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Tony Abbott leadership challenge

Consuela said:
Plus Julie is from WA like the faction calling for the spill and she's deputy so it's a more 'ordinary' succession.

But like they say it's not over until Gina Rinehart sings.
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Oh bless your little cotton socks for not using the PC term in referring to Gina :roflmao:
 
King Tone Dethroned?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Honestly, though - this is a lot different to the situation Labor found themselves in. The first time the switch occurred, it was Rudd on the outer with a clear better option who was willing to step up. Not sure that really exists for the Libs. I wouldn't call Turnbull a better option, nor would I say Bishop is keen to step up.

The second time the leadership spill happened, Rudd was just out for blood.
 
Perhaps Julie Bishop is (of course) acting wisely and carefully, and she'd like to be PM - in the circumstance of the sometime Puppet Master (Here, have a Knighthood) steps down. After the labour fiasco, she'd know how to play her cards.
 
Ah, good old Julie Bishop. The one who's been promoting and encouraging the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef to other world leaders.

Only Tony Abbott could be so hated that the Libs would see Bishop at their best shot.
 
I was among the 16 people who voted Labor and Julia Gillard in the last election.

I really don't understand the angst we see towards our government. I don't know one unemployed person. The people I do know who don't work have chosen to stay home and raise their children. I can not think of one family who really goes without. My roads are great, there is a 13 year education system in place, the acute health care in this country is second to none and yet we still want more but balk at the thought of paying more tax.

I think LNP has performed quite well. I am certainly no worse off under them.

In my opinion the people who complain the most about our governments are usually the people who contribute the least through paying tax, and suck the most from the governments tit.

This is the lucky land. under Labor I prospered and under LNP I prospered.
 
SepiaBird said:
I'm not so sure that this is because Tony Abbott is doing a poor job as our Leader but rather due to the negative media attention he's been getting ever since being elected. There is no denying that the man is not 'the sharpest PM in Parliament House" but I think he has done a lot of good and has good intentions. Personally I would prefer Julie Bishop to be leading if the Liberal Government remains in power but I think that we should give Labour another go now that they have had a proper chance to get themselves sorted out.
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What nonsense. Murdoch owns 70% of our press. Every major news paper at the last election bar one endorsed Tony Abbott. It is his terrible performance which has put everyone on side. He had amazing good will in the press.

His problem is, he is a right wing conservative ideologue. Who was good in opposition where he had no real power or responsibility. He spent all this time living out his right wing fantasies of what he would do.

He got into power and could not transition to being a leader because all he has ever knowing is being an attack dog bully.

Then with policies. As he is such a right wing ideologue he had to trick the Australian public into thinking he was not. That's why he made a stupid number of promises and statements of what his government would be that he didn't keep. Nor did he ever intend to keep. He believed he deserved to be in power because he knew best. It didn't matter what he said to get there.

So he got elected as a much more moderate candidate who based on how viciously he went after the previous government for a kind of lie. Promised he would keep every promise he made. He alleviated fears. Then broke a shit load of promises. People aren't stupid, they can see that he lied to get elected.

Then as soon as he got in, there was no easing into pushing his conservative agenda. He went down hill fast because he hit the ground running wanting to transform Australia into something people don't want and didn't vote for.

The big problem is and this is why the are getting rid of him, is that because his views for the direction of the country aren't reality based. They are based on ideology. He is incapable of listening. Look at their economic policies? Every expect says he is crazy for doing what he is doing. Look at climate change. He ignores all the evidence and expert advice. He is destroying local jobs and industries to secure free trade agreements because that's ideologically good. Even though Australia always is worse off under them. He is trying to destroy universal healthcare. Yet all the research says we don't have that problem. They want to put in these co-payment policies with out even analaysing if they will work. It's all ideology. He shut down efforts to catch corporate tax cheats siphoning billions over seas. While cracking down and making the poor poorer. Ideology that what ever is good for business is good for everyone.

Trickle down economics doesn't work. That experiment is over, done and dusted. Yet while destroying jobs and industries. He's then easing abilities for companies to hire cheap overseas labor. Where are Australians going to get jobs? He's then working to make education out of reach for many through increased costs. He doesn't care because ideology is business comes first.

Look at him trying to force religion into schools?

Him slashing science funding and wrecking environmental protection laws.

Look at him trying to prop up export industries which are going to forever be in decline and doing so at the expense of the rest of the economy.

