Post BB - Housemate Antics 2013

[littlebear]

I think your post here kinda highlights the secret to Tim's success and popularity in the house. He got away with saying and doing things that the other HMs couldn't because he usually did it in a way that came across as entertaining rather than malicious IMO. When you read what he said about Tully without the context just in print it certainly comes across as nasty, but, like you said, if you picture the way he would have said it all of a sudden it takes on a different effect. Also out of the house he can't use the diary room like he did in the house to justify what he did or sell the narrative he wanted to.

Would have I said that about Tully even if I thought it was true? probably not, but then again I'm not like Tim where I gained a heap of fans, won 250k and gotten a career out of giving my blunt and often amusing opinions the other HMs either. I remember there was an awesome thread here during the season about Tim's quotes. It was pretty much a favourite, and most of the quotes related around the other HMs in some way. I can understand why he wouldn't want to suddenly stop doing what gained him his popularity out of loyalty to Tully when let's be honest here, Tully was anything but loyal to Tim.

I also can't really buy into the idea that Tim has betrayed a friend by saying what he did about Tully. Tim's been pretty blunt both in and out of the house about who he considers his real friends and I've never seen Tully make that list.

Tim does a lot of stuff that makes me roll my eyes so much it physically hurts. It's not so much his actions but the way he acts when someone calls him out on them. Like changing his story when @Tim called him out, or the way he carried on in the house when Boog called him out, or out of the house when Jade apparently got the cranks at him over his video. He says he owns stuff but he really doesn't. He'll either throw it back at the person calling him out on his fuck up or lie.

I do think the guy is a ticking time bomb because sooner or later he's going to burn the wrong bridges, but really I still can't find too much wrong with what he said about Tully when all things are considered.

So much agreement about the way he handles getting challenged or called out being the bigger issue. Apologies to his fans, but I find it so ugly, to the point where that aspect of his character kind of washes out the better ones. And the part where he defends his YouTube URINE DRINKING as distinct from train wreck behaviour because it's not "emotionally messy" like Tully? His defensiveness just exposes him in such an unpleasant way. I tried not to say anything more on the subject because I really do want to see the good as much as some of you can, but wow he makes it difficult sometimes.

 

[littlebear]

+1 THIS. During the whole argument on Twitter all I could think of is how he's a liability for media producers. One of these days he's not going to be able to backtrack as easily and it will be his downfall.

He's trying to build a bankable media personality but then then publicly slags off his ex housemates and gets into fights on Twitter. He wants to be known as edgy and crazy but that's a fine line to tread if you're trying to launch a TV career.

YES. And what I have a hard time reconciling is this outspoken edginess he seems to want to portray with the lighthearted, family-friendly stuff he seems to be covering. I feel like those two sides are bound to clash badly at some point. I'm not sure what it is he's trying to be, really.

 

[Kaz]

@Tim

Off topic.

Me calling you a tosspot, does that mean my chances of becoming a moderator on this site has been harmed.

Be gentle in your reply. That's if you do.

 

[bleachy_dude]

Perhaps Alex is more happy for fans to use the Facebook page to discuss the show rather than independent blogs and forums. Question.... Does Channel Nine make money off the Facebook page somehow? Facebook it seems to me is the new place to discuss TV shows.

Really if you take his comment at face value then you could even apply that to people discussing the show on the official facebook. A really poor choice of words and incredibly stupid thing for an EP of a show with a social media buzz to say at all.

Yeah that comment from Alex M was a major lapse in emotion from him. He gets really touchy when you dare question the TV industry.

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Alex needs to focus on being a television producer instead of being as fame hungry as his housemates. Giving countless interviews to newspapers does not maketh a good TV show.

+1. Spend more time making a great show, Alex.

 

[Mooseface]

@Tim

Off topic.

Me calling you a tosspot, does that mean my chances of becoming a moderator on this site has been harmed.

Be gentle in your reply. That's if you do.

Don't think he's gonna reply, Kaz. I reckon you should maybe prepare yourself for a possible non reply.

 

[pop-culture-freak]

I think your post here kinda highlights the secret to Tim's success and popularity in the house. He got away with saying and doing things that the other HMs couldn't because he usually did it in a way that came across as entertaining rather than malicious IMO. When you read what he said about Tully without the context just in print it certainly comes across as nasty, but, like you said, if you picture the way he would have said it all of a sudden it takes on a different effect. Also out of the house he can't use the diary room like he did in the house to justify what he did or sell the narrative he wanted to.

Would have I said that about Tully even if I thought it was true? probably not, but then again I'm not like Tim where I gained a heap of fans, won 250k and gotten a career out of giving my blunt and often amusing opinions the other HMs either. I remember there was an awesome thread here during the season about Tim's quotes. It was pretty much a favourite, and most of the quotes related around the other HMs in some way. I can understand why he wouldn't want to suddenly stop doing what gained him his popularity out of loyalty to Tully when let's be honest here, Tully was anything but loyal to Tim.

