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David Appreciation Thread

Are you serious? For starters Skye was NOT being bullied. She was acting RIDICULOUS and everyone knew it. Just because Cat and Jason were standing next to her that didn't mean they agreed with her. They were calming trying to tell her that Ryan wasn't wasn't attacking her but she wouldn't have a bar of it. When she realised Cat and co weren't agreeing with her she made up a BLATANT lie about Ryan and Sandra laughing as they walked into the bedroom, and then got the shits when Cat pointed out that they hadn't. She was putting on an act and trying to garner sympathy but got angry when it didn't work.

How was she acting ridiculous?

She wasn't claiming Ryan was attacking her, he made a comment and she followed up with a comment directly related to what he said and he then went off at her. Now in light of a conversation we just saw him have, of course he was talking about her. We just watched him have a conversation about how she is fake and playing the game and he isn't going to accept it or whatever he was saying. So it is not hard to assume there is a direct link due.

What was her lie? I don't see in anyway her comments about the reaction and what she saw as they left the room as being a lie. They went in the room and were congratulating themselves on being mean to her and even Sandra made comment about how excited she was at some of the things Ryan said.

Now you mentioning bullying.

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbalharassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Justifications and rationalizations for such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation,lineage, strength, size or ability./QUOTE] From Wikipedia

It kind of sounds like what Ryan was doing. Trying to assert dominance over Skye through an imbalance of social power. Justified by the fact she is a 'dumb bimbo' or whatever he called her.

Remember Skye made a completely fine comment to what Ryan said, she even tried to clarify and Ryan knows, the others know exactly what she meant but Ryan had to turn it into a game of dominating, talking down, trying to make her look and feel stupid in front of everyone. He then turned it into a personal attack at her. Which then continued with insults with the others after.

Ryan was the one acting ridiculous. Everyone reacted to Ryan's unjustified verbal attack on Skye jumping in and going along with what he was doing. How he framed it. Simple fact remains, she said nothing wrong, something directly related to what he said and he took the opportunity to attack her. To dominate and intimidate her.




I have no idea how you got the idea that Ryan was the one chucking a petulant tantrum when Skye was the one that told him to either "fuck off" or "shut up" (can't remember exactly but it was something abrupt and petulant along those lines) the moment he asked her a serious question (what she didn't understand about David saying they needed to be civil).

Skye -
But you just said every time, you just said the reason why we don’t get along.. I wasn’t aware that we don’t get along. But I don’t feel like you’re attacking me. I think every time I talk, you think I am attacking you.


Ryan -
Nah I just feel that every time we talk I’m having to explain myself and justify my answer.



Skye -
Ok.. well then don’t talk to me.

Ryan was merely taking out his being upset at being nominated out on Skye. After the video he most likely thinks the only reason he is up is because of Skye's power play.


As for the 'fuck off ryan that is so annoying.'

Now the tone of saying fuck off varies. What she said here was in direct response to Ryan's continued verbal attack on her. It wasn't mean or angry, it wasn't used in an angry way.

Sandra had just had a go at her, maybe some what on point, but ignoring the context that what happened was Ryan having a go at her for an innocent and harmless comment.

David then made his stupid jump in point.

David:
And to not talk to someone as well Skye. Like then.. like we’re all in the same house. Let’s all try and at least talk to each other and get along with each other. Like be civil at least to everyone, when you have to be their best friend but lets all be civil.

Skye says, "I am so confused." She has looks on her face of trying to understand you can literally see her thinking, 'what the fuck is going on.' She is aware they are ganging up and having a go at her. Then Ryan jumps in, in his condescending manner, 'what are you confused about?'

She tells him in a non aggressive tone, 'fuck off Ryan, that is so annoying.'

They then jump on her for this and Ryan has another go at her.


She then proceeded to pull her "I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING!" crap despite the fact that the other HMs had just seen her calculated and completely well thought out nominations. They know she's been dumbing herself down for a strategy now (like David said, she's not an idiot at all) and he called her on it. I'm sorry if you believe that poor little innocent Skye couldn't handle the truth but if you want to play the game then you have to be prepared for the consequences. Imagine if David had have thrown Skye under the bus last night like she did to him? Or the way she threw Priya under the bus tonight? He wouldn't get away with it...and yet Skye does but people are finally starting to wake up to it. Good for them. I like Skye usually but she should just own it like the others do instead of putting on an act.

Ah see, so you're now jumping on the no win, 'Skye is faking and so you can blame her for everything' bandwagon. Skye in the nomination room is the same Skye we see in the show. How many times have we seen Skye nominate and fumble and get confused while nominating? Almost every week. The video was just the most coherent parts. She is capable of having thoughts and opinions.