There is so much and this is why people turned against him. This is why the media has turned against him. Even the right wing business folk know he is too extreme.

The reason the 'knighthood' got such attention is purely because it is basically the simplest demonstration of how Abbott thinks. He has no ability to assess if something is a bad idea if he thinks of it. He doesn't care to consult with others. To get another opinion. He genuinely was surprised that people had a problem with it and mocked him.

His press club address last week. The reason this did him in is because he said the same old shit he has been saying. He can't change or adapt. He doesn't think there is an issue with his views and policies. He thinks the problem is everyone elses.

He can't see the world past his own thoughts and views. That is why he must go.

Name one good thing he has done? Name one aspect of Australia's global standing or an economic, a standard of living metric or anything that hasn't gotten worse?

Oh, all Labors fault.....

Nothing he does is good or bad intention. It's just a failed ideology. The cloest thing to 'good intention' is that he really believes it. THAT IS THE PROBLEM AND WHY HE SHOULD GO.
 
Consuela said:
Is it a bad sign that I'm eagerly awaiting a reply from our resident right wing @derspatz?
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Yeah, I don't know what he would think.

Maybe a conspiracy theory by nazi greenie lefty loonies.

Come to think of it, I can't even remember what he things. I assume he is all, 'fuck the poor, help the rich' but doesn't quite see it that way. Although who knows. He may not me.

I don't know if his support for the liberals is all binding and powerful where he can't criticize them. I'm sure he doesn't like Turnbell because MT used to present himself as some what reasonable and intelligent. Until what ever the fuck happened to him.
 
up_all_night said:
Yeah, I don't know what he would think.

Maybe a conspiracy theory by nazi greenie lefty loonies.

Come to think of it, I can't even remember what he things. I assume he is all, 'fuck the poor, help the rich' but doesn't quite see it that way. Although who knows. He may not me.

I don't know if his support for the liberals is all binding and powerful where he can't criticize them. I'm sure he doesn't like Turnbell because MT used to present himself as some what reasonable and intelligent. Until what ever the fuck happened to him.
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From memory I think derz is more a Nationals lover?
 
Trala said:
I was among the 16 people who voted Labor and Julia Gillard in the last election.

I really don't understand the angst we see towards our government. I don't know one unemployed person. The people I do know who don't work have chosen to stay home and raise their children. I can not think of one family who really goes without. My roads are great, there is a 13 year education system in place, the acute health care in this country is second to none and yet we still want more but balk at the thought of paying more tax.

I think LNP has performed quite well. I am certainly no worse off under them.

In my opinion the people who complain the most about our governments are usually the people who contribute the least through paying tax, and suck the most from the governments tit.

This is the lucky land. under Labor I prospered and under LNP I prospered.
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Good for you however thank your lucky stars you're not planning to start a Uni degree in the next year or two but maybe you have connections and can get a lazy 60k scholarship to soften the blow and ensure you don't have to work through Uni and most importantly can afford ciggies.

Guessing also you are over 30 cos you'll be right then if you loose your job. Unlike an unfortunate 28 year old who Hockey has decided will have to return home and scrounge of their ageing parents while they either find a new job or wait the 6 months for Centrelink to kick in.

I'm Pretty right too Trala, I have no mortgage I have a job my hubby has a job the kids are out of home and all have jobs however unlike you I have a sense of social justice and think about what is good for all.
 

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Roisen said:
Good for you however thank your lucky stars you're not planning to start a Uni degree in the next year or two but maybe you have connections and can get a lazy 60k scholarship to soften the blow and ensure you don't have to work through Uni and most importantly can afford ciggies.

Guessing also you are over 30 cos you'll be right then if you loose your job. Unlike an unfortunate 28 year old who Hockey has decided will have to return home and scrounge of their ageing parents while they either find a new job or wait the 6 months for Centrelink to kick in.

I'm Pretty right too Trala, I have no mortgage I have a job my hubby has a job the kids are out of home and all have jobs however unlike you I have a sense of social justice and think about what is good for all.
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I am not going to pretend I follow the ever changing governments and their policies and procedures closely, I judge the government by my lifestyle and the choices and opportunities which are available to me and mine. I am third generation welfare, and through the support, advice and educational opportunities available to me from Centrelink, I was able to turn my life around. That makes me eternally grateful to our Government, for supporting me and giving me direction when I had none.

