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Episode Australian Survivor (2016) - Episode 8 Discussion

They kept nick because there was no way production was letting
their best plotter-bigmouth nick go out without his "big bang revenge"
being played out against JL.
They have now saved him twice at tribal. first with the obvious switch
between tribes instead of voting out and then again when the tribe
suddenly switched to tegan "last minute thing" that wasnt shown.

As in any RTV, the production has to ensure their "big players", villains and
storylines stay on for as long as they are needed, until they dump them for
a climax. See the bachelor's Keira fo example.
 
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Good challenge (the last ones really favouring physical strength though), the twist was another swap and that was done more interestingly in the tribal switch episode.

So Nick talked to one of those against him, did she actually come up with a reason why she thought he lied to her?

Don't mind Kat stirring things, that's Survivor. It's interesting to see those at the bottom getting another lease of life, and to see those who were really comfortable floating by suddenly having to work. That's what makes Survivor for me.

I don't agree that the US Survivor has got worse, they've kept the production quality and at least some decent casting and twists. The reason there's an Australian version again is probably due to the success of the US version.

No elimination reminds me of the strangeness of when the Australian Mole returned and I'm pretty sure they did something similar. It's not a good idea in this format. The Amazing Race has non-eliminations but the tension is still held to near the end there. It worked last episode as they had a tribal. It's like those medevac episodes in Survivor it doesn't even go to a tribal, it just feels wrong. The Amazing Race should always have a finish mat, Survivor a tribal, and The Mole an elimination meeting - even if it's revealed that there's no elimination.
 
Rose711 said:
I will never understand the 2-2-2 vote if Tegan was the target. My feeling is that these players are still figuring things out. They maybe decided to keep Nick for strength but Tegan could have done more to save herself including voting for Nick.
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It seemed quite incompetent. Maybe they didn't care which went, but it would seem more sensible to control things fully and even if Nick is on the bottom for them to give him more confidence. It made the vote more exciting so I guess production were happy.
 
yaelros said:
They kept nick because there was no way production was letting
their best plotter-bigmouth nick go out without his "big bang revenge"
being played out against JL.
They have now saved him twice at tribal. first with the obvious switch
between tribes instead of voting out and then again when the tribe
suddenly switched to tegan "last minute thing" that wasnt shown.

As in any RTV, the production has to ensure their "big players", villains and
storylines stay on for as long as they are needed, until they dump them for
a climax. See the bachelor's Keira fo example.
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Feel the caveat "in your opinion" needs adding to that. Although Nick has a storyline going on had he gone he'd soon be forgotten - they're all scheming in some way or another.

I think it would have been very foolish to vote Nick out at that stage with Matt being the only bloke left on the tribe - and as somebody who thinks he is playing the game too Matt knew that he needed Nick around not just for added strength in challenges, but also to hide his own gameplay.

As for production interference - I don't think there's any disguising this on Survivor. The host gives a loaded commentary during challenges highlighting strong and weak players and then asks a series of very loaded questions at tribal, something which is really irritating me.
 
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Tuttle said:
Yes Rohan has an idol. From the ad that I saw, he's really going to need to use it. And there'll be MUD!
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Has he got the idol? How, when! I don't remember any shots of him finding it. He lost the clue, Evan found it and used it to confront Rohan and expose him and Thingo as snakes in front of the others, rather than keep his mouth shut and find the idol himself - then Evan with the clue didn't find the idol and he looked he said, before being voted out. Can't imagine duffer Rohan would have even remembered the clue.
 
Rose711 said:
I will never understand the 2-2-2 vote if Tegan was the target. My feeling is that these players are still figuring things out. They maybe decided to keep Nick for strength but Tegan could have done more to save herself including voting for Nick.
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Tegan wasn't the target. Kylie or Nick were. The idea was to flush out the idol - and/or lull Kylie into thinking they were splitting the vote Tegan/Nick and boot her then if she didn't use it. Either way, they'd flush the idol or get her out, and if she played it flick Nick on the revote. But then Nick's value as a strong member started to hold more sway with the girls who'd wanted to keep Tegan, and they followed Matt's cue to keep Nick on the revote. It makes a sort of sense...
 
Brekkie said:
Feel the caveat "in your opinion" needs adding to that. Although Nick has a storyline going on had he gone he'd soon be forgotten - they're all scheming in some wya or another.

I think it would have been very foolish to vote Nick out at that stage with Matt being the only bloke left on the tribe - and as somebody who thinks he is playing the game too Matt knew that he needed Nick around not just for added strength in challenges, but also to hide
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Foolish maybe for Matt but not for the tribe. Tegan was harmless and you could easily have pulled her in. Nick is aproblem.

