Politics of Estelle and Bradley

[up_all_night]

Yes it has.

regarDS

Cheers. Sometimes I can't be bothered reading through entire.

I was watching a documentary from the mid 90s yesterday which you may find interesting or not. I'm not sure if it's something that falls in our common ground or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4. It's on the way the Allies and the Germans framed WW2 after it ended for their own purposes. It's just kind of a way the war was framed completely ignoring how and why it happened. Don't worry it's no conspiracy theory or apologist, denial shit. Just how it was easier to go, "that was evil, we defeated it." No reflection on what actually happened and why. And how in Germany they just pretended it didn't happen and what happened when future generations born post war started asking questions of, "how did our parents, grand parents do such horrible things." I found it interesting. Just kind of how it suited no one to understand what lead Germany to do what it did. Being mid 90s it ends framed around the Bosnia Genocide.

 

[derspatz]

I was watching a documentary from the mid 90s yesterday which you may find interesting or not. I'm not sure if it's something that falls in our common ground or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xoM6-1SWl4. It's on the way the Allies and the Germans framed WW2 after it ended for their own purposes.

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Not unusual for the "losers" to pretend stuff never happened or "remember" it in a way that makes it not so bad, but I dunno how certain towns etc managed to convince their kids every day the wind blew a certain way that it was "just another BBQ is going on down the road"

regarDS

 

[silkworm]

OK, I've gone through a couple of hundred of Estelle's tweets (don't ask!) and found some that are actually comprehensible and that reveal she holds a lot of left-wing views.

At the top of her twitter page is this: "Little bit hippy, little bit strange! Keep it karma tho'. Best is yet to come. Between Hippy & Glam." There may be something in that.

"Fortitude = David Hicks." That's pretty left-wing.

"Had dreams / nightmares about 3rd world poverty. Brain, switch off!"

"I've gotta Stop over eating. But I can't waste food!!" Seems to go with her concern for third world poverty.

She also posted two quasi-political instagrams: one of some graffiti saying "Iceland is the freeest country in the world. Beat the media blackout. Know why." and one of herself sitting in front of graffiti saying "Don't be affraid to care!" But she also posted an instagram about the exchange rate between the AU dollar and the Euro (???).

She retweeted one of Tiger Woods' tweets: "Happy Birthday to Nelson Mandella, one of the greatest human beings that ever lived." That's pretty left-wing.

"Knowing the worlds fucked but grinding our tissue. Visceral differences, skin and lips show pain from misuse. Shits an issue." Not sure what that means, but there you go.

"Over analytical and yeah I'm political.. " Now we're getting setting somewhere.

"You can by ANYTHING with the right money or influence. Our natural resources across the globe are getting raped for capital. How is it ok? " Now, that's left-wing!

Here we go: She retweeted this: "Remember the GST, remember the hysteria. We survived that and we will survive the carbon tax." Ah! It seems she is OK with the carbon tax/price. That seems pretty left-wing too. It's a pity that she uses the right-wing term "carbon tax" instead of the more objective "carbon price."

She retweeted: "Gina Rinehart knocked back from joining Fairfax board, claims they can't afford that many donuts for board meetings." OK, now I'm beginning to like Estelle!

However, she also retweeted one of Miranda Devine's right-wing tweets: "Tonight #qanda represents the Australia of handouts and supplicants not the resourceful hardworking nation that made its own success." OK, she's a political novice.

She also tweeted once about "first world problems," which seems to be where BB got the idea from for some of the Confidential specials.

I also checked a lot of Michael's tweets, and there is nothing political about them, except maybe one where he berates atheists and Christians equally.

 

[Someone]

In this video (at 2:55), Estelle reveals her politics to Ray and Ryan. She says that Bradley is right-wing, even more than she herself is.

Estelle never says anything even remotely like what you're suggesting. She simply says that Bradley is "a little more right [wing] than I am". Why would you interpret this is meaning that she holds right wing views? I can understand why someone could get the impression from this conversation that Estelle was implying that Bradley was right wing, but even that would be a misinterpretation of what she was actually saying. She's simply saying that Bradley's views tend to be further to the right on the political spectrum than her own. The Greens are more right wing than the Socialist Alternative, but they're still left wing. The conversation does not make clear whether Bradley's views are more left-of-centre or right-of-centre.

