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kxk
SAPIOSEXUAL
DI will call him, I don't know, but he won't be far, checking on Clara all the time - he loves her, like a Dad.
Maybe he even comes straight back - but previews did look a bit like a no companion ep, they have a day off now and then.
So, tee hee - EGG ECLIPSE tonight,
Sorry, could not resist
Maybe he even comes straight back - but previews did look a bit like a no companion ep, they have a day off now and then.
So, tee hee - EGG ECLIPSE tonight,
Sorry, could not resist
Meglos
HAVE A NECTARINE, GONK
CLASSIC WHO MARATHON
So, I finally finished THE KEYS OF MARINUS.
It was a long 12 days, but not without it's benefits.
The longest story so far with a commentary for every episode (six - the 7 part The Daleks only had commentary for 3), I was pleasantly surprised this time. While it isn't exactly a classic, stories like this are pretty much the backbone of classic Who, and there's nothing wrong with that.
This second story from Terry Nation experiments with the format, taking us to a different location (almost) every week in a quest to find some keys for something, called the Conscience Of Marinus. Along the way we meet strange old men with pretty daughters, attractive men in extremely short shorts, officious lawmen, doddering old judges, ice soldiers, security guards both nasty and nice, scheming couples, thieves, cannibalistic plants, cannibalistic hunters who want to eat Barbara, and Voords. Ah yes, Voords. Terry Nation attemps to replicate the success of the Daleks, but falls quite some distance short with these rubber buffoons. There's an amazing bit in the final episode where one trips over his feet, and another scene where he pretends to be Arbitan, hiding inside a robe too big for him and convincing no one.
William Hartnell goes on vacation for 2 whole episodes, following a shaky start where he trips over his lines more than usual, giving us such classics as "If you had your shoes dear boy you could lend her hers". When he returns later he's recharged and on form, offering us "I can't improve... I can't PROVE at this moment". The regular cast are on form too, Barbara especially getting a good storyline where she dodges an implied rape, of all things.
A lot of the guest actors are familiar faces, The Voords and ice soldiers also appear as different characters in human form. Fiona Walker and Donald Pickering would appear again later, notably in the seventh Doctor's era.
Everything about this story entertained me, but my favourite is the scene on the DVD menu that plays over & over. Arbitan comfronts our regulars and explains that he wants them to help him. Because I watched this on 12 different days, there were times when I left the DVD on while I did other things, leading to my brother seeing this bit over & over seemingly everytime he walked past. So now he says "yes, yes yooooooooooooo must find the KEEEEEYS for me" in a monty-pythonesque voice everytime he sees me.
So, I finally finished THE KEYS OF MARINUS.
It was a long 12 days, but not without it's benefits.
The longest story so far with a commentary for every episode (six - the 7 part The Daleks only had commentary for 3), I was pleasantly surprised this time. While it isn't exactly a classic, stories like this are pretty much the backbone of classic Who, and there's nothing wrong with that.
This second story from Terry Nation experiments with the format, taking us to a different location (almost) every week in a quest to find some keys for something, called the Conscience Of Marinus. Along the way we meet strange old men with pretty daughters, attractive men in extremely short shorts, officious lawmen, doddering old judges, ice soldiers, security guards both nasty and nice, scheming couples, thieves, cannibalistic plants, cannibalistic hunters who want to eat Barbara, and Voords. Ah yes, Voords. Terry Nation attemps to replicate the success of the Daleks, but falls quite some distance short with these rubber buffoons. There's an amazing bit in the final episode where one trips over his feet, and another scene where he pretends to be Arbitan, hiding inside a robe too big for him and convincing no one.
William Hartnell goes on vacation for 2 whole episodes, following a shaky start where he trips over his lines more than usual, giving us such classics as "If you had your shoes dear boy you could lend her hers". When he returns later he's recharged and on form, offering us "I can't improve... I can't PROVE at this moment". The regular cast are on form too, Barbara especially getting a good storyline where she dodges an implied rape, of all things.
A lot of the guest actors are familiar faces, The Voords and ice soldiers also appear as different characters in human form. Fiona Walker and Donald Pickering would appear again later, notably in the seventh Doctor's era.
