In Defence Of Cat & Lawson

[kappuccino]

Seriously?!

That's five years. Her first love. The best thing for his gf to be humiliated and disrespected like that? To have your heart torn in front of everyone because now everyone knows your business? She will forever be changed by this. The part of her that would have been carefree and open to life and the people in it, will be tainted by this. I imagine the person she was will not be the same but not in a better way. That hurt exists within her now but I hope she finds someone who can love her and only her so she does get to experience that forever in her life, but this experience will leave damage and the people responding to this, identify with this just as I do. So don't tell people to build a bridge and get over it as if their point is not valid. Like me, others see real people with real lives outside of bb who will go through some real emotions, we can see past the bb side of things and identify with them on a human scale. I just want you to understand this. Because you might see only the bb side of it and the game and the social aspect within the house, but for others it also means we relate to these people beyond that and that's what bb is supposed to also be about, good or bad.

No offense but how do you know if her heart has been torn open or not? Do you know her? Did you understand the dynamics of their relationship? Do you know either of them in the real world? You are making the assumption that she is now going to be forever a changed woman because her boyfriend cheated on her on the BB show? I am sensing a lot of assumptions without any real knowledge of what you are talking about.

 

[natalia]

True Love?

Nah.

Anyone who thinks these two dumb shits are in love is actually pissing me off.
Love that starts with cheating, betrayal and greed is worth as much as my dogs shit...NOTHING.

Any girl who actually falls for a guy who cheated on his girlfriend to be with her is an idiot.

 

[Sweetgeek]

Yeah to be honest, I have been in situations and I am not the healthiest person when it comes to relationships. However I have been in situations where I could cheat, with someone I had previously liked and it wasn't on national TV. You know better and what is right.

Hell I went overseas last year while in a terrible state of a relationship where I had 99% certainty she wouldn't be waiting for me when I returned many months later. I could have easily cheated many times. However those opportunities come, in hindsight you can kind of kick yourself, but if you have some self control. You can stop yourself. In the end she broke up with my while I was there and so all bets were off, but I am glad I waited until after I was out of the relationship.

Lawson should be able to control himself. It's not hard to stop these things. However some people don't have the barrier in their head that can be a big 'No.'



Side note, wasn't his whole crying about how he let people down? Not about what he thought?

I think he only feels remorse when he thinks about how he looks, not that what he is doing is wrong. It's like a child, they cry because you are upset with them not because they care what they did was wrong. His mind has not grasped that maturity level I guess. But that is a cop out of a blame, even as I type this I don't believe it myself

 

[Columbo]

Lawson only showed remorse in the diary room.

 

[l.a.r.a]

I agree. I am not about to call Cat a skank nor about to call Lawson a knob based on..? That said, I still stick with my take on Lawson based purely on what I have seen of him regarding this situation. I go with what I have seen in reference to it.Nothing more.

Yes, BB is A GAME but it's also a reality show where people have volunteered themselves up to be scrutinized by the viewing and therefore, in many cases voting public, whose votes go by WHAT they see of these people on the show. As such, if people are going to spend money on voting, it's based on which housemate fits in to their own.. sometimes ethical standards. Clearly those making judgement calls as to cheating etc.. have never cheated on a partner/gf/bf/spouse. (or perhaps have and this is just a "finger-pointing" exercise to help take their minds off their own guilty conscience..lol )

If it helps people to vote with what they saw ok, that's fine.

What I dislike is when people critic and hate without knowing the situation. They put themselves also above others, to me that's wrong. I don't believe the critics are that pure, I don't believe anyone is perfect.

 

[littlebear]

You are assuming that is the situation. Your scenario is tragic yes, but it has no base, you just don't know.

I refuse to judge people on what I don't know. There could be a different scenario where Lawson is the victim in his outside relationship.

You do understand that you are still making a judgment, though, right? And that this judgment is based purely on speculation about someone who has had literally no voice in the situation?

 

[CaspersMum]

No offense but how do you know if her heart has been torn open or not? Do you know her? Did you understand the dynamics of their relationship? Do you know either of them in the real world? You are making the assumption that she is now going to be forever a changed woman because her boyfriend cheated on her on the BB show? I am sensing a lot of assumptions without any real knowledge of what you are talking about.

But you can also flip your response on it's head to say YOU are making assumptions that it HASN'T torn her up and it should be a "shit happens, move on" situation.
Do you know her? See what I mean?
So using this thread to try and sway people's opinions from one side to the other is a pretty fruitless exercise.

 

[Sweetgeek]

No offense but how do you know if her heart has been torn open or not? Do you know her? Did you understand the dynamics of their relationship? Do you know either of them in the real world? You are making the assumption that she is now going to be forever a changed woman because her boyfriend cheated on her on the BB show? I am sensing a lot of assumptions without any real knowledge of what you are talking about.

I don't need to know her, I don't need to see inside her mind or heart to know that what he has done is completely wrong, that the humiliation and the disrespect shown to five years of a relationship which also would be based on a friendship there would be painful to go through. There will be pain and there will be anger, maybe using the word forever is slightly overkill, but the person she was once is not going to be the same now. To put this down as only a game of bb and nothing more, you are very wrong! There is a history there that he basically through in her face as if it was nothing. You can sense whatever you want and assume I know nothing for all I care, but from my own personal knowledge of going through my own journey, I know more than you would assume and this is my interpretation from what I see.