As for Estelle, it's blatantly obvious that her views would be best characterised as left wing. Even though we haven't seen much political discussion, we have seen evidence of her reacting negatively to Micheal's retelling of a racist joke, which is typical of the growing trend towards political correctness among left wingers which admittedly pisses me off. She also said on launch night that she was opposed to homophobia and racism, and whilst not everyone who hails from the right of the political spectrum is a homophobe and a racist, the way in which she expressed these views strongly indicates that she is socially progressive.

 

[kxk]

Be nice if BB hadn't turned into a mystery show, we shouldn't have to puzzle over this, why would I vote for somebody who could be a fan of alan jones for all we know or hear.

 

[Someone]

George - capitalist, in a conservative/lib state, mining town resident - doubt he supports carbon tax, parents migrants - usually vote conservative

Ryan - capitalist family, same state, ryan probably doesn't vote or would vote how his rich parents do, the corse he did, he's dumb

Brad - conservative - look at him, everything about him screams conservative, his hair, his little suit, his moaning about a food fight

Ray - he's into conforming right now, consolidating wealth and career. I bet he cut Sarah down to size a few times over animal debates

I agree with pretty much all of that, although Bradley is probably would probably be more of a right wing libertarian free marketeer than a typical conservative. He has exactly the right sort of personality - highly logical but with below average levels of empathy.

Ray in particular gives the impression of being very conservative. He seems to be massively motivated by status and material possessions, to an almost obsessive extent. He’s gone from being a teenage kleptomaniac to a self confessed workaholic, plus he’s a stickler for bizarre routines and rituals (chocolate milk). He’s the kind of person who thinks they need to own the whole world to be happy. I also remember him saying something about having a mate on the outside who always tells him not to worry about the refugee issue because it’s only such a small part of the challenges facing Australia, which seems to suggest that Ray has a tendency to moan about how the “boat people” are a massive threat to our country.

Ben also strikes me as conservative in the sense that he likes to stomp on the people below him rather than gift them a helping hand (unless of course he can sense a personal advantage in doing so); hence he would have very little concern for asylum seekers, homeless people or the economically disadvantaged. He also mentioned that he wasn’t massively concerned about gay marriage, which is fair enough but this could also be a sign of him trying to distance himself from left wing politics in general.

 

[derspatz]

^

snort chortle cough

cheers for the entertainment !

Funny how the favoured has to be just like the one doing the favouring and the despised has to be nothing like the one doing the despising.

You might as well have written "vote for shining young person role-model Stella-aah coz she prolly likes Bob Brown and hates Abbott just like all us cool people do, but that unemployable spawn of satan Ben, well he can't wait til Tony is Prime Minister".

lol

regarDS

 

[Someone]

I vote Labor but I oppose the Carbon tax too. The environment should never be put ahead of the welfare of the working class.

Right, because in the event of an environmental catastrophe brought about by lack of action to combat climate change, the working class can just fly off to whatever planet they came from in the first place.

But what about the poor people living in other parts of the world, where they can't even afford space ships? What will they do when their farmlands have been rendered useless as a result of increasing droughts and desertification, or when their island countries are submerged by rising sea levels? Will there be enough room for them on the spaceships we'll be using to transport the working class people from western Sydney?

 

[kxk]

^

snort chortle cough

cheers for the entertainment !

Funny how the favoured has to be just like the one doing the favouring and the despised has to be nothing like the one doing the despising.

You might as well have written "vote for shining young person role-model Stella-aah coz she prolly likes Bob Brown and hates Abbott just like all us cool people do, but that unemployable spawn of satan Ben, well he can't wait til Tony is Prime Minister".

lol

regarDS

What are you assuming? That statement is about the HMs or posters?
If posters - I think we are mostly pretty neutral in this thread/discussionl, I know I couldn't give a crap about any of them, I just like observing..........and guessing why some of them seem to irrationally hate others.

 

[derspatz]

Right, because in the event of an environmental catastrophe brought about by lack of action to combat climate change, the working class can just fly off to whatever planet they came from in the first place.