Everything about this story entertained me, but my favourite is the scene on the DVD menu that plays over & over. Arbitan comfronts our regulars and explains that he wants them to help him. Because I watched this on 12 different days, there were times when I left the DVD on while I did other things, leading to my brother seeing this bit over & over seemingly everytime he walked past. So now he says "yes, yes yooooooooooooo must find the KEEEEEYS for me" in a monty-pythonesque voice everytime he sees me.
nutmeg
Well-Known Member
CLASSIC WHO MARATHON
What a great review Meglos, so glad to be doing this with someone who knows so much DW. And I am more than a little jealous of you being able to listen to the commentaries. Although I was starting to think you’d given up, but pft, as if.
THE KEYS OF MARINUS
Sooo much action in this ep. I loved that there were so many adventures within the one story, jumping from location to location to find the keys. It worked well for Ian and Barbara who both got a lot of screen time, and it is great to see Barbara’s boldness grow with every story.
But as with Marco Polo, I was disappointed that the Doctor didn’t star until the end ... during the court case and investigation. AFTER I watched this serial, I read that Hartnell wasn’t in episodes 3 & 4 because he was on holidays, as Meglos says, and Hartnell didn’t really do too much in the first two episodes, so I spent a lot of time wondering when he’d fire up. But it really backs up the struggles we saw Hartnell have in An Adventure in Space and Time, so sad, poor guy. Yep, he sure did fluff a few lines, it was really noticeable, but to be fair, so did a lot of the supporting actors. And what Hartnell did do well was terrific, he was marvellous in his calculating and his delight at getting things right. Would I want him as my lawyer if I was being tried for murder? No. But he was fun to watch.
Barbara’s ‘implied rape’ was quite scary. Everyone talks about female companions in the classic series being there for screaming and asking questions. Well she sure does that, but she is so much more, driving a lot of the investigations and figuring things out. Great to see such a positive 1960s BBC depiction of a ‘modern’ woman. Verity Lambert did her bit for the cause.
The sets in all the different locations were mostly good, with a few exceptions. Like they obviously went to a lot of effort with the spiky landscape on Marinus, but it still looked pretty fake; and the miniature TARDIS looked more like a key ring than a life sized police box. Mr nutmeg watched part of the booby trapped temple episode and scoffed at, well, just about everything ... from the apparently wrong way that Ian was trying to open the safe (mr nutmeg did used to be a locksmith in a previous life, so I can probably forgive him for that one), to the unconvincing killer vines. It was about then that he was banished from watching any more, lol. Glad he didn’t see the master brains in Morphoton, they looked like piles of mince meat with dolls eyes antennae. (Sounds like mr nutmeg and Meglos’s brother might get along, lol) And as Meglos says, the ‘rubber buffoons’ were ridiculous, but with so many different sets and characters I guess the budget was pretty stretched. Disappointing to not have another Terry Nation iconic monster, but the Voords were never going to make it. Nice concept though, beings who want to rise up against the mind control of the Conscience … the mind control might have been for peaceful purposes, but mind control is mind control. I did like the booby trapped temple though, it was fun.
The costumes were generally great too, especially Altos’s … nice legs, lol. The footwear the girls wear drove me mad though. Susan’s slipper shoes burned in the acid, so she replaces them with another pair of slipper shoes. Yep, she’s meant to be a genius isn’t she? And wasn't Ian still wearing his Chinese jacket from Marco Polo, even though as Meglos said in a previous review, they would have been on other adventures between Marco Polo and the Keys of Marinus? Smelly.
Overall I thought it was a clever enough storyline with so much going on that it was never dull.
So onto THE AZTECS, which Wikipedia describes as ...
What a great review Meglos, so glad to be doing this with someone who knows so much DW. And I am more than a little jealous of you being able to listen to the commentaries. Although I was starting to think you’d given up, but pft, as if.
THE KEYS OF MARINUS
Sooo much action in this ep. I loved that there were so many adventures within the one story, jumping from location to location to find the keys. It worked well for Ian and Barbara who both got a lot of screen time, and it is great to see Barbara’s boldness grow with every story.