I also can't really buy into the idea that Tim has betrayed a friend by saying what he did about Tully. Tim's been pretty blunt both in and out of the house about who he considers his real friends and I've never seen Tully make that list.

Tim does a lot of stuff that makes me roll my eyes so much it physically hurts. It's not so much his actions but the way he acts when someone calls him out on them. Like changing his story when @Tim called him out, or the way he carried on in the house when Boog called him out, or out of the house when Jade apparently got the cranks at him over his video. He says he owns stuff but he really doesn't. He'll either throw it back at the person calling him out on his fuck up or lie.

I do think the guy is a ticking time bomb because sooner or later he's going to burn the wrong bridges, but really I still can't find too much wrong with what he said about Tully when all things are considered.

Wow, THIS!!!!!!

You've managed to sum up perfectly what I also love and don't love about Tim. Like you I have no issue with what he said about Tully (it's true isn't it?) but he didn't have to then lie and get angry about it like he does when he's called out. Your 100% right though, he doesn't owe Tully a damn thing. I vaguely recall her involvement in a mutiny.

 

[Sparrow11]

@Tim Thank you for replying to my comment. I thought it was probably you doing the posting but was hoping it wasn't...We don't agree and thats fine...Its your site, I know that and you sure have a right to voice your opinions. I'm mostly upset and disappointed because I was hoping when the new season started that Tim D would start posting in here again. But even if he did I guess he would use an alias...I do apologize to you for the coward comment, it was unfair. Sparrow is not my name...Anyway, you have a nice site here with a lot of interesting people and I do like the changes/updates you did.

 

[AtalantaRose]

I think it is amazing that Alex has openly mocked BBB. These are the hardcore fans that generate discussion on his show.

Hasn't he ever heard of 'don't bite the hand that feeds you'?

Idiot.

 

[Tim]

Really if you take his comment at face value then you could even apply that to people discussing the show on the official facebook. A really poor choice of words and incredibly stupid thing for an EP of a show with a social media buzz to say at all.

Yeah it was a really dumb comment. But not surprising considering Alex's whole BB mantra is about complete control of the product. They want the only vision of the house to be via the scripted TV show. No room for live internet feeds. Discussion should be via the Facebook page where again, they can control everything. The most experimental they're willing to do is Twitter - 140 characters each.

Essentially Alex and Channel 9 want the blind fandom that generates ratings and keeps its mouth shut. They don't want the fandom that discusses things too much or heaven forbid is critical.

For that reason BB 2012 onwards has been Diet Big Brother. If he wants to be Diet Executive Producer, so be it.

 

[Tim]

Perhaps Alex is more happy for fans to use the Facebook page to discuss the show rather than independent blogs and forums. Question.... Does Channel Nine make money off the Facebook page somehow? Facebook it seems to me is the new place to discuss TV shows.

They don't make money directly from Facebook, but they use it to support the show. It's still a difficult one to measure properly. Does 50,000 Facebook likes mean more people watch the show? Not necessarily. And that's why TV stations aren't very fond of social media - it doesn't give them the dead-set audience figures they can use to bring in advertisers.

The current consensus is that Twitter does not make money

The flipside is that if they can keep most BB discussion on a Facebook page they own, they can control the conversation.[DOUBLEPOST=1399254773][/DOUBLEPOST]

Me calling you a tosspot, does that mean my chances of becoming a moderator on this site has been harmed. .

We're not looking for mods at this time, but thank you for your interest.

 

[Gemini]

Yeah it was a really dumb comment. But not surprising considering Alex's whole BB mantra is about complete control of the product. They want the only vision of the house to be via the scripted TV show. No room for live internet feeds. Discussion should be via the Facebook page where again, they can control everything. The most experimental they're willing to do is Twitter - 140 characters each.

Essentially Alex and Channel 9 want the blind fandom that generates ratings and keeps its mouth shut. They don't want the fandom that discusses things too much or heaven forbid is critical.

For that reason BB 2012 onwards has been Diet Big Brother. If he wants to be Diet Executive Producer, so be it.

You only need to look their "fake married couple" plot last season to see that. When they actually discovered that Jade and Drew were real people (not characters they were writing) and that they couldn't actually force them to fall in love they spent the rest of the series punishing them because they didn't do what they were supposed to.

Add to that the dictatorship the official FB page was under and it's pretty telling IMO.

