There are some actions you accept from some that are completely unacceptable from others, and Aisha is obviously a lot closer to Priya than Sam. Also, Priya recognised almost immediately as Aisha left the room that she was upset and went straight away to apologise it seemed. That makes all the difference. She took full responsibility 'i was there, i should have stopped it, i knew what was happening and did nothing'. That is the important difference. Sam's apology was more like "sorry but your boyfriend is a tool".
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I do understand what you are saying but priya was slapping her back, telling her to scream louder etc and then was all "I was there and should have stopped him". Well you were doing it also, lady, you didn't stop him because you thought it was funny as well, until you realized she was upset. I really don't think either of them meant any harm, and Aisha said that herself. She felt like shit, she wasn't sure why, she knew they didn't mean to upset her and she just wanted to work it out in her own mind. Sam stayed away which is probably a good thing and if trav hadn't got to him first things might have been a lot easier to sort out. I think he felt like trav was being the big protective boyfriend, taking him away for a talk. Which made it worse for sam and Aisha but trav was just trying to help. I hope they can all hug and make up, naked, and take photos.

joking joking
 
up_all_night said:
I think there's some of us that were just way more attune to this aspect of the drama than others. It just really did stand out, didn't it?

It was there, maybe just some of our own feelings, thoughts, experiences, knowledge on the matter made it stand out more than it was. It's still important to acknowledge this aspect, even if with editing we're a little unsure of everything that was going on.
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Hammer, nail,head.
 
Martin81 said:
Me too to be honest, but then I saw how she took responsibility for it, totally and fully. Not many people do that. She did it immediately. Most would try to place all the blame on Sam, or on Aisha and say oh you were laughing i thought it was fine. you should have said etc etc.
Nevertheless she participated. It slightly shocked me.
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Yes. But I would never have gone along with it in the first place.
 
Jo-bot said:
I don't get the priya love. She's cool, gorgeous, interesting and I enjoy watching her but what the hell happened that made everyone in here go fucking nuts over her. I sometimes wonder if it isn't one of those forum in jokes where a few people go "praise priya" and everyone else jumps on board for the lols (did I just say lols....shoot me!).

is this what the Estelle frenzy was like a few years ago? I heard about it but I wasn't here (praise Prisus....I mean Jesus)

fuck
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She's one of the smartest housemates to enter that place in 14 years.

I am from Adelaide so supporting a south Aussie

But mainly would love to see a strong , smart, independent woman take out the title.
 
Oswin said:
Oh - good point. Could be! I took it another way - which is why I wasn't surprised Cat didn't try to save him. Damn this guessing and trying to figure out their editing lol.
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Maybe she knew that Lawson would be up anyway? She was more concerned with giving Travis a break from being nominated, and seeing that Sam, Sandra, and Jason were up for nominations just so that those three people could appreciate their time in the house. Maybe the same thought process on 'appreciating your time in the house' meant that Cat didn't care if Lawson was nominated or not.
 
Frankyfurt said:
But mainly would love to see a strong , smart, independent woman take out the title.
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^This. I love the back story and she's great viewing. And I affirm diversity and enjoy watching it. (I've got green eyes and light brown hair so I'm not fronting despite the avatar.)
 
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up_all_night said:
We will have to disagree.

Personally it seemed that way to me and I was watching it just going, 'but you don't need to feel bad' and there was no one saying that. There was just the general consoling and there were times when this was said and people were just nodding along. I don't recall skye saying it, but with Sam he was nodding along along agreeing and I guess I am more fixated on that kind of stuff.

I have seen a few comments and I think it is lost on some people that the hotels guests as part of the task do kind of have to go along with a lot of the crap the staff are doing. There is this layer to the day spa situation as Aisha said. I really think the jerk attitude was just culminating and the defensive reaction to going too far, acting like someone shouldn't get upset because you were enjoying the joke. I really just can't stand that kind of attitude.


I also disagree with your view of Travis. Personally the whole, 'oh it's immature, embarrassing' I don't buy into that at all. I personally see a lot of this as a pointless straw man attack. I just don't buy into that line of thinking. Maybe he didn't listen, but he wasn't overly macho and school yard. That was just Sam's characterization because he was trying to over play what was going, and trying to frame the reaction of Travis as immature on as a tactic to underplay the seriousness of his upsetting of Aisha.

Also his whole, 'we're in here as individuals' but he's the biggest alliance, game player, playing in teams type person in the house.
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There was definitely not a proper discussion about what had happened, I will agree with you there. Sam didn't handle the conversation with her at all well, so I won't even go there. I definitely think his actions were in the wrong.

What I was trying to point out that if she is the 'strong woman' she thinks she is she needs to learn to assert herself, because people will be inappropriate and awful to her throughout life (thats a given, it happens to everyone) and she will need to learn how to set boundaries to ensure that it doesn't happen like this again. As I have stated, when I was younger it did take a few situations like this for me to learn, but you have to reflect and see the situation as it is, and understand your part in it. That is what I felt she did in her conversations after when she said she realised she should have asserted herself and said no. That's why I didn't have a problem with those conversations.

In regards to Travis; adults deal with their situations entirely differently. If you were in a situation where a friend had done something mean to you, you would, as a mature adult, address the issue with that friend, when ready. Not have another friend or boyfriend do it for you (I realise she didnt want him to do it for her). He didn't go as macho as Sam made it out, agreed, but doing that is really immature. If my partner did that for me I would be embarassed and angry, as Aisha kind of was with Travis. This is not just a house thing, this is a life thing. It's what you do in school when you have been bullied, you tell mum or a teacher and they deal with it for you. As adults, you deal with your problems yourself. Personally, I see that action as seriously patronising.
 
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