But as with Marco Polo, I was disappointed that the Doctor didn’t star until the end ... during the court case and investigation. AFTER I watched this serial, I read that Hartnell wasn’t in episodes 3 & 4 because he was on holidays, as Meglos says, and Hartnell didn’t really do too much in the first two episodes, so I spent a lot of time wondering when he’d fire up. But it really backs up the struggles we saw Hartnell have in An Adventure in Space and Time, so sad, poor guy. Yep, he sure did fluff a few lines, it was really noticeable, but to be fair, so did a lot of the supporting actors. And what Hartnell did do well was terrific, he was marvellous in his calculating and his delight at getting things right. Would I want him as my lawyer if I was being tried for murder? No. But he was fun to watch.
Barbara’s ‘implied rape’ was quite scary. Everyone talks about female companions in the classic series being there for screaming and asking questions. Well she sure does that, but she is so much more, driving a lot of the investigations and figuring things out. Great to see such a positive 1960s BBC depiction of a ‘modern’ woman. Verity Lambert did her bit for the cause.
The sets in all the different locations were mostly good, with a few exceptions. Like they obviously went to a lot of effort with the spiky landscape on Marinus, but it still looked pretty fake; and the miniature TARDIS looked more like a key ring than a life sized police box. Mr nutmeg watched part of the booby trapped temple episode and scoffed at, well, just about everything ... from the apparently wrong way that Ian was trying to open the safe (mr nutmeg did used to be a locksmith in a previous life, so I can probably forgive him for that one), to the unconvincing killer vines. It was about then that he was banished from watching any more, lol. Glad he didn’t see the master brains in Morphoton, they looked like piles of mince meat with dolls eyes antennae. (Sounds like mr nutmeg and Meglos’s brother might get along, lol) And as Meglos says, the ‘rubber buffoons’ were ridiculous, but with so many different sets and characters I guess the budget was pretty stretched. Disappointing to not have another Terry Nation iconic monster, but the Voords were never going to make it. Nice concept though, beings who want to rise up against the mind control of the Conscience … the mind control might have been for peaceful purposes, but mind control is mind control. I did like the booby trapped temple though, it was fun.
The costumes were generally great too, especially Altos’s … nice legs, lol. The footwear the girls wear drove me mad though. Susan’s slipper shoes burned in the acid, so she replaces them with another pair of slipper shoes. Yep, she’s meant to be a genius isn’t she? And wasn't Ian still wearing his Chinese jacket from Marco Polo, even though as Meglos said in a previous review, they would have been on other adventures between Marco Polo and the Keys of Marinus? Smelly.
Overall I thought it was a clever enough storyline with so much going on that it was never dull.
So onto THE AZTECS, which Wikipedia describes as ...
Meglos
HAVE A NECTARINE, GONK
Lovely review @nutmeg
Just a few things I'll briefly point out I agree with, out of many.
You're spot on about Verity Lambert striving towards creating strong female role models, ably demonstrated by Jacqueline Hill, who is never a wimp. If she screams, it's in a situation where that's what any of us do, and she's generally strong and a leader.
Loved hearing about Mr nutmeg's reactions - are you familiar with The Wife In Space? A long-time fan gets his wife to watch every episode with him, and she is hilarious.
I can only hope that Ian had his Chinese jacket dry-cleaned between stories, and that Susan finds some practical footwear sometime soon.
Just a few things I'll briefly point out I agree with, out of many.
You're spot on about Verity Lambert striving towards creating strong female role models, ably demonstrated by Jacqueline Hill, who is never a wimp. If she screams, it's in a situation where that's what any of us do, and she's generally strong and a leader.
Loved hearing about Mr nutmeg's reactions - are you familiar with The Wife In Space? A long-time fan gets his wife to watch every episode with him, and she is hilarious.
I can only hope that Ian had his Chinese jacket dry-cleaned between stories, and that Susan finds some practical footwear sometime soon.
kxk
SAPIOSEXUAL
Wow, we are already up to episode 8.