 

[Sweetgeek]

I think your post here kinda highlights the secret to Tim's success and popularity in the house. He got away with saying and doing things that the other HMs couldn't because he usually did it in a way that came across as entertaining rather than malicious IMO. When you read what he said about Tully without the context just in print it certainly comes across as nasty, but, like you said, if you picture the way he would have said it all of a sudden it takes on a different effect. Also out of the house he can't use the diary room like he did in the house to justify what he did or sell the narrative he wanted to.

Would have I said that about Tully even if I thought it was true? probably not, but then again I'm not like Tim where I gained a heap of fans, won 250k and gotten a career out of giving my blunt and often amusing opinions the other HMs either. I remember there was an awesome thread here during the season about Tim's quotes. It was pretty much a favourite, and most of the quotes related around the other HMs in some way. I can understand why he wouldn't want to suddenly stop doing what gained him his popularity out of loyalty to Tully when let's be honest here, Tully was anything but loyal to Tim.

I also can't really buy into the idea that Tim has betrayed a friend by saying what he did about Tully. Tim's been pretty blunt both in and out of the house about who he considers his real friends and I've never seen Tully make that list.

Tim does a lot of stuff that makes me roll my eyes so much it physically hurts. It's not so much his actions but the way he acts when someone calls him out on them. Like changing his story when @Tim called him out, or the way he carried on in the house when Boog called him out, or out of the house when Jade apparently got the cranks at him over his video. He says he owns stuff but he really doesn't. He'll either throw it back at the person calling him out on his fuck up or lie.

I do think the guy is a ticking time bomb because sooner or later he's going to burn the wrong bridges, but really I still can't find too much wrong with what he said about Tully when all things are considered.

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There are points I agree on and yet look at differently in your post, Gemini. the parts in bold I agree on. I never thought of him and tully as friends for some reason and always thought there was a dislike for one another in many ways. At the same time I still don't think it was right what he did in any context. The thing is though, Tim is open about what he says and will often do. Everyone of the hms have hidden animosity to one another in some way and Tim used the diary room to express his dislike for others and you're right in some ways he uses the media leverage to do the same atm. But to me this is no different to the hms that did it in private. Tully in the house did manipulate (imo) her thoughts to the people around her about the hms. Just because her technique was different to Tims, doesn't mean it wasn't used to the same effect and this can be applied to every hm really. I guess I don't just look at it as Tim controlling the narrative but se this as his means of bitching as all the hms do but his way is not the standard way of doing so.

I think Tim can own up to a wrong but he can also shy away from it and in this instance he has backtracked and not really owned up to his eff up. But then again I don't think many people do own up to it. There are countless examples from the hms that have shown they cant own up to a wrong, I think it can be in our nature to be defensive, heck I know I do it on these boards all the time lol, sometimes our emotions get the better of us and that's justified to ourselves because even though we cant explain ourselves we know why we did what we did. I guess that's how I am looking at Tim and this scenario.

For me, big brother is over and Tim is the winner. The appeal of why he won is already there and he has established his persona. The rest of it is me not knowing what goes on behind the scenes and me assuming Tim is reacting to whatever it is (imo). The public spats and twitter war is a small part of tim for me and many others and post bb not many people still care as much anymore, so people like myself will keep the memory of Tims appeal and the good side of him alive until the interest in him just vanishes completely. Is he a ticking time bomb? Maybe? But depending on who you ask, the controversy surrounding him can be just as appealing as detested by others. Kyle is an asshole but still people are interested. In no way am I saying Tim is an asshole as I truly believe he is far from it. But for those that do believe him to be one, he can still grab their attention like he is at this moment so it's a different audience Tim is attracting. Anyways that's my say on it. Gemini, its been a long time since I've had a good discussion like this and dare I say I miss it. It has been insightful and thought wise challenging as it does confront me with my own biases as well as remind me what it is that attracted me to a hm in the first place

 

[Mooseface]

They don't make money directly from Facebook, but they use it to support the show. It's still a difficult one to measure properly. Does 50,000 Facebook likes mean more people watch the show? Not necessarily. And that's why TV stations aren't very fond of social media - it doesn't give them the dead-set audience figures they can use to bring in advertisers.

The current consensus is that Twitter does not make money

The flipside is that if they can keep most BB discussion on a Facebook page they own, they can control the conversation.[DOUBLEPOST=1399254773][/DOUBLEPOST]

We're not looking for mods at this time, but thank you for your interest.

Eating my words! Yum yum yum

 

[Stephy18]

Are Tim and Drew still close as they were straight after leaving BB. I'm just wondering.

 

[smurfette]

Are Tim and Drew still close as they were straight after leaving BB. I'm just wondering.

That's a good question. The last time either were asked they said yes - but that was a while ago. I think the last time they actually saw each other was in either late Jan or early Feb, and they don't seem to communicate publicly on SM - but that doesn't mean much. They may well still be close by phone and text.

