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Jade 2013 Appreciation thread

jo_jo said:
Ed may have had his hand on her arse ten seconds before this pick was taken....you can't tell something from one quick snap like this as it's such a brief moment in time.
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You're right and that's true. However collectively, Eds track record for not showing Jade physical affection speaks volumes. Don't get me wrong either, I've been a 'from day dot' fan of Jades and my frustration with her wax's and wanes as well.

Gemini said:
I can see your point. Despite what a lot of people around here might think, I don't think Ed is an awful person or "evil" at all. However, his inability to show any affection or stand up and make a decision regarding them one way or another drives me up the wall because it always leaves Jade looking pathetic and open for a lot of criticism (this pic is case in point).

Like [MENTION=35037]Drade 2013[/MENTION] said that when she saw them in Melbourne he had his hand on her arse, but yet Jade is gonna cop it from every which direction for this. Not because it's a big deal deal, but because people will be all like "here she goes again, groping someone that doesn't even like her pathetic!!"
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Agree, totally! I also don't think Ed is Evil (as in malignant) that's a big call. I don't like the bloke though, and as I said above, I do think Ed is a dead set 'emotionally avoidant affectionate crippled non-demonstrative' prick! Meaning, the guy has no emotional integrity and I wish Jade wouldn't return even a crumb of affection his way.

I also agree with Drade 2013 and yourself. Jade will always cop it regardless. It's unfair and unjust. She's just being herself and going with her emotions, whereas Ed is 'always on' thinking about how things will look. Emotionally, they're oil and water.
 
YosemiteSam said:
Emotionally, they're oil and water.
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It's not just emotionally though. They're just so...different. Before anyone jumps at me, this isn't a rant at Ed at all. We saw in the house how different they were, and now that they're out and we know more about their lifestyles it's even more blatantly obvious. As was pointed out in the other thread, even just have a look at the way Jade dresses in comparison to Ed's crew in Melb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jade dresses at all, but it's completely different to how someone in Ed's world would. Take a look at their Instagram pics before they went into the house. They're completely different people from completely different worlds.

I know opposites can attract, but at the end of the day Jade would have to change in order to feel comfortable in Ed's world and lifestyle, and the idea of that happening legitimately breaks my heart. It's good they can have fun now together while they're still in the BB bubble, but when you think about them making it work in the real world you've gotta be realistic. Being a but different to your partner is good sometimes, but there's also too different where ultimately someone has to change in order for it to work. Those types of relationships either never last or they do but one or both parties is entirely miserable.

We even saw it in the house IMO. To me, Jade did change a bit towards the end, and IMO it was to be someone that she tought Ed would like. It was sad to watch because to me, Jade has a lot more postive qualities than him, and she shouldn't have to hide her qualities that we fell in love with in the beginning just so bloody Ed will like her. I tought the night when she pretty much implied that she wanted to go and play in the pool with Drew, Tim, Tahan and Boog but wouldn't because her group didn't want to was pretty telling. Also that she only started to have fun and seem happy again in the last week after he was gone.

It's sad but she'll learn eventually. You just can't try and change who you are and expect to be happy. That's just how I see it anyway. Again, im not having a dig at Ed here...just pointing out that they're very different.
 
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jo_jo said:
Ed may have had his hand on her arse ten seconds before this pick was taken....you can't tell something from one quick snap like this as it's such a brief moment in time.
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Gemini said:
I can see your point. Despite what a lot of people around here might think, I don't think Ed is an awful person or "evil" at all. However, his inability to show any affection or stand up and make a decision regarding them one way or another drives me up the wall because it always leaves Jade looking pathetic and open for a lot of criticism (this pic is case in point).

Like [MENTION=35037]Drade 2013[/MENTION] said that when she saw them in Melbourne he had his hand on her arse, but yet Jade is gonna cop it from every which direction for this. Not because it's a big deal deal, but because people will be all like "here she goes again, groping someone that doesn't even like her pathetic!!"
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In my field, we call this Confirmation Bias. People search out and use as "proof" of their hypothesis or belief information that confirms (or seems to confirm) their already established point of view. People are particularly susceptible to utilizing ambiguous information (as this picture is) in such a manner.