Times for this week and next, much more civilized
Mummy On The Orient Express
Series 8 | Episode 8
The Doctor and Clara are on the most beautiful train in history, speeding among the stars of the future - but they are unaware that a deadly creature is stalking the passengers.
Flatline
Series 8 | Episode 9
Separated from the Doctor, Clara discovers a new menace from another dimension. With people to save, and the Doctor trapped, Clara goes against an enemy that exists beyond human perception.
Times for this week and next, much more civilized
Mummy On The Orient Express
Series 8 | Episode 8
The Doctor and Clara are on the most beautiful train in history, speeding among the stars of the future - but they are unaware that a deadly creature is stalking the passengers.
- ABCSunday 12 Oct 2014, 7:40pm (Repeat)
- ABCSunday 12 Oct 2014, 6:35am
- ABC2Saturday 18 Oct 2014, 7:30pm (Repeat)
Flatline
Series 8 | Episode 9
Separated from the Doctor, Clara discovers a new menace from another dimension. With people to save, and the Doctor trapped, Clara goes against an enemy that exists beyond human perception.
- ABCSunday 19 Oct 2014, 7:40pm (Repeat)
- ABCSunday 19 Oct 2014, 6:25am
BigBrotherCritic
Like working a job 24/7, for 2 days on the trot
Good Day fellow "Whovians" (Sounds like a cult)
If you are open to discussing you thoughts of the Doctor Who television show than please take part in forum thread:
"Who is you favorite Doctor?"
Found on the follow URL: http://www.behindbigbrother.com/forums/threads/who-is-your-favourite-doctor.52057/
I know some of you have already posted on it! Feel free to write novels, we are all happy to sit down and listen to your opinions.
If you are open to discussing you thoughts of the Doctor Who television show than please take part in forum thread:
"Who is you favorite Doctor?"
Found on the follow URL: http://www.behindbigbrother.com/forums/threads/who-is-your-favourite-doctor.52057/
I know some of you have already posted on it! Feel free to write novels, we are all happy to sit down and listen to your opinions.
nutmeg
Well-Known Member
I just watched Kill the Moon again. First foreboding, then beautiful, then unsettling when Clara tore the Doctor a new one … kind of like your parents arguing.
I keep changing my mind on what the Doctor knew. He’d basically left them for dead: if they blew up the baby, they would have died as well. I read some people liken it to the abortion debate, but I think that oversimplifies it … maybe the baby wasn’t the only ‘innocent life’, because Courtney was there and they said they had a ‘duty of care’ … we know that the Impossible Girl is prepared to die to help others, but was she prepared to let her innocent student die? I doubt it. So is that how the Doctor knew she would make that decision? Was it about making Courtney feel special? Was it about Clara taking off her ‘stabilisers’? This episode has left me even more confused about who this Doctor really is.
It was interesting to see the moon’s filming location on Extra. A step up from the old quarries they used to use. They made the moon look incredible, really beautiful. Great work by production, as were the sound effects. Complete silence, dramatic breathing, frenetic spider feet. Spooky.
Well, the overnight countdown to Mummy on the Orient Express begins.
I keep changing my mind on what the Doctor knew. He’d basically left them for dead: if they blew up the baby, they would have died as well. I read some people liken it to the abortion debate, but I think that oversimplifies it … maybe the baby wasn’t the only ‘innocent life’, because Courtney was there and they said they had a ‘duty of care’ … we know that the Impossible Girl is prepared to die to help others, but was she prepared to let her innocent student die? I doubt it. So is that how the Doctor knew she would make that decision? Was it about making Courtney feel special? Was it about Clara taking off her ‘stabilisers’? This episode has left me even more confused about who this Doctor really is.
It was interesting to see the moon’s filming location on Extra. A step up from the old quarries they used to use. They made the moon look incredible, really beautiful. Great work by production, as were the sound effects. Complete silence, dramatic breathing, frenetic spider feet. Spooky.