 

[Sparrow11]

I don't know that Tim and Drew were ever all that close. They can relax and have fun together. Tim seems to consider Drew a friend and he likes him but thats about it. They have very different lives. IMO Tim is a loner. He seems most relaxed and at peace when he is alone with his thoughts. And channel 9 is keeping him very busy...I'm excited for the pictures/videos from Vietnam.

 

[Sparrow11]

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[Gemini]

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There are points I agree on and yet look at differently in your post, Gemini. the parts in bold I agree on. I never thought of him and tully as friends for some reason and always thought there was a dislike for one another in many ways. At the same time I still don't think it was right what he did in any context. The thing is though, Tim is open about what he says and will often do. Everyone of the hms have hidden animosity to one another in some way and Tim used the diary room to express his dislike for others and you're right in some ways he uses the media leverage to do the same atm. But to me this is no different to the hms that did it in private. Tully in the house did manipulate (imo) her thoughts to the people around her about the hms. Just because her technique was different to Tims, doesn't mean it wasn't used to the same effect and this can be applied to every hm really. I guess I don't just look at it as Tim controlling the narrative but se this as his means of bitching as all the hms do but his way is not the standard way of doing so.

I think Tim can own up to a wrong but he can also shy away from it and in this instance he has backtracked and not really owned up to his eff up. But then again I don't think many people do own up to it. There are countless examples from the hms that have shown they cant own up to a wrong, I think it can be in our nature to be defensive, heck I know I do it on these boards all the time lol, sometimes our emotions get the better of us and that's justified to ourselves because even though we cant explain ourselves we know why we did what we did. I guess that's how I am looking at Tim and this scenario.

For me, big brother is over and Tim is the winner. The appeal of why he won is already there and he has established his persona. The rest of it is me not knowing what goes on behind the scenes and me assuming Tim is reacting to whatever it is (imo). The public spats and twitter war is a small part of tim for me and many others and post bb not many people still care as much anymore, so people like myself will keep the memory of Tims appeal and the good side of him alive until the interest in him just vanishes completely. Is he a ticking time bomb? Maybe? But depending on who you ask, the controversy surrounding him can be just as appealing as detested by others. Kyle is an asshole but still people are interested. In no way am I saying Tim is an asshole as I truly believe he is far from it. But for those that do believe him to be one, he can still grab their attention like he is at this moment so it's a different audience Tim is attracting. Anyways that's my say on it. Gemini, its been a long time since I've had a good discussion like this and dare I say I miss it. It has been insightful and thought wise challenging as it does confront me with my own biases as well as remind me what it is that attracted me to a hm in the first place

I certainly agree with most of this SG. You're dead right about Tully's manipulative ways in the house towards the other HMs. I think everyone that makes it to the house has to be manipulative to a degree. We even saw it with Ben with the photos. Someone unthread mentioned Tully's role in the mutiny against Tim and I too remember her running around whispering to people what to do trying to get him out. While I think it was obvious that Tim's plan was to control the viewers' perception, Tully also seemed intent on controlling the other HMs views on one another. That's where Tully (and everyone else in that mutiny) screwed up because they didn't realise that in order to get someone out (like they wanted Tim gone) the audience has to told hold that opinion, not the other HMs.

I do agree that everyone gets defensive when called out, but I just think Tim takes it way over the top...especially considering he does toe the line so naturally if he does or says something hurtful people will react.

Even after everything I'm still extremely happy Tim won. I think it will set a trend and cause future HMs to play in the same entertaining way. Gone are the days of your Matt's or Ed's doing nothing and winning. I certainly don't think he's an arsehole. I think he does some arsehole-ish things but we all do. Away from the cameras Ben, Jade, Drew and Tahan still seem to want to be friends with him after everything so that tells me that he must be a good friend away from the cameras/media (where it counts). I just think it'd help him to develop some awareness to see that if he does or says things for attention there's going to be people that don't like it and either getting angry throwing it back in their face (especially someone he's actually hurt) or lying about doing it to begin with probably isn't the best way to respond if he wants to stay in the public eye.

Man, I've written more today than I have in ages haha.

 

[Kaz]

That's a good question. The last time either were asked they said yes - but that was a while ago. I think the last time they actually saw each other was in either late Jan or early Feb, and they don't seem to communicate publicly on SM - but that doesn't mean much. They may well still be close by phone and text.

Maybe Tim realised what a snake in the grass Drew was on the show.

Drew was playing the fun & boring groups against each other. And was lying to both groups.

 

[Stephy18]

Maybe Tim realised what a snake in the grass Drew was on the show.

Drew was playing the fun & boring groups against each other. And was lying to both groups.

Drew was like everyone else. They all were snakes in some way and it was a game. I don't think you can judge someone and be friends with them properly until after the show to see their true colours and what they are really like.