Melore said:
Tegan wasn't the target. Kylie or Nick were. The idea was to flush out the idol - and/or lull Kylie into thinking they were splitting the vote Tegan/Nick and boot her then if she didn't use it. Either way, they'd flush the idol or get her out, and if she played it flick Nick on the revote. But then Nick's value as a strong member started to hold more sway with the girls who'd wanted to keep Tegan, and they followed Matt's cue to keep Nick on the revote. It makes a sort of sense...
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It's incompetent but entertaining. Why they wrote Tegans name down at all is funny, but Tegan didn't write down Nicks name so she deserved to go.
I love how Nick is all about " his alliance" when he barely survived tribal.
Why did they care so much about flushing the idol of their tribe mate? It's always good to know where the idol is when the person isn't coming after you. Why was she such an idiot to wear it?
It's a comedy of errors but filled with drama.
 
Rose711 said:
It's incompetent but entertaining. Why they wrote Tegans name down at all is funny, but Tegan didn't write down Nicks name so she deserved to go.
I love how Nick is all about " his alliance" when he barely survived tribal.
Why did they care so much about flushing the idol of their tribe mate? It's always good to know where the idol is when the person isn't coming after you. Why was she such an idiot to wear it?
It's a comedy of errors but filled with drama.
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Yeah, I think there is a lot of theory - you flush idols! - and not much forethought or intuition. Luckly Kylie used her intuiton and played it. Her head was on the chopping block before she found it. She's been on the outer for ages, possible because she's older and more mature than the dominant alliance on Snapple. I don't think in her position it was such a bad idea to wear it at that point, to fend off a vote or two - like firing a warning shot off the bows. I can't wait to see her get new life with the added tribe members, but it won't be for long, unless someone wises up and flicks Flick! (And/or Brooke. I actually find her more painful than Flick.)

I found Tegan really dull and unwilling to make moves. She didn't want to get the clue to the hidden idol immunity with Nick, and then she didn't make a case for herself to stay that we saw at Tribal. I guess the cock-eyed voting plan, and the friendliness and the bonding against Nick with Flick and Brooke, gave her a false sense of safety.
 
Melore said:
Yeah, I think there is a lot of theory - you flush idols! - and not much forethought or intuition. Luckly Kylie used her intuiton and played it. Her head was on the chopping block before she found it. She's been on the outer for ages, possible because she's older and more mature than the dominant alliance on Snapple. I don't think in her position it was such a bad idea to wear it at that point, to fend off a vote or two - like firing a warning shot off the bows. I can't wait to see her get new life with the added tribe members, but it won't be for long, unless someone wises up and flicks Flick! (And/or Brooke. I actually find her more painful than Flick.)

I found Tegan really dull and unwilling to make moves. She didn't want to get the clue to the hidden idol immunity with Nick, and then she didn't make a case for herself to stay that we saw at Tribal. I guess the cock-eyed voting plan, and the friendliness and the bonding against Nick with Flick and Brooke, gave her a false sense of safety.
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Wearing the idol is asking for votes and giving up any control over who goes home. if they are going to vote for you anyway and you are going to play it, wearing it makes no sense. She just allowed them to use the split vote which they may not have done otherwise.

It's also not using the idol to gain allies.
It's ok because she made it one more tribal but she's a not good player. At least she didn't get voted out with it in her pocket!
 
Rose711 said:
Wearing the idol is asking for votes and giving up any control over who goes home. if they are going to vote for you anyway and you are going to play it, wearing it makes no sense. She just allowed them to use the split vote which they may not have done otherwise.

It's also not using the idol to gain allies.
It's ok because she made it one more tribal but she's a not good player. At least she didn't get voted out with it in her pocket!
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Well, she used it as a bluff, as per poker, is my view. They knew she had it, or believed she had it, so no need to hide it, you could say. It's not a classic move, by any means, but she made a plucky little move, anyway.

Kylie in that tribe, for whatever reason, was not going to gain allies. They don't like her. She annoys them.
 
And (from my recall) she didn't wear it this tribal. She wore it at the tribal that ended up sending no-one home, but not at this tribal. Who knows how that would have panned out if they'd got to vote, therefore. In that instance, I think it was a good enough plan.
 
Melore said:
And (from my recall) she didn't wear it this tribal. She wore it at the tribal that ended up sending no-one home, but not at this tribal. Who knows how that would have panned out if they'd got to vote, therefore. In that instance, I think it was a good enough plan.
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Yes she wore it at the previous tribal. Maybe they didn't vote for her but there was so much fighting at tribal. (I wonder if she would have played it if the votes counted for elimination and he asked for idols. I'm guessing she would. )It might actually have been to her advantage to be moved to another tribe as she was on the bottom of this one.
 