The problem is, people have a belief about who Jade and Ed are and what the Jade and Ed relationship is. They then seek out confirming data, crowing madly when they are sure they have found it. Unfortunately, Ed's own ambiguous behavior and statements just fuel this pattern. So, in that sense, [MENTION=35381]Gemini[/MENTION], this IS Ed's fault. At the same time, confirmation bias dictates that even if Ed changed his behavior or Jade changed hers, the same people would have the same already established views and ignore the new information. For instance, it's been obvious since before Melbourne that Jade has pulled waaaayyyy back on whatever is going on, at least publicly. Yet she posted one pic of them from the NW article and people were acting like she was a pathetic stalker, talking about how they were done with her, etc.

I see the very same confirmation bias in everything certain people post about Tim (or even about Tim and Jade). I see it in stuff about Mikkayla and, for some people, Ben. I think message boards must be fertile breeding grounds for such thought processes.

I complained about the flack Ed has copped in this thread lately not because I think people shouldn't say what they think, but because I think people aren't always aware of how their biases influence their thoughts and words. I am certainly as susceptible as the next person to biases (and I know I'm incredibly biased towards Jade). But, for me, when new information doesn't fit with my established way of thinking, I try to figure out where I am wrong. I'm far more invested in understanding people than I am in "proving" myself to always be right. Hence why I make long, analytical posts, which sometimes conflict with my earlier thoughts, because I'm always in a state of trying to make sense of the world. I realize that other people don't operate this way, and I apologize if anyone felt constrained because of my post yesterday.
 
Gemini said:
It's not just emotionally though. They're just so...different. Before anyone jumps at me, this isn't a rant at Ed at all. We saw in the house how different they were, and now that they're out and we know more about their lifestyles it's even more blatantly obvious. As was pointed out in the other thread, even just have a look at the way Jade dresses in comparison to Ed's crew in Melb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jade dresses at all, but it's completely different to how someone in Ed's world would. Take a look at their Instagram pics before they went into the house. They're completely different people from completely different worlds.

I know opposites can attract, but at the end of the day Jade would have to change in order to feel comfortable in Ed's world and lifestyle, and the idea of that happening legitimately breaks my heart. It's good they can have fun now together while they're still in the BB bubble, but when you think about them making it work in the real world you've gotta be realistic. Being a but different to your partner is good sometimes, but there's also too different where ultimately someone has to change in order for it to work. Those types of relationships either never last or they do but one or both parties is entirely miserable.
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Exactly she's more free-spirited beach girl that loves tigers and kids down to earth type. and he's from the city tanner ,gym rat party type a bro guy with an ex girlfriend roommate .a sport fanatic type.

Incompatible period .
 
Gemini said:
It's not just emotionally though. They're just so...different. Before anyone jumps at me, this isn't a rant at Ed at all. We saw in the house how different they were, and now that they're out and we know more about their lifestyles it's even more blatantly obvious. As was pointed out in the other thread, even just have a look at the way Jade dresses in comparison to Ed's crew in Melb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jade dresses at all, but it's completely different to how someone in Ed's world would. Take a look at their Instagram pics before they went into the house. They're completely different people from completely different worlds.

I know opposites can attract, but at the end of the day Jade would have to change in order to feel comfortable in Ed's world and lifestyle, and the idea of that happening legitimately breaks my heart. It's good they can have fun now together while they're still in the BB bubble, but when you think about them making it work in the real world you've gotta be realistic. Being a but different to your partner is good sometimes, but there's also too different where ultimately someone has to change in order for it to work. Those types of relationships either never last or they do but one or both parties is entirely miserable.

We even saw it in the house IMO. To me, Jade did change a bit towards the end, and IMO it was to be someone that she tought Ed would like. It was sad to watch because to me, Jade has a lot more postive qualities than him, and she shouldn't have to hide her qualities that we fell in love with in the beginning just so bloody Ed will like her. I tought the night when she pretty much implied that she wanted to go and play in the pool with Drew, Tim, Tahan and Boog but wouldn't because her group didn't want to was pretty telling. Also that she only started to have fun and seem happy again in the last week after he was gone.

It's sad but she'll learn eventually. You just can't try and change who you are and expect to be happy. That's just how I see it anyway. Again, im not having a dig at Ed here...just pointing out that they're very different.
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I agree with this completely. Great well thought out and written post!
 
