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Soap_On_A_Rope
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if someone called me a black c..t i would beat the shit out of him and then ask "but Im white" lol see doesnt matter
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Michael's joke?
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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I would probably bash him for fun
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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that better?
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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im a very white man but my island is an aboriginal island
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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im very tanned lol
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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llolol
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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2 player clled each othera rude word
In 1982 i had 4 teeth knocked out and a fellow suggested I was "soft"
In 1982 i had 4 teeth knocked out and a fellow suggested I was "soft"
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Soap_On_A_Rope
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he was funny he has four plates in his head now but shit hes funny
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Marty Smarty Boy
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The crazy bitch is going to need security and protection when she leaves the house.
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supermonster
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I'm pretty sure the Equal Opportunity & Human Right Commission would treat both the same. In general terms though, it's somewhat of a false equivalence. The pattern of abuse is historically and materially overwhelmingly against the Aboriginal (or usually any minority). The white on black offence is worse than the other way around even though that too is an offence.
Tussie
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Not really seeing how this is relevant to Estelle, but what you just did above is how the British National Party ( extreme racist white only no other ethnics groups allowed, homophobic political group) works in the UK. They take a scenario where once a white person may have been treated not so well as someone who's black, Asian, Muslim etc and make a huge deal of it. Taking the odd occassions and making them sound like every day, which is far from the truth. I'm sure if you add up all these scenarios against people who have suffered racial abuse due to their ethnicity, you'd fine that the scenario you mention above would most probably have quite a low percentage, compared to the racial abuse. It's false propoganda, trying to make something seem out of control when it's not.
On a more relevant note, I assumed Estelle was going for the political correct badge, which she does like to shine and maybe didn't listen well enough to Michael to get that wasn't where he was coming from. They could've had a really interesting conversation about the whole thing, but Estelle made it personal against Michael and that is never going to get them anywhere. I have no problem with political correct really, but if you are going down that route, you need to listen and suss when you really need to go there. Otherwise you just end up with a PC tag seen as an insult. Saying that, this was how I saw it from what little we have seen. As I said earlier though, we really don't know what happened to know if either was wrong or was right. We can only really guess and make judgements on the little we do see and how we see the HM.
eye
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Michael is a shifty bastard.
The thing with this "joke" is that it was told.
It doesn't matter what the context is as long as it was told in a way that presents it in the original form. If he really wanted to discuss the offensive nature of this type of joke he could have done that without reselling it.
It's just a devious way of actually getting to tell the joke.
Someone could say to Michael in a "debate".... "YOU KNOW WHAT MICHAEL? I WOULD FIND IT REALLY OFFENSIVE IF YOU WERE CALLED A CUN+. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AND DEBATE IT IF YOU LIKE...."
The thing with this "joke" is that it was told.
It doesn't matter what the context is as long as it was told in a way that presents it in the original form. If he really wanted to discuss the offensive nature of this type of joke he could have done that without reselling it.
It's just a devious way of actually getting to tell the joke.
Someone could say to Michael in a "debate".... "YOU KNOW WHAT MICHAEL? I WOULD FIND IT REALLY OFFENSIVE IF YOU WERE CALLED A CUN+. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AND DEBATE IT IF YOU LIKE...."
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supermonster
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It absolutely does. This is Michael's problem with Estelle. She misses a discussion about racism to exploit the example of racism used as illustration so she can claim some high ground for herself. The HMs get where he's coming from. Michael is explicitly saying that what he wasn't doing was telling a racist joke.
To say he's deviously employing some context because he really wants to tell this joke makes absolutely no sense in light of his subsequent disgust with Estelle. He's offended that she's made him out to look like a bigot. If he was happy to tell racist jokes I doubt he would care much what Estelle thought of it.
eye
Practice safe sexting :)
Neither of us having seen Michael present the joke... I think such things are obviously going to depend on your own pov.
I get how Michael thinks. I can tell he's brightish and understand his mo.
To discuss the abhorrence of murder I don't have to bash someone's brains in, in front of your eyes to debate it.
He didn't have to tell the joke to make any relevant discussion on it.
It just doesn't wash with me.
zelda
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Exactly it seemed to me Estelle was protesting that he was retelling the joke -she didn't as far as we know protest the first time he told the story, but that she didn't like the repeated telling of the story and the joke and didn't feel it necessary to be brought up again.
But I also agree it's hard to tell who was at fault and I suspect both are loathe to give credit to the other.
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supermonster
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That is a patently absurd comparison. It would be more like Michael was talking about the problem of violence and then Estelle piped up that she doesn't like hearing violent talk, as if the most salient aspect of his speech was that it contained violence and ignoring that it was about violence.
I've had conversations where people get all princess sparkle pony precious in their effort to miss the wood for the trees and it is very infuriating. Attempts to clarify see the princess dig a deeper hole trying to pile the ground higher. That's where Estelle is at.
It's a shame we don't know much about that first time. It's worth pointing out that Michael isn't somehow initiating these discussions. They've come up on both occasions when people have asked, "What's the most offensive joke you've ever heard?" In this latter case it was raised by Bradley.
The "joke" is part of an anecdote about a time he got in trouble for telling it when he was six years old. He didn't start up a conversation about racism and then use it to crowbar in an offensive joke to be edgy, which seems to be the way Estelle lovers are trying to paint the situation.
Miranda MC
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all these pages of sledging, only makes me want to hear the original joke and judge it myself. i am 100% sure ch9 will never ever show the footage of the actually joke, my only hope is when michael gets the flick, he can tell sonia.
From what I gather is that Michael told the story and "joke" 2 times in the house. Estelle told him she found the joke offensive the first time. The second time she again told him she didn't like the joke and it didn't need repeating because he had already told it before in the house. IMO Estelle is in the right. If Michael is aware that the story makes Estelle uncomfortable and is offensive to her and he repeats it in front of her, then he is wrong. plain and simple.