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Nyx said:
There is a difference between omission and fabrication. And there's a difference between notifying your partner that you're going on a reality show and will be "single" for the duration and making a maudlin ostentatious show of what anyone watching would think are quite poor financial circumstances. And that thought process was validated because Jake's financial situation was the sole reason shown for Lawson and Aysia selecting him. I doubt many viewers would be too fussed if wasn't for that fact. But it is a fact that this lie is influencing other hms decision making and that's certainly worth discussion.

Do you seriously see no advantage in the winner of BB 2013, Jake's buddy and roommate, entering the house after watching the show and having a wealth of outsider information and public opinion? The situation is entirely unethical. And although we didn't see Tim and Jake engaged in conversation and we don't know what secrets were shared specifically, I think we'd all be foolish to think Tim didn't aid Jake in whatever ways he could manage. Furthermore, what we did see was a lot of propping on Tim's part. "Love triangle" this "love triangle" that. He couldn't have been anymore adamant in carving out Jake a storyline.
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Okay, but the sole thing we know he lied about/obfuscated is the fact that he lives with Tim. Who I'm pretty sure only posted his own bank details on Twitter and not Jake's or anyone else's. It certainly could be a lie or an exaggeration, but we have literally nothing to prove it either way.
 
littlebear said:
Okay, but the sole thing we know he lied about/obfuscated is the fact that he lives with Tim. Who I'm pretty sure only posted his own bank details on Twitter and not Jake's or anyone else's. It certainly could be a lie or an exaggeration, but we have literally nothing to prove it either way.
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Glad you agree that Jake could be lying or at the very least exaggerating. No one claimed any "proof". We're speculating.

Didn't get the bit about Tim's bank details but ok.
 
Nyx said:
Glad you agree that Jake could be lying or at the very least exaggerating. No one claimed any "proof". We're speculating.

Didn't get the bit about Tim's bank details but ok.
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Except for the part about calling it a lie, but ok.;)

Tim posted an image of bank details after his prize money came in and...it's a long story.
 
littlebear said:
Except for the part about calling it a lie, but ok.;)

Tim posted an image of bank details after his prize money came in and...it's a long story.
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I'm just a bit confused as to your position regarding Jake. How do you see that it is not an issue? Are you family/friends/housemate of Jake's?
It is early days in the game, where character storylines and audience perceptions are being established with viewers, and Jake has already had a distinct advantage over the other HMs by having HIS HOUSEMATE enter the house, and who knows what else wasn't shown, but Tim drumming in a storyline between a Lisa/Jake/Skye love triangle (he knows Lisa in real life too, so...yeah, insert an eye roll here) was completely transparent. How BB even allowed this is beyond a joke, contact with and information from a loved one, let alone the previous winner of BB. What a crock of crap. It completely compromises what the show is all about. I wonder how the HMs will view it after they are out (and who knows then how they will feel if he wins the whole thing - jipped, I'm sure, for the ones that have half a brain).

As for crying poor, yeah, we don't know his financial situation, but neither do the other housemates, so all they have are "the words that flow from his mouth". In life, the circumstances we find ourselves in are often the direct result of our choices. For example, Aisha is most likely poor now because she chose to run away after her footballer BF overseas to be a WAG. So her situation is a result of that choice.

Someone said it before, but something about Jake just doesn't seem genuine, and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like he knows how to manipulate people and they fall for it, time and time again. The way he was smirking when everyone stood behind him during the eviction, and how he said it felt so good that they chose him - um, my personal immediate thoughts would be how BAD I felt for the other person that housemates were choosing me over them, not how awesome the feeling was! I guess that is just an example of his s perspective, and it seems to be all about "me, me, me," which actually doesn't surprise me about many of the spotlight chasers that end up on the show.
 