 

[up_all_night]

I think he only feels remorse when he thinks about how he looks, not that what he is doing is wrong. It's like a child, they cry because you are upset with them not because they care what they did was wrong. His mind has not grasped that maturity level I guess. But that is a cop out of a blame, even as I type this I don't believe it myself

You know what though, I think back to life at his age, friends, myself and so forth. People still know better. In hindsight you go, 'it all doesn't matter, silly in the past stuff' but at the time people knew better. Things were big and dramatic.

So I don't really by the immature thing.

 

[l.a.r.a]

But you can also flip your response on it's head to say YOU are making assumptions that it HASN'T torn her up and it should be a "shit happens, move on" situation.
Do you know her? See what I mean?
So using this thread to try and sway people's opinions from one side to the other is a pretty fruitless exercise.

I only say what I think, I don't really care what people think, but if it could help them not to hate, that's good.

I don't assume anything, I just as I said refuse to judge people on a situation I don't know.

 

[Columbo]

You know what though, I think back to life at his age, friends, myself and so forth. People still know better. In hindsight you go, 'it all doesn't matter, silly in the past stuff' but at the time people knew better. Things were big and dramatic.

So I don't really by the immature thing.

I think he will still make the same choices at 33 that he does age 23.

 

[mia]

Oh, I am going to be so hated for this thread, but so what?
Sometimes you can't fight true love - maybe this is what Cat & Lawson have found between them?
Who knows for sure that Candice is really the innocent party, how solid to start with was the relationship with Lawson? How do we know that she wasn't the one who caused the initial split before the reconciliation on the eve of Lawson going into lockdown?
I for one think Cat and Lawson are great together, Clawson is about the only interesting thing in Big Brother 2014 - the producers would agree with me.

Do you really believe what you're saying? Or are you just playing devils advocate?

Whatever reason their relationship had problems, the point is that Lawson and Candice were still IN that relationship when he went into the house. Doesn't matter who did what, when, and with whom... what matters is the definition and the meaning behind the word relationship.

 

[Sweetgeek]

You are assuming that is the situation. Your scenario is tragic yes, but it has no base, you just don't know.

I refuse to judge people on what I don't know. There could be a different scenario where Lawson is the victim in his outside relationship.

It still would not matter, because he walked in the house as a person in a relationship and shown a complete disrespect for the person who he was in that relationship.

But you do judge people on situations you don't know. Just like you judged Mikkayla (imo rightly so ) from last year, without truly knowing the events of what happened and you judged her on the person she is without knowing her life story. Just because this story doesn't meet the requisites for you to make an assumption or a judgment doesn't mean you do not do it.

I'm not spreading my hate, I'm giving my opinion because it has sparked a response within me. I am putting my voice out there how disgusted I am, because I believe you should always voice when something is wrong, and to me this is very wrong.

 

[littlebear]

I only say what I think, I don't really care what people think, but if it could help them not to hate, that's good.

I don't assume anything, I just as I said refuse to judge people on a situation I don't know.

Well, I think you're misjudging distaste for behaviour/a situation for hatred of a person, which, speaking only for myself, I don't have here. Pretty sure I don't need to learn to open my mind on this one.

 

[lillakosti]

I think the argument of 'not knowing the dynamics of their relationship' shouldn't be used by anyone.

Making assumptions that is was falling apart is wrong, as it could have been the exact opposite.

The reality is that we don't know anything. The relationship could have been dead, or they could've been in love. It's a flawed argument because the premise of 'not knowing' cuts both ways.

That being said, if you enter BB with a partner, you should have respect for that relationship NO MATTER how it was on the outside.

 

[Rudiger]

I definitely think what they've done is wrong. I feel very sorry for his girlfriend; it's a very disrespectful and shitty thing to do.

However, in defence of Cat & Lawson, at the end of the day, they're only human and they've made a mistake. A very, very stupid mistake.

But they're gonna pay for it more than most people in their situation...

Pobody's Nerfect!

 

[Columbo]

There is a video on Facebook of Jason walking in on the Clawson bedroom kiss.

 

[l.a.r.a]

It still would not matter, because he walked in the house as a person in a relationship and shown a complete disrespect for the person who he was in that relationship.

But you do judge people on situations you don't know. Just like you judged Mikkayla (imo rightly so ) from last year, without truly knowing the events of what happened and you judged her on the person she is without knowing her life story. Just because this story doesn't meet the requisites for you to make an assumption or a judgment doesn't mean you do not do it.

I'm not spreading my hate, I'm giving my opinion because it has sparked a response within me. I am putting my voice out there how disgusted I am, because I believe you should always voice when something is wrong, and to me this is very wrong.

I disliked Mikkayla when I saw her behavior in the house, not on a maybe situation outside the house.

If people don't hate that is good. I always feel sorry for the family of HMs if they read some comments here.

 

[Sweetgeek]

I disliked Mikkayla when I saw her behavior in the house, not on a maybe situation outside the house.
If people don't hate that is good. I always feel sorry for the family of HMs if they read some comments here.

So do I. I think it would be painful to read things about people you know and care for. And I'm sorry if Lawsons and cats family read these things, best not to come and read though.

 

[kappuccino]

But you can also flip your response on it's head to say YOU are making assumptions that it HASN'T torn her up and it should be a "shit happens, move on" situation.
Do you know her? See what I mean?
So using this thread to try and sway people's opinions from one side to the other is a pretty fruitless exercise.

No you can't because I never made the assumption to begin with.