Gemini said:
It's not just emotionally though. They're just so...different. Before anyone jumps at me, this isn't a rant at Ed at all. We saw in the house how different they were, and now that they're out and we know more about their lifestyles it's even more blatantly obvious. As was pointed out in the other thread, even just have a look at the way Jade dresses in comparison to Ed's crew in Melb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jade dresses at all, but it's completely different to how someone in Ed's world would. Take a look at their Instagram pics before they went into the house. They're completely different people from completely different worlds.

I know opposites can attract, but at the end of the day Jade would have to change in order to feel comfortable in Ed's world and lifestyle, and the idea of that happening legitimately breaks my heart. It's good they can have fun now together while they're still in the BB bubble, but when you think about them making it work in the real world you've gotta be realistic. Being a but different to your partner is good sometimes, but there's also too different where ultimately someone has to change in order for it to work. Those types of relationships either never last or they do but one or both parties is entirely miserable.

We even saw it in the house IMO. To me, Jade did change a bit towards the end, and IMO it was to be someone that she tought Ed would like. It was sad to watch because to me, Jade has a lot more postive qualities than him, and she shouldn't have to hide her qualities that we fell in love with in the beginning just so bloody Ed will like her. I tought the night when she pretty much implied that she wanted to go and play in the pool with Drew, Tim, Tahan and Boog but wouldn't because her group didn't want to was pretty telling. Also that she only started to have fun and seem happy again in the last week after he was gone.

It's sad but she'll learn eventually. You just can't try and change who you are and expect to be happy.
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I think you are completely right in many ways, particularly about lifestyles. I said a couple of days ago that they have completely different priorities and interests, with very little overlap, which makes life very difficult, especially for a couple in the public eye. I think opposites can and do work, but only if they have another other commonalities such as, I don't know, living in the SAME DAMN PLACE, for goodness sake. But the truth is, Ed would require that Jade fit into HIS life, and I just don't see her being happy doing that, because his life, his friends, his way of being, is so different from hers.

I will argue, though, against your perspective of how Jade supposedly changed in the house. She said early on that she was a rule follower and I don't think she was ever comfortable with Tim and Drew not being so. Like I said, there was a clip of her and Drew in the halfway house where Jade was lecturing him on his behavior, telling him if he was around her more, she would keep him from getting into trouble. And the whole push to get her to fart and burp was something she was NEVER comfortable with, no matter when that happened. As for the "fun" the cool group was having, my take was that she was frustrated that the other group was deliberately causing friction through their displays of "fun". Like with the "whistles" which had happened earlier in the day, Jade knew that the others were targeting them with their fun. It was an act of passive-aggressiveness, and Jade didn't want to be part of that, even if she would have liked for all of them to have had a good time TOGETHER, but her group hadn't been invited to join in. The only way to have had the fun was to have joined in on the aggressive behavior and Jade was unwilling to do that.

Jade had some fun the last week in the house because everyone included her and was kind to her, something that hadn't been happening before Ed left. But that only lasted until the pranks got out of hand and Tim started to melt down. As that happened, Jade became more stressed and unhappy again. That had nothing to do with Ed, and everything to do with the people around her.
 
Sorry...another thought...

Notice, like in Sydney and here again, that Jade and Ed seem to get along best when around HER friends and her interests. That's also when many of us find him the most tolerable. Maybe that's because Ed unconsciously changes for HER almost as much as she supposedly changes for him.
 
Morning all - interesting night.

Just a word on the Jade-hand-on-Ed-butt shot. I was scrolling through the other thread and saw a front on photo of Jade and Ed with a couple of fans. Following the line of his arm, pretty sure his hand was on her butt (no mention made of it made in that thread) - so I'm pretty sure there's plenty of mutual butt-grabbing going on with them.

Also a thought on the assumption that Ed is ensuring that there are always others with them so he and Jade are never alone. I'm starting to wonder if it is more a case of Ed being places where Jade is with other people now. Granted, he came to the GC for the AFL draft. Jade was already there and was going to be seeing the sisters. Ed joins the already planned group.

They do the AWL photoshoot, and then Jade pops off the Screamnight with Tim, as arranged. Ed conceivably should be heading off to wherever else he is going. Photos appear of Jade and Tim having fun - Ed then posts a shot saying he is at the gym at the hotel they are all staying, letting people know he is still around. He then joins Tim and Jade on their night out (which was already tweeted by Tim a couple of days ago) and the sisters join them too (which makes sense).