RealityRaver2 said:
I'm just a bit confused as to your position regarding Jake. How do you see that it is not an issue? Are you family/friends/housemate of Jake's?
It is early days in the game, where character storylines and audience perceptions are being established with viewers, and Jake has already had a distinct advantage over the other HMs by having HIS HOUSEMATE enter the house, and who knows what else wasn't shown, but Tim drumming in a storyline between a Lisa/Jake/Skye love triangle (he knows Lisa in real life too, so...yeah, insert an eye roll here) was completely transparent. How BB even allowed this is beyond a joke, contact with and information from a loved one, let alone the previous winner of BB. What a crock of crap. It completely compromises what the show is all about. I wonder how the HMs will view it after they are out (and who knows then how they will feel if he wins the whole thing - jipped, I'm sure, for the ones that have half a brain).
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No, I am not a friend or family member (Are you serious with that? Someone who looks at things differently to you must be related to him?), and yes, I do think the Tim thing is a BIG issue and should either have kept him out of the house or been made transparent on the show and to the HMs from the outset. 100%. It's not fair. (Although to read these forums, at least, it's hurting him far more than it's helping him.) I just see a lot of assumptions (not just speculation) stemming from that fact being projected onto what we see on screen--and what we don't see--and I'm questioning some of the logic there.. Just a discussion.

As for crying poor, yeah, we don't know his financial situation, but neither do the other housemates, so all they have are "the words that flow from his mouth". In life, the circumstances we find ourselves in are often the direct result of our choices. For example, Aisha is most likely poor now because she chose to run away after her footballer BF overseas to be a WAG. So her situation is a result of that choice.
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Absolutely true. But what's the point there? That they don't know if he's telling the truth? That if he's made some imperfect financial choices he doesn't deserve a leg up? That the money, which had to be given away, should have gone to someone you like and trust more?
Someone said it before, but something about Jake just doesn't seem genuine, and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like he knows how to manipulate people and they fall for it, time and time again. The way he was smirking when everyone stood behind him during the eviction, and how he said it felt so good that they chose him - um, my personal immediate thoughts would be how BAD I felt for the other person that housemates were choosing me over them, not how awesome the feeling was! I guess that is just an example of his s perspective, and it seems to be all about "me, me, me," which actually doesn't surprise me about many of the spotlight chasers that end up on the show.
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Fair enough; not how I interpreted the situation, but it's a matter of opinion. And yes, a lot of them are spotlight chasers--ALL of them, in fact, to some extent--which is also part of my point.

Anyway, I'm really not trying to start an argument, because I really don't care enough. I've just been kind of perplexed by what the problem is with the money, or why the guy gets so much vitriol directed at him alone over an issue that probably is not fully in his control. It just shouldn't have happened in the first place.
 
Nyx said:
I just think he's a liar. Whether it's of his own accord or BB's direction, I dunno but we know they're helping him cover up. His story is too inconsistent to be totally true, and all these other hms coming out of the woodwork just make me more suspicious. It's not like they're going to admit he's not a struggling "starving artist" when clearly that is what Jake is promoting himself as. They wouldn't be friends if they were just going to undercut him.

I don't think Jake is "rich" but as I said in another thread, if he can afford to split rent with Tim in Bondi, he is far from "needy." If he is just a glorified guest and Tim is footing the brunt of expenses and lodging, then spending $80 at clubs doesn't endear him to me. And now that we've seen a glimpse of his sob story ('I had to go to my father with nothing.') At the very least it reeks of exaggeration and hyperbole. In the moments where he is speaking about his financial situation or when he was commenting on receiving the 5k, he came across so incredibly forced and inauthentic. And I find him pretty natural, otherwise. So I think he has definitely embellished his backstory. I don't have much of an opinion on that because many hms do. I just think he has done a poor job of it. Tim he most certainly is not.
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THIS ^^^^^^ couldn't agree more!! How contrived were his mannerisms and para language when he was telling that 'sob' story??!!!! Totally kudos to Ryan (I thought he was babein before but this takes it to another level) for seeing through his facade, I believe Ryan is smarter than what he is given credit for.

Another example was when he started crying upon hearing Gemma's finale message, he had bitched about her in the yard all casual like after eviction, and then he turned it on for the cameras during the final message when he knew he was being filmed....Jake certainly gives Jason a run for his money in terms of theatrics!!!
 
To the posters glossing over the Tim Dormer/Jake connection ... how would you feel if one of Katie's prissy private school besties was sent in to the house this weekend to tell her EVERYTHING about how BB14 is panning out with voting audiences, whilst giving her tips and suggestions as to how she can skew the game in her favour?