Aw, now you're just trolling. You know damn well that the climate has always, is currently, and always will change regardless of humankind and that not only does the current direction of the cycle have nothing to do with humankind's relatively miniscule contributions to atmospheric CO2 levels and that atmospheric CO2 level increase LAG temp increases but also that the planet would be far better off with a much higher level of atmospheric CO2 anyway ... just like it has repeatedly done in the past, including during the Roman Warming Period and the Medieval Warming Period.

What will they do when their farmlands have been rendered useless as a result of ...

... being turned into the "crime against humanity" that is bio-fuels instead of food ?

AGW/CAGW/MMCC is a fraud and scam pushed by freedom hating totalitarians / socialists and those who seek to profit in various ways from such things. It is the Big Lie used by the few to try and control / direct the many in recent times but it has been thoroughly outed and now overdue in being replaced with a whole new big lie and scare to forward the plans of the greedy and globalists.

Tyranny and terror/terrible times are inching closer though.

Anyhoo, cheers for the excuse to link to the much awarded world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change: http://wattsupwiththat.com

regarDS

 

[pecan]

Thanks for those tweets Silkworm, like I said, she wasn't saying she was right-wing, just that Bradley was further right than her.

 

[Yumq]

that not only does the current direction of the cycle have nothing to do with humankind's relatively miniscule contributions to atmospheric CO2 levels and that atmospheric CO2 level increase LAG temp increases but also that the planet would be far better off with a much higher level of atmospheric CO2 anyway

The stupid is strong in this one.

 

[Yumq]

~parties in the deep of the green zone with Yumq~

Ooh that sounds like a good party.

 

[des moines]

Conversatives are the worst. I used to be a libertarian (considered myself socially liberal and economically conservative) until I woke up and saw the world as it REALLY is, not just what I wanted it to be I always pegged Estelle as a liberal (not Liberal Party, just... liberal) because of what she said before going in the house regarding taking issue with people who are sexist, racist and homophobic. I always figured Ray was very right-wing, just based on his comments about women alone, which was why I could never warm to him the way other sections of this site did.

BTW I am getting so many lols from this thread, and from the certain poster who wants to maintain that the Nazi regime wasn't right-wing. LMAO. Classic.

Green Zone 4 Lyf

 

[mcv]

I always figured Ray was very right-wing, just based on his comments about women alone, which was why I could never warm to him the way other sections of this site did.

What did he say?

Also, what do you people think about the other housemates - Angie, Layla, Josh, Sam etc.?

 

[des moines]

He was always speaking about the girls in a chauvinistic way. Saying he wanted to swap all the female HMs for the fake ones just because they were 'hotter', as though the female HMs didn't have any value other than their appearance. Ben and/or Michael said that in the secrets challenge when they were sent to the mens lair to discuss the women, the things he'd say about the girls would even make them uncomfortable.

 

[derspatz]

... the Nazi regime wasn't right-wing.

Ah, so you DID read this: http://jonjayray.tripod.com/hitler.html and have finally realised you had been propagandized and duped by left-urdian "educators".

Why did it take so long though ?

Makes me wonder what are you gunna do now. Are you going to return to the convenient lie and try and forget about what you've just learned, or are you going to make a stand for the truth instead ?

Oh, and what did you think of the greenazi ex leader Bob Brown basically invoking "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer ("One People, one State, one leader")" not so long go, what with his call (and greenazi policy) for a new world order one world government / parliarment and all that ?

Ashamed of your "green zone" yet ?

Anyhoo, and speaking of things green, perhaps this will amuse you further:

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I do like the bit about recycled road-kill

regarDS

 

[mcv]

He was always speaking about the girls in a chauvinistic way. Saying he wanted to swap all the female HMs for the fake ones just because they were 'hotter', as though the female HMs didn't have any value other than their appearance.

I'm a relatively left wing woman and I am okay with that. Some men are naturally that way, and I think we should just accept it. Doesn't mean they are right wing.

I guess if Ray was really chauvinistic, Estelle wouldn't talk to her.

 

[Jesus_christ]

Ray was just telling the truth, all the women there are ugly. Because appearance always counts.

 

[des moines]

LOL nah I'm perfectly fine with NOT accepting sexist BS thanks. The fact Ray's constant degradation of women was making even Michael and Ben uncomfortable says to me it's pretty obvious he crossed a line.