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Big brother is a 12 month turn around, especially with the original format…

° They need 12 months to plan the whole season (nominations, evictions, rewards, challenges, twists etc)
° It takes 6 months to build the house.
° It takes 2-4 months for casting (if they’re doing a casting call, I expect it’ll be the day after the hold back is done. They’ll need 4-8 weeks to do a national casting and 4-8 weeks of doing call backs)
° They need time to do camera run testing in the house/stage and planing where all the cameras are going.
° Not to mention they need approval of all of this (could take a few months)
° They’ll most likely get funding from screen Australia to help cover some costs.
° Find sponsors and lock all that in.
 
So none of this stuff can be done by channel ten until the contract ends with channel seven? - no planning etc?
 
Isee said:
So none of this stuff can be done by channel ten until the contract ends with channel seven? - no planning etc?
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Correct. But if all parties has an agreement or resolution, then they could technically start working on it… 10 would be hoping that’s the case before the year ends..

I’m guessing 7 will still want the hold back clause in place until mid 25.
 
BBAU25 said:
Big brother is a 12 month turn around, especially with the original format…

° They need 12 months to plan the whole season (nominations, evictions, rewards, challenges, twists etc)
° It takes 6 months to build the house.
° It takes 2-4 months for casting (if they’re doing a casting call, I expect it’ll be the day after the hold back is done. They’ll need 4-8 weeks to do a national casting and 4-8 weeks of doing call backs)
° They need time to do camera run testing in the house/stage and planing where all the cameras are going.
° Not to mention they need approval of all of this (could take a few months)
° They’ll most likely get funding from screen Australia to help cover some costs.
° Find sponsors and lock all that in.
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Whilst I don't disagree it's a 12 month process the house itself can be built relatively quickly - it's acquiring the location and planning it which will take the time, and of course hiring the relevant tradies.

Similarly with casting that process can be done much quicker nowadays, especially if you make use of existing casting agents who could probably give you a list of HMs tomorrow. It's probably the logistics that takes the time - giving the HMs the time to sort things out to leave their lives for 3 months.

Of course though just because certain things can be done quickly doesn't mean they should (especially with casting) - much better to get a decent product out six months late than a clearly rushed product on time.
 
Brekkie said:
Whilst I don't disagree it's a 12 month process the house itself can be built relatively quickly - it's acquiring the location and planning it which will take the time, and of course hiring the relevant tradies.

Similarly with casting that process can be done much quicker nowadays, especially if you make use of existing casting agents who could probably give you a list of HMs tomorrow. It's probably the logistics that takes the time - giving the HMs the time to sort things out to leave their lives for 3 months.

Of course though just because certain things can be done quickly doesn't mean they should (especially with casting) - much better to get a decent product out six months late than a clearly rushed product on time.
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Agree. Since the announcement I am sure there have been a lot of behind closed door meetings in regards to this holdback. Could literally be a case of financial payment to aid in breaking the holdback earlier. Its not 10's fault, Endemol are the ones who buggered up. Ten will be telling them they need to sort it.

Although its cheeky, there is nothing preventing Endemol from doing the planning in covert behind closed doors (house design and planning etc) They could already start getting a crew together with NDA's attached that prevent Seven or the outer world knowing about it.
You would be surprised the amount of dodgy stuff that happens behind the scenes, media can be shady and production even more to get the financial outcomes that need to happen.
In regards to the house build @BBAU25 im sorry but it does not take 6 months. 3 months minimum if well planned would be achievable.
Also in the year of 2024/25 the "production build" will be nowhere near as what it was in 2014. Technology these days allows a lot of cloud based production, they don't need to build a production studio like once was at Dreamworld.
Unsure what you have been basing your information on, or where these guesses are coming from, but I am not writing off a 2025 series. Is early 2026 a possibility, yeah it is, but its still 12 months away and we don't know whats happening behind closed doors. So lets not shit on the parade at this point.
 
matts bb said:
Agree. Since the announcement I am sure there have been a lot of behind closed door meetings in regards to this holdback. Could literally be a case of financial payment to aid in breaking the holdback earlier. Its not 10's fault, Endemol are the ones who buggered up. Ten will be telling them they need to sort it.
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And there can be none financial trade offs too as undoubtedly Seven and Banijay/Endemol Shine have a long standing working relationship themselves and their major announcements in the Upfronts this week were Banijay formats.
 
Regarding the timeline for a house, I seem to recall Seven needed to put in a Development Application for the house in the pavilion at Olympic Park. Councils aren't exactly known for their speed.
 
Brekkie said:
That's not how it works.

That seems the worst line up from C7 in a number of years - the headlines being one contestant on DWTS and a MAFS rip off they already announced a year ago and kept on the shelf says it all.
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From a contractual perspective, that is exactly how that works. There would be a provision in the broadcasting rights agreement which effectively says they can waive the holdback period if they choose to do so.
 