Rose711 said:
Yes she wore it at the previous tribal. Maybe they didn't vote for her but there was so much fighting at tribal. (I wonder if she would have played it if the votes counted for elimination and he asked for idols. I'm guessing she would. )It might actually have been to her advantage to be moved to another tribe as she was on the bottom of this one.
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Yeah, I wish she'd taken the opportunity to leave Snapple when offered it, this time round. And I wish they'd (well Matt) had sent her to Vulva instead of Connor then.

I really like Kylie and hope she gets to stick around until there's another tribal swipswap!
 
The ads for Sunday look good. Apparently it's going to be the biggest blunder ever seen on Survivor. That is a big call.

I tell you I am officially addicted to Survivor now. I am going to get withdrawal symptoms on the days it isn't shown. I can't believe that this is the first time I have ever watched it.
 
FatPants said:
The ads for Sunday look good. Apparently it's going to be the biggest blunder ever seen on Survivor. That is a big call.

I tell you I am officially addicted to Survivor now. I am going to get withdrawal symptoms on the days it isn't shown. I can't believe that this is the first time I have ever watched it.
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I can't see the ads. Who are they talking about?
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For the record since you don't watch survivor, some big blunders include:

Giving away individual immunity only to be voted out (yes he won immunity, was convinced to give it up, got blindsided)

Getting blindsided with 2 idols in your pocket (also people often get blindsided with 1 idol, but two idols is ridiculous)

Accidentally voting yourself out by switching your vote(its complicated)

Giving away your immunity idol to the other tribe only to have it used to blindside you at the merge (yes, this actually happened)

Taking the wrong(admired) person to final 2 and losing the million when if you took the other (hated)person you would win the million

Lesser blunders:
Saying "stick to the plan" in tribal council and revealing your previously hidden, secret alliance causing your son to be eliminated

Oh, and winning a reward challenge and then eating so much beef your intestines basically freeze so you have to be evacuated (happened at least 2 times, 1 of which the guy was a sure final 3-$85,000)
 
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Rose711 said:
I can't see the ads. Who are they talking about?
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For the record since you don't watch survivor, some big blunders include:

Giving away individual immunity only to be voted out (yes he won immunity, was convinced to give it up, got blindsided)

Getting blindsided with 2 idols in your pocket (also people often get blindsided with 1 idol, but two idols is ridiculous)

Accidentally voting yourself out by switching your vote(its complicated)

Giving away your immunity idol to the other tribe only to have it used to blindside you at the merge (yes, this actually happened)

Taking the wrong(admired) person to final 2 and losing the million when if you took the other (hated)person you would win the million

Lesser blunders:
Saying "stick to the plan" in tribal council and revealing your previously hidden, secret alliance causing your son to be eliminated

Oh, and winning a reward challenge and then eating so much beef your intestines basically freeze so you have to be evacuated (happened at least 2 times, 1 of which the guy was a sure final 3-$85,000)
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Oh my goodness...some of those blunders are epic! Thanks for that.

So the ad is only on tenplay at the moment so I can't embed the video but the link is here. Not sure if you can view it?

http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/australian-survivor/extra/season-1/ep-9-sneak-peek
 
Veronica2005 said:
@Rose711 are you able to watch Aust Survivor on tenplay?
http://tenplay.com.au/channel-ten/australian-survivor/season-1/episode-8

https://twitter.com/x/status/773264802873507840
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Nope I can't get that, but I can watch what you posted.
The strategy might be very lacking but the human drama and good challenges make up for it. Survivor US can sometimes devolve into extended and tedious strategy talk and we miss sometimes camp life and individual stories.

This season is very early and I'm wondering if the winner has yet to really emerge? We have a long way to go to the actual merge and jury. Probably merge at 11 or 12 so we still have to lose half the cast or 9? more people.

I dismiss Kylie as way over edited with her speeches and poor play. But she might be just the thing for Survivor Australia. She would not rate on US Survivor probably because the shows not new here and she would be seen as "hotdogging" or "grandstanding" with her speeches. It's so interesting to see the difference. Nick has way too much focus and I can't see him sustaining it.

I'm worried about the core blue sticking together and that the decision to let them handpick their tribe is going to control the next 3rd or more of the season. They have a huge advantage.

But I think this season is about character and drama and adventure with less emphasis on strategy. The strategic over players with little social skills are not wanted/ pushed out - see Bianca and then Evan, Connor and Nick all voted out of their tribes one right after the other (even though Conner and Nick weren't evicted because of the switch, their tribes didn't want them.)

As you can tell from my millions of posts, I'm supporting this show as much as I can. So when I say the strategy is bad - which it has been- it's not meant as an affront to the show.

I'm just so happy that I get to watch and discuss another show with you guys.( Plus I had minor dental surgery yesterday and have been at home most of the day obsessing over this show while resting on meds. No way I can sustain this level of intensity after this- but I do love it.)
 
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