Your second point. I don't have a problem with uni students needing to pay back the cost of their degree when they are in a position to do so through HEX fees. In my experience, people who have applied and won scholarships or been successful securing grad positions are usually those who have worked the hardest.

You're right, I am over 30, but my son is 24. He has worked full time since he was 19, and has lived out of home since he was 21, and while I am sure you will put that down to him being "lucky", I lean towards the fact hard workers get rewarded and are very seldom out of work.

And to address your last point. I am by no means "right". Having little education growing up, having no positive role models as guides until I reached my mid twenties, then throw a fatherless child in the mix has ment I started waaaay behind the 8 ball and I have had to work really hard to get where I am. I have never owned a home and have always rented. However, if we keep saving at the rate we are right now, this might be the year I get to buy my first home, and for me that would be the ultimate joy.

I am not sure where I have demonstrated a lack of social justice, but I feel sure you will tell me.
 
From what I've seen, in my state at least, in general the under thirties and the over sixties are doing it really tough at the moment.

I'm in the under 30 group and while my family and I are going okay at the moment I can think of about 10 people just off the top of my head that are unemployed - and unemployed in the sense of they're applying for 15-20 jobs per fortnight and not even getting an interview. They're all extremely hard workers and most of them are university educated but they can't even get a job behind a bar. After my first locum position ended about a year ago I was also left unemployed and unable to get another job for quite some time which caused me a great deal of stress considering I have a young child with complex medical needs and my partner does not make enough money for us to be able to survive on one income.

I've also worked in the public health system and in the past year I've seen colleagues have their positions made redundant due to cuts left right and centre. I'm lucky in the sense that I'm younger and still on the lower end of the pay scale but I've seen colleagues with 10+ years experience laid off due to nothing but budget cuts. They've all luckily been able to secure jobs in private practice but we shouldn't be in a position where the most qualified and experienced people in the state's public health system are being moved out.

I do agree with the general sentiment that as a country we're very lucky and when you compare where we are to some others it's hard to put the constant whinging of Australians into perspective. I won't pretend like I follow what's going on in parliament all that closely but the changes that have already been made to health and education have hurt a lot of people I know. The Liberal government have made it no secret that they want to change our health system so it's more like the American one where everyone needs to have private health care, and if you don't, tough luck. I imagine from what's going on they also want the same American university system eventually implemented where if you come from a wealthy family that can afford to sent you to uni then good for you, if not, tough luck.
 
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Gemini said:
From what I've seen, in my state at least, in general the under thirties and the over sixties are doing it really tough at the moment.

I'm in the under 30 group and while my family and I are going okay at the moment I can think of about 10 people just off the top of my head that are unemployed - and unemployed in the sense of they're applying for 15-20 jobs per fortnight and not even getting an interview. They're all extremely hard workers and most of them are university educated but they can't even get a job behind a bar.

I also work in the public health system and in the past year I've seen colleagues have their positions made redundant due to cuts left right and centre. I'm lucky in the sense that I'm younger and still on the lower end of the pay scale but I've seen colleagues with 10+ years experience laid off due to nothing but budget cuts. They've all luckily been able to secure jobs in private practice but we shouldn't be in a position where the most qualified and experienced people in the state's public health system are being moved out.

I do agree with the general sentiment that as a country we're very lucky and when you compare where we are to some others it's hard to put the constant whinging of Australians into perspective. I won't pretend like I follow what's going on in parliament all that closely but the changes that have already been made to health and education have hurt a lot of people I know. The Liberal government have made it no secret that they want to change our health system so it's more like the American one where everyone needs to have private health care, and if you don't, tough luck. I imagine from what's going on they also want the same American university system eventually implemented where if you come from a good family that can afford to sent you to uni then good for you, if not, tough luck.
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That's very interesting.

What area do you live in?
 
Gemini said:
Sydney.
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I want to touch on your point regarding nurses (I assume) being made redundant. In my experience the only nurses I have seen take a redundancy are the Middle management nurses who have not had blood or shit on their shoes in a decade.

In my opinion they have had it too good for too long, tucked up in their offices in their CNC $120k positions, eating the chocolates patients families gift the wards.

I voted Labor at the election before last in Qld, but I voted Campbell this election. I completely support his idea of trimming the fat in our public service and selling off some mismanaged assets owned by the government.
 
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