Well, the overnight countdown to Mummy on the Orient Express begins.
nutmeg
Well-Known Member
I got up before DW last week to watch it, but daylight savings stuffed me up and I missed the first half hour. Am assuming I missed the best bits, lol. Although it was lovely seeing Donna's granddad as a young man. Funny how the Daleks smoked everyone to death. And I did like the face off between the Daleks and the wheelchair guy, one crappy set of wheels versus another.Both my daughters are HUGE Whovian's: one for example dressed as "Rose" for a Dr Who themed b'day part she attended and frankly dresses like Rose at any given op. lol
Both were really pissed off though that they missed "Dr Who and the Daleks Movie" (circ 1965) that's been screening on GEM (ch 90 - FTA) over the past week.
Here is a little snippet for other's who have also missed it.
I accidentally watched some of George and Mildred the other day. The little kid next door was banned from TV for a week, and the dialogue went something like ...
Son: “What, even Dr Who?”
Dad: “Yes, even Dr Who.”
Son:“But we always watch Dr Who together. And the Tritons have the Dr trapped in the time space.”
Dad: “Oh, so they do. Well no TV for four days then.”
I forget how influential this show really was.
...Doctor Who starting in a few minutes... woohoo!... cheers.
...hahaha!... that's hilarious nutmeg!... George and Mildred... what a classic!... cheers.
It will be on here in a few hours. Sounds like a fun episode. By the way, Poirot was from Belgium, he always got grumpy when people assumed he was French.
BigBrotherCritic
Like working a job 24/7, for 2 days on the trot
We need a live chat just for Doctor Who! Hahaha
...wow!... another great episode!... a little bit like the Agatha Christie episode with David Tennant and Catherine Tate... I really bought into the 'atmosphere' of the period costumes etc... as with the space Titanic and and many other episodes of the last few years the producers really do make great sets that make you actually feel like you are back in that time period... all credit to them for it!...
...I loved the idea that The Doctor and Clara were on the Orient Express for a 'last hurrah' so to speak as if they were an old couple finally seperating and perhaps giving their relationship 'one last chance'... their conversation where all he wanted to talk about was planets while Clara was trying to talk about their feelings between each other was hilarious!... he looked so uncomfortable didn't he?... lol!...
...I thought that this was yet another bloody great story... when Perkins the engineer was walking towards The Doctor with that wrench or whatever it was I really thought that he was going to whack The Doctor with it!... lol!...
...did anyone notice that when The Doctor introduced himself to Professor Emille Moorehouse that he flipped open a cigarette case or something and offered him a JELLY BABY?????... hahahahaha!... (a tribute to Tom Baker no doubt!)... I so loved that!!!... check out this screenshot of it that I managed to capture...
...I'm loving all the back references to previous Doctors of times gone by... with not just only this above... what about when the Mummy was coming towards him and he said... "are you my mummy?"... another reference back to Ecclestons episode in wartime Britain... (just as Tennant did one time in his reign as The Doctor)... Capaldi cracked me up with that one!... I love it!!!!... lol!...
...the '66 seconds' thing had me so intrigued all the way trough until it was revealed... I certainly did not twig to that until it was revealed... The Doctor was looking like he wasn't really being phased about the loss of people dying individually and was looking so callous about it too... but he was obviously willing to sacrifice a few to save the majority as would happen in real life as far as I'm concerned... he was really coming across as a true alien distanced from the human race to me during this part...
...I loved this effect... it was so well done!...
...I was surprised when The Doctor told Clara to lie to Maisie to get her to leave the carriage that they were in to get her to him... I was even more surprised when Clara actually lied to her deliberately!!!!... Clara giving it to The Doctor about his lying to her before becomes a moot point now doesn't it?...
...just something that I noticed... when The Doctor figured out that the Mummy was a soldier and said... "we surrender"... which in turn stopped it killing him... just before the Mummy turned to dust it did a modern day military salute as a 'thankyou' almost for it being the end for it... a modern day salute!... I'm wondering if the Mummy was Clara's boyfriend Danny... (an ex soldier)... from perhaps in the future sometime?... just a thought... here is the salute... (I'm pretty sure that Egyptian Mummies didn't salute like that somehow)...