Her issues aren't her dumbing it down, she had some issues with social interactions and conversations. Which is why what Ryan was doing was so bad. He was going out of his way to play on this, to make her feel bad, to twist and dismiss her words to have a go at her. They look pleasure in her being intimidated and confused. We saw the footage of that, of their conversations right after.

You are also placing observations and comments about things that didn't happen.

You're going to have to refresh me, but when did Skye throw David under the Bus? When did she throw Priya under the bus? Can you please elaborate.

I am not sure what you think Skye isn't owning? The conversation was not about her being fake or playing the game. Ryan made a comment, she went to contribute and got Ryan being a passive aggressive arsehole talking down to her.
 
How was she acting ridiculous?

She wasn't claiming Ryan was attacking her, he made a comment and she followed up with a comment directly related to what he said and he then went off at her. Now in light of a conversation we just saw him have, of course he was talking about her. We just watched him have a conversation about how she is fake and playing the game and he isn't going to accept it or whatever he was saying. So it is not hard to assume there is a direct link due.

What was her lie? I don't see in anyway her comments about the reaction and what she saw as they left the room as being a lie. They went in the room and were congratulating themselves on being mean to her and even Sandra made comment about how excited she was at some of the things Ryan said.

Now you mentioning bullying.

If you seriously think she was being bullied because someone was trying to speak with her calmly yet truthfully (when she had 3 people physically surrounding her in support) then we should probably just agree to disagree because we both clearly saw that entire exchange (and what led up to it) very differently.
 
Oh no, I wasn't referring to your comments, or anyone in the DS thread really (I have trouble keeping up with what's said there anyway lol). It was more the comments I've seen in here...people getting the shits with him for "aligning" himself with the other group.

I absolutely, 100% understand your point that it doesn't look good for him to the audience him hanging around with Sandra and Ryan, however I'm not really sure what people expect him to do? We only see a highly edited version of their day...what's he going to do? Not speak to them at all in fear of the editing team choosing to air a conversation with them he was present for? Yep, the conversations they aired with the three of them were bitchy, and it won't look good for David him being there...however in reality he barely said a word in either exchange. In fact it was pretty much Ryan and Sandra going off on their usual bitches and David sitting their like furniture. He managed to pipe in once, and all he said was that now they know that Skye isn't the blonde bimbo she sells herself as...in fact I'd consider that more a compliment than a bitchy comment myself.

We know he's wanting to support Sandra. That was incredibly obvious last night. He said he felt helpless not being able to do anything for her and kept asking people where she was. I'm pretty sure Sam also asked him to look after her when he left and David doesn't seem like the type to me who would not look after a friend that needed support. For me it wasn't David choosing their "side" but more David choosing to spend time with his friend who needed support (and of course Ryan was there as well because he said himself that he prefers spending time with Sandra). If you look at the exchange in front of the stairs...it's Sandra that David walks right up to and links arms with. It's not like he went and stood right behind Ryan and was firing shots at Skye. In fact the only thing he said was that they all needed to be civil.

I guess I'm just struggling to see why he's getting so much crap for spending time with people from the "cool" group when in reality he is no doubt just trying to be a good supportive friend to his emotionally unstable former partner.

Either way if David survives next week I'm pretty certain Sandra will both gone so if people are having concerns then it won't be there much longer. Either David will be gone (hope not!) or the only person in there he thinks is his friend will be. I'm not sure how I feel about that to be honest. On one hands it'll probably be good for his game being completely on the outer but on the other I hate seeing people isolated.

You have no idea how much I LOVE this. For real.
 
I don't think he said anything that bad. Calling her out for being strategic? By saying that she was smarter than she pretended to be? Saying she was Strategic Skye wasn't even an insult to her and she's called him Strategic Dave before (how is that different??)

Skye said just as much to Ryan. There was no bullying. Enough with that word. Ryan was actually having a conversation with her and she was making as many provoking comments. It was a circular argument between the both of them and you're letting your bias of Ryan I believe influence you here. (and I can't even stand the guy)

You think there was something wrong with David trying to say not to overreact and they should all be civil? You don't think that was the voice of reason in that point in time?

As for Sandra, that has nothing to do with David. That's Sandra. She's responsible for herself. I don't even like Sandra but Skye flew at her first regarding sulking etc. You don't think that's inflammatory?

I believe you're looking at a 2-sided argument and buying into the 'Skye is a victim' thing.

Well David said his comment was said to Rile her up. So we know his intention.

I admit I have some bias towards Ryan but looking back at the video, the transcript he was being a major arsehole to her. It was passive aggressive intimidation to make her look and feel stupid. It was only circular as in Ryan was repeatedly having goes at her which made much sense and she was just, 'what the fuck is going on.'