That's what happened here with Tim and Jake and it has totally compromised the already shoddy credibility of the show.

Hopefully enough people get wind of what's happened and it helps torpedo Jake out of the house. To my mind he is a deadset cheat.
 
So was that Jake walking outside in his orange jocks?
Guys getting round in jocks seems to be a trend this season.
 
Aisha > Tahan said:
To the posters glossing over the Tim Dormer/Jake connection ... how would you feel if one of Katie's prissy private school besties was sent in to the house this weekend to tell her EVERYTHING about how BB14 is panning out with voting audiences, whilst giving her tips and suggestions as to how she can skew the game in her favour?

That's what happened here with Tim and Jake and it has totally compromised the already shoddy credibility of the show.

Hopefully enough people get wind of what's happened and it helps torpedo Jake out of the house. To my mind he is a deadset cheat.
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I haven't glossed over the connection at all, but clearly I missed all of this happening, despite having watched the show and all that.

The producers put him on the show in spite of the connection. Which is on them. If the voting public objects and wants him out, that's fine, but how it constitutes cheating on his part is beyond me.
 
Michka26 said:
How contrived were his mannerisms and para language when he was telling that 'sob' story??!!!! Totally kudos to Ryan (I thought he was babein before but this takes it to another level) for seeing through his facade, I believe Ryan is smarter than what he is given credit for.

Another example was when he started crying upon hearing Gemma's finale message, he had bitched about her in the yard all casual like after eviction, and then he turned it on for the cameras during the final message when he knew he was being filmed....Jake certainly gives Jason a run for his money in terms of theatrics!!!
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Exactly! I just immediately thought, "Crocodile tears". I felt like the whole time, he was concentrating on trying to cry rather than actually listening to what Gemma was saying. He paid her out after her eviction, and now he's going to cry over her? Please. The audience is not as gullible or dumb as you think. It's things like this that just reinforce to me how inauthentic and disingenuous the guy is, which makes me distrust his sob stories all the more.
 
the Theorist said:
They showed very brief snippets of what seemed to be his "sob story" during the Nominations tonight.

Honestly, his story seemed boring, his tears seemed fake and he'll probably be so pissed that it never made it to air.
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I agree. Like finishing a degree at Uni is so devastating. I struggle to finish my degree everyday. I am a student, but manage my money well and am still happy and healthy, But I don't live in Bondi lol. Many degrees don't give you a guaranteed job after graduation. Uni students are encouraged to get experience in their profession during their Uni years so that they will transition into work a lot easier.

I would really like to hear this 'sob story.' I want to determine how sad it really is. I am thinking it goes like " I could only go to the Ivy on special occasions when my mum had wired me some money."
 
starstruck said:
I agree. Like finishing a degree at Uni is so devastating. I struggle to finish my degree everyday. I am a student, but manage my money well and am still happy and healthy, But I don't live in Bondi lol. Many degrees don't give you a guaranteed job after graduation. Uni students are encouraged to get experience in their profession during their Uni years so that they will transition into work a lot easier.
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Yeah, he was crying that all of his school friends are accountants these days and he isn't, and it's really hard trying to get into the creative industries (as if that wasn't his own choice?). I love how Ryan called him out because he is in the same industry and said it isn't that hard.
Besides, how is it his school friends' fault that they are now all accountants? Because they did the course and the work and he didn't?

He sounds like he has an underlying sense of entitlement in life, probably went to a private school (hence why all his school friends are in high-paying accounting jobs) and when life becomes even a remote struggle, he cries "Why me?"
Mate, put on your Where's Wally glasses and get looking for a reality check.
 
Boo hoo Jake. I wouldn't want to give my time to someone who thinks they are hard done by when they are obviously not.

What is he going to complain about next? "When I was two my parents separated and it scarred me for life. I can't move on. Everything is so different. I can't help thinking it's my fault."

What a douche.
 
So much insight gathered from one little snippet, it's amazing. :rolleyes: When did he act entitled or blame his school friends for anything? I know we speculate like crazy here, and I love that about us, but I'm not sure I've ever seen so much hatred coming from so little actual information. Yeesh, I give up.
 
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