...I liked the ending where The Doctor and Clara were on the beach... such great dialogue there!... the sentences were so open-ended in parts which makes it interesting...
..."so you were only pretending... to be heartless?"... asks Clara...
..."would you like to think that about me?... would that make it easier?"... replies The Doctor... "I didn't know... if I could save her... (Maisie)... I couldn't save Quail... I couldn't save Moorehouse... there was a good chance that she would die too... at which point... I would've just moved on to the next and the next until I beat it!... sometimes the only choices that you have are the bad ones... but you still have to choose"...
...such a brilliant speech and such brilliant writing... I love it!... I loved the episode... I loved Clara and I loved Peter Capaldi even more as The Doctor... he sure is nailing his role as The Doctor isn't he?... I don't think that we've seen the end of Perkins the engineer (Frank Skinner) somehow... he'll be brought back in the future methinks!...
...next weeks episode looks awesome!... I can't wait!... cheers.
...I loved the idea that The Doctor and Clara were on the Orient Express for a 'last hurrah' so to speak as if they were an old couple finally seperating and perhaps giving their relationship 'one last chance'... their conversation where all he wanted to talk about was planets while Clara was trying to talk about their feelings between each other was hilarious!... he looked so uncomfortable didn't he?... lol!...
...I thought that this was yet another bloody great story... when Perkins the engineer was walking towards The Doctor with that wrench or whatever it was I really thought that he was going to whack The Doctor with it!... lol!...
...did anyone notice that when The Doctor introduced himself to Professor Emille Moorehouse that he flipped open a cigarette case or something and offered him a JELLY BABY?????... hahahahaha!... (a tribute to Tom Baker no doubt!)... I so loved that!!!... check out this screenshot of it that I managed to capture...
...I'm loving all the back references to previous Doctors of times gone by... with not just only this above... what about when the Mummy was coming towards him and he said... "are you my mummy?"... another reference back to Ecclestons episode in wartime Britain... (just as Tennant did one time in his reign as The Doctor)... Capaldi cracked me up with that one!... I love it!!!!... lol!...
...the '66 seconds' thing had me so intrigued all the way trough until it was revealed... I certainly did not twig to that until it was revealed... The Doctor was looking like he wasn't really being phased about the loss of people dying individually and was looking so callous about it too... but he was obviously willing to sacrifice a few to save the majority as would happen in real life as far as I'm concerned... he was really coming across as a true alien distanced from the human race to me during this part...
...I loved this effect... it was so well done!...
...I was surprised when The Doctor told Clara to lie to Maisie to get her to leave the carriage that they were in to get her to him... I was even more surprised when Clara actually lied to her deliberately!!!!... Clara giving it to The Doctor about his lying to her before becomes a moot point now doesn't it?...
...just something that I noticed... when The Doctor figured out that the Mummy was a soldier and said... "we surrender"... which in turn stopped it killing him... just before the Mummy turned to dust it did a modern day military salute as a 'thankyou' almost for it being the end for it... a modern day salute!... I'm wondering if the Mummy was Clara's boyfriend Danny... (an ex soldier)... from perhaps in the future sometime?... just a thought... here is the salute... (I'm pretty sure that Egyptian Mummies didn't salute like that somehow)...
...I liked the ending where The Doctor and Clara were on the beach... such great dialogue there!... the sentences were so open-ended in parts which makes it interesting...
..."so you were only pretending... to be heartless?"... asks Clara...
..."would you like to think that about me?... would that make it easier?"... replies The Doctor... "I didn't know... if I could save her... (Maisie)... I couldn't save Quail... I couldn't save Moorehouse... there was a good chance that she would die too... at which point... I would've just moved on to the next and the next until I beat it!... sometimes the only choices that you have are the bad ones... but you still have to choose"...
...such a brilliant speech and such brilliant writing... I love it!... I loved the episode... I loved Clara and I loved Peter Capaldi even more as The Doctor... he sure is nailing his role as The Doctor isn't he?... I don't think that we've seen the end of Perkins the engineer (Frank Skinner) somehow... he'll be brought back in the future methinks!...
...next weeks episode looks awesome!... I can't wait!... cheers.
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