David's comment was just stupid. It was jumping on to try and make Skye look bad. She was clearly very confused by why he was saying that after. In fact she said, 'I am so confused.' Ryan and what Dave was saying was trying to take Skye's words, imposing meaning which wasn't there, twist and have a go at her.


But this is like what I don’t understand. You say things and then..


But you just said every time, you just said the reason why we don’t get along.. I wasn’t aware that we don’t get along. But I don’t feel like you’re attacking me. I think every time I talk, you think I am attacking you.


Nah I just feel that every time we talk I’m having to explain myself and justify my answer.


Ok.. well then don’t talk to me.


Ok, that’s fine. If that’s what you want. See I just feel like that again and that’s like a really immature response…. Like that, that ok, don’t talk to me. I don’t get that.


Then Dave

And to not talk to someone as well Skye. Like then.. like we’re all in the same house. Let’s all try and at least talk to each other and get along with each other. Like be civil at least to everyone, when you have to be their best friend but lets all be civil.

He was jumping on the point Ryan made, trying to expand it to have a go at Skye. You can not watch the video and think Skye really intended to never speak to David. Infact her comment was, 'then don't talk to me.' Directly after Ryan was complaining about talking to her.

She didn't even say she wasn't going to speak to Ryan. David is jumping on the way Ryan immediately re-framed it to have a go at Skye.




The Sandra thing, was a bit out of line, but it's in the context of Ryan trying to say, 'if I said that... blah blah blah.' So Skye was making a point that if she was doing what someone in the room had just been doing, she would have been treated different.

Also Skye kind if didn't fly at her first, Sandra was tagged into the talking down, backing up Ryan first. It was unnecessary but when you rewatch you can see why she was inclined to go off. Ryan was making a point almost as if Skye gets away with things. She was saying, no, if I did that (pointing at Sandra) i'd be getting shit.
 
If you seriously think she was being bullied because someone was trying to speak with her calmly yet truthfully (when she had 3 people physically surrounding her in support) then we should probably just agree to disagree because we both clearly saw that entire exchange (and what led up to it) very differently.


I didn't bring it up, but that was a situation where he was trying to intimidate and dominate. There is a direct link between that definition of bullying and what Ryan was doing though.

There's a difference between talking calm fully and being a mean passive aggressive arsehole. It was disingenuous because he jumped on something she said to work out his aggression. There was nothing truthful about it at all. He took an opportunity to try and make her look dumb, fell dumb in front of a group of people. Where no one would call him out.
 
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I don't get why so many people are saying David has joined the dark-side. David isn't on ANY side...he has been a lone wolf this whole game. Unfortunately, he still has some loyalty to Hot-mess...which is burning him now. Just because he was being supportive to the albatross, by leaving with her and Ryan, doesn't mean he is in the Brotherhood of Hate Whispers. He is not the miserable, mean-girls that Ryan and Albatross are. Or the manipulative, egomaniacs that Sam and Lawson are. Or the condescending jerks that all four of them are. (Don't even get me started on Lisa...) He has been ganged up on by them more than most and has confronted them when they were ganging up on others. He has tried to give everyone a chance...even after no one would give him one...and tries to keep the peace and make sure everyone is heard. So it pisses me off that because he supported Hot-mess...during a moment when he felt she needed it, and tried to interject a voice of reason during someone else's argument...like he has done many times before, he is being labeled a bully and "turning to the dark-side". It's total bullshit. He is guilty by association if anything...his blind loyalty to the Albatross is just that...blind. He doesn't realize that the support isn't mutual...in fact, with Sam gone...he probably thinks it has strengthened. Just because she is bringing him down, doesn't mean he is stooping to their level...or deserves the flack he is getting.
 
I don't get why so many people are saying David has joined the dark-side. David isn't on ANY side...he has been a lone wolf this whole game. Unfortunately, he still has some loyalty to Hot-mess...which is burning him now. Just because he was being supportive to the albatross, by leaving with her and Ryan, doesn't mean he is in the Brotherhood of Hate Whispers. He is not the miserable, mean-girls that Ryan and Albatross are. Or the manipulative, egomaniacs that Sam and Lawson are. Or the condescending jerks that all four of them are. (Don't even get me started on Lisa...) He has been ganged up on by them more than most and has confronted them when they were ganging up on others. He has tried to give everyone a chance...even after no one would give him one...and tries to keep the peace and make sure everyone is heard. So it pisses me off that because he supported Hot-mess...during a moment when he felt she needed it, and tried to interject a voice of reason during someone else's argument...like he has done many times before, he is being labeled a bully and "turning to the dark-side". It's total bullshit. He is guilty by association if anything...his blind loyalty to the Albatross is just that...blind. He doesn't realize that the support isn't mutual...in fact, with Sam gone...he probably thinks it has strengthened. Just because she is bringing him down, doesn't mean he is stooping to their level...or deserves the flack he is getting.
Just wait until after Sandra is evicted (that means we better save his ass!) and hopefully all will be right in the world again. David hasn't changed, but him being around her is affecting his game. Btw, I want to bring this up. Sam was seen as the alpha male and he asked David to take care of Sandra when he was evicted. David being David, therefore loyal and dutiful, feels like he should take this role on, because as we know Sandra needs a crutch apparently to carry on in the bb house. Yes it's childish to poke fun a her for this, but believe me, this is tame to what I really would say lol. The point is David is a gentleman and he sees Sandra crumbling, I don't expect him to just leave her side, and if he did, it wouldn't be who he is and the person I am gunning for. He felt Sandra needed his support and he gave her that. Even thinking about his letter, he put others before himself. But now I want her gone so I can see David focus on him and him alone. And he wont do that with Sandr around
 