BBAU25 said:
Big brother is a 12 month turn around, especially with the original format…

° They need 12 months to plan the whole season (nominations, evictions, rewards, challenges, twists etc)
° It takes 6 months to build the house.
° It takes 2-4 months for casting (if they’re doing a casting call, I expect it’ll be the day after the hold back is done. They’ll need 4-8 weeks to do a national casting and 4-8 weeks of doing call backs)
° They need time to do camera run testing in the house/stage and planing where all the cameras are going.
° Not to mention they need approval of all of this (could take a few months)
° They’ll most likely get funding from screen Australia to help cover some costs.
° Find sponsors and lock all that in.
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Production planner does not warrant 12 months. Nominations and evictions are built in to the format it’s ridiculous to suggest they require 12 months to make happen.

The original BBAU house was built from scratch in 10 weeks. Planning permissions, design, etc may add some additional time, however all of that, including the build can completed as other pre-production work is completed. Consider that in the past work in the house has been completed up to the last moment before HM’s have entered. Your suggestion of a 6 month timeframe is arbitrary. Testing etc is simply part of the process and at this point enough houses have been built and equipment streamlined that it can simply be baked in to the build. Also consider working within an existing stage/structure would significantly reduce if not completely eliminate the need for planning permissions altogether.

As for casting the timelines you’re providing are once again arbitrary. Considering in the modern era most people cast on reality TV are cast out of a pool, some having not even auditioned for the show they’ve been cast on, if not outright recruited it’s ridiculous to suggest they don’t have ways of streamlining the process and/or working with a quick turnaround.

Any other grunt work/funding/pre-production etc can be done simultaneously and wouldn’t add additional time requirements to the launch process. It’s not as if 10/ESA don’t already have existing relationships they could leverage that would help simplify and streamline the process. 10 wouldn’t have made the decision to pick up the show if they thought funding/sponsorships were going to be an issue.
 
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BBFan2021 said:
From a contractual perspective, that is exactly how that works. There would be a provision in the broadcasting rights agreement which effectively says they can waive the holdback period if they choose to do so.
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They aren’t simply going to “waive” their rights out of the kindness of their hearts. We’re talking about businesses here not some sort of handshake deal you might have with family or friends. 10 is going to have to offer up something and 7 would need to accept that in exchange for said waiver in order for any agreement/contract to be valid.
 
Brekkie said:
There is no point adding a holdback clause to a contract if you're just going to waive it with nothing in return.
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A holdback clause is a right, not an obligation. Contracts rights can be waived if the waiver is provided under their rights agreement.

Kingston said:
They aren’t simply going to “waive” their rights out of the kindness of their hearts. We’re talking about businesses here not some sort of handshake deal you might have with family or friends. 10 is going to have to offer up something and 7 would need to accept that in exchange for said waiver in order for any agreement/contract to be valid.
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This is true. It would be uncommercial for 7 to waive their rights under their rights agreement without something from 10, as 7 paid for those rights in full until the end of the holdback period. However, 10 is not a party to 7's rights agreement which is directly between 7 and the owners of the BB broadcasting rights and a separate agreement between 10 and 7 would need to be made. Possibly to buy out 7's existing/remaining rights under 7's existing agreement.

This is just all legal conjecture though and 7 and 10 will do whatever is in their commercial interests at the end of the day.
 
BBFan2021 said:
A holdback clause is a right, not an obligation. Contracts rights can be waived if the waiver is provided under their rights agreement.


This is just all legal conjecture though and 7 and 10 will do whatever is in their commercial interests at the end of the day.
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You’re literally splitting hairs and you’re last statement seems to contradict your underlying argument.
 
Kingston said:
The keys to any contract are consideration and acceptance.
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If we are splitting hairs, the actual keys to any contract are (1) offer and acceptance (2) consideration (3) intention and (4) capacity.

Kingston said:
You’re literally splitting hairs and you’re last statement seems to contradict your underlying argument.
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What they do commercially (subjective) is not the same concept as what they are allowed to do legally as parties free to contract with any other parties (objective).
 
Isee said:
So none of this stuff can be done by channel ten until the contract ends with channel seven? - no planning etc?
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Channel 10 can do anything they want, they don't have a contract with Seven. It's EndemolShine that has the contract. That's why the announcement video was deleted from the social media accounts that are run by EndemolShine, but not from the ones run by 10. If 10 wanted to, they could scout a location and cast people for the show on their own and tell EndemolShine to make it work once their contractual obligations ended. It's just not the way things usually work. Usually you pay the production company to do work for you while they consult you.

BBAU25 said:
Big brother is a 12 month turn around, especially with the original format…
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There are a few European versions that had a 3-month turnaround for their inaugural season/comeback seasons.
 
kamui said:
Channel 10 can do anything they want, they don't have a contract with Seven. It's EndemolShine that has the contract. That's why the announcement video was deleted from the social media accounts that are run by EndemolShine, but not from the ones run by 10. If 10 wanted to, they could scout a location and cast people for the show on their own and tell EndemolShine to make it work once their contractual obligations ended. It's just not the way things usually work. Usually you pay the production company to do work for you while they consult you.



There are a few European versions that had a 3-month turnaround for their inaugural season/comeback seasons.
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10 has paid over $20 million for the rights of BB, they aren’t going to rush it and make it flop! They’re listening to the hardcore bb fans and they know what to expect with the original format, they know it’s not a quick turnaround.. They literally signed the contract with ESA 2 days before the upfront and Mel only found out within a day she was hosting the show..
 
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