I don't get why so many people are saying David has joined the dark-side. David isn't on ANY side...he has been a lone wolf this whole game. Unfortunately, he still has some loyalty to Hot-mess...which is burning him now. Just because he was being supportive to the albatross, by leaving with her and Ryan, doesn't mean he is in the Brotherhood of Hate Whispers. He is not the miserable, mean-girls that Ryan and Albatross are. Or the manipulative, egomaniacs that Sam and Lawson are. Or the condescending jerks that all four of them are. (Don't even get me started on Lisa...) He has been ganged up on by them more than most and has confronted them when they were ganging up on others. He has tried to give everyone a chance...even after no one would give him one...and tries to keep the peace and make sure everyone is heard. So it pisses me off that because he supported Hot-mess...during a moment when he felt she needed it, and tried to interject a voice of reason during someone else's argument...like he has done many times before, he is being labeled a bully and "turning to the dark-side". It's total bullshit. He is guilty by association if anything...his blind loyalty to the Albatross is just that...blind. He doesn't realize that the support isn't mutual...in fact, with Sam gone...he probably thinks it has strengthened. Just because she is bringing him down, doesn't mean he is stooping to their level...or deserves the flack he is getting.

Unfortunately to a large majority of BB fans you're deemed more worthy of saving if you only cling to the "good" group and either completely ignore or attack the other...rather than if you're someone that's happy to put the ridiculous group stuff to the side to offer support for someone on the "other side" so to speak.

I'm not gonna lie, I haven't given up by any stretch but after looking at the betting odds and reading the ridiculous comments on FB I think David is in real danger of leaving next week. Not through any fault of his own though IMO, it's just the nature of the fickle general voting public.

Either way he should be absolutely proud of himself. It certainly hasn't been easy for him in there and in my opinion he's killed it :)
 
Unfortunately to a large majority of BB fans you're deemed more worthy of saving if you only cling to the "good" group and either completely ignore or attack the other...rather than if you're someone that's happy to put the ridiculous group stuff to the side to offer support for someone on the "other side" so to speak.

I'm not gonna lie, I haven't given up by any stretch but after looking at the betting odds and reading the ridiculous comments on FB I think David is in real danger of leaving next week. Not through any fault of his own though IMO, it's just the nature of the fickle general voting public.

I have the utmost respect for him for potentially hurting his own game to support another person (even if she doesn't deserve it).

Either way he should be absolutely proud of himself. It certainly hasn't been easy for him in there and in my opinion he's killed it :)

LOL, I must be tired reading the forum. I read FBI.
 
Just wait until after Sandra is evicted (that means we better save his ass!) and hopefully all will be right in the world again. David hasn't changed, but him being around her is affecting his game. Btw, I want to bring this up. Sam was seen as the alpha male and he asked David to take care of Sandra when he was evicted. David being David, therefore loyal and dutiful, feels like he should take this role on, because as we know Sandra needs a crutch apparently to carry on in the bb house. Yes it's childish to poke fun a her for this, but believe me, this is tame to what I really would say lol. The point is David is a gentleman and he sees Sandra crumbling, I don't expect him to just leave her side, and if he did, it wouldn't be who he is and the person I am gunning for. He felt Sandra needed his support and he gave her that. Even thinking about his letter, he put others before himself. But now I want her gone so I can see David focus on him and him alone. And he wont do that with Sandr around

I love this post! :)

And yours @moon3k in the Sandra tantrums thread :roflmao:
 
I'm honestly tempted to make that magic wand my avatar :hilarious:

Brings back how much I laughed when David said it and with such a straight face, the poor guy didn't even realize the full force of his words.

That would be so funny if you did. If I had the balls to do it...my quote under it would say "Sandra's Magic Wand".

I was going to make a joke about the contents of her nightstand drawer, besides romance novels, and fantasies of special prosthetic wand attachments...but better not "go there" again.
 
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