This seems it may be a bit more tag-along Ed, than desperate to not be alone with Jade
 
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Jane Doe said:
Sorry...another thought...

Notice, like in Sydney and here again, that Jade and Ed seem to get along best when around HER friends and her interests. That's also when many of us find him the most tolerable. Maybe that's because Ed unconsciously changes for HER almost as much as she supposedly changes for him.
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Good point
 
I can see where you're all coming from, but l guess I'm of the opinion now that as long as they don't get in each others way of what they have going on as individuals, what's wrong with having fun together. Ultimately their lifestyles may not mesh enough for a lasting relationship, but at least what went on tonight is normal interaction. Going out and enjoying themselves AFTER Jade got her time to do her thing at Dreamworld with Tim l don't see anything wrong with. Ed actually got more respect for me because he didn't crash that.
On a fashion note, damn Jade looked hot! l didn't even notice her hand on his arse at first because I was too busy looking at hers! haha.
Ed, it's summer at the GC, you don't have to dress for the cold lol

Here's another picture:

http://instagram.com/p/hBUWBkEV5g/
 
jo_jo said:
Exactly.....imagine if we only ever ended up with a carbon copy of ourselves.
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There's a massive difference between being a carbon copy of yourself, and having absolutely nothing in common that your respective life styles can't even mesh without one of you needing to change who you are. I won't go into their compatibility personality wise, because everyone will see that differently.

If you actually think the the Jade we've seen, the one that loves the beach and her family and nature more than anything would actually be happy sitting sitting alone in Melbourne, away from the sun, while Ed goes out and parties with his AFL mates then I think we must have been watching a very different person for the past 3 months.

Jane Doe said:
I will argue, though, against your perspective of how Jade supposedly changed in the house. She said early on that she was a rule follower and I don't think she was ever comfortable with Tim and Drew not being so. Like I said, there was a clip of her and Drew in the halfway house where Jade was lecturing him on his behavior, telling him if he was around her more, she would keep him from getting into trouble. And the whole push to get her to fart and burp was something she was NEVER comfortable with, no matter when that happened. As for the "fun" the cool group was having, my take was that she was frustrated that the other group was deliberately causing friction through their displays of "fun". Like with the "whistles" which had happened earlier in the day, Jade knew that the others were targeting them with their fun. It was an act of passive-aggressiveness, and Jade didn't want to be part of that, even if she would have liked for all of them to have had a good time TOGETHER, but her group hadn't been invited to join in. The only way to have had the fun was to have joined in on the aggressive behavior and Jade was unwilling to do that.
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For the record I do agree with (most) of this. However, the pranks, silly group wars, breaking the rules, etc wasn't what I was referring to at all. (my bad for the misunderstanding by using a bad example). More that I felt like Jade often said stuff to Ed that she thought he wanted her to say, even though it completely contradicted everything we had previously seen of her. I remember a video where Ed was telling Jade that she needed to confront Tahan on her behaviour. Jade joked saying that she wished she could just write down all of the examples and list them off during an argument. Ed said something about Tim, and Jade very awkwardly and unconvincingly said something about how his "list" would be pages and pages long. When she said it Ed smiled happily, and she immediately de-tensed like she had gotten his approval. Now from what we saw for most of the show, Jade (rightly or wrongly) quite adored Tim, and even though I think at that stage he was pissing her off with the groups thing, I also extremely doubt she thought that Tim was that bad that he had pages and pages of deficiencies. I think I only remember that video vividly because I remember thinking "oh wow".

Likewise after the Boog/Tim fight when she told Ed that she was happy for him (Ed) that the others had seen what "Tim was really like". I'm sorry, but to me from what we saw, there's no way that was Jade's own opinion of Tim, but more what she knew Ed wanted to hear. The fact that she happily slotted back in as as Tim's BFF when Ed left, after we saw with her and Drew that she could be cold to someone when she didn't like what they were doing, shows me that she didn't personally share the same issues as Ed did re Tim, but she said she did so Ed would "approve".

I think there was a lot of other issues at play here, particularly how Tim and Drew's behaviour towards Jade changed when Ed was on the scene, however there's no doubt in my mind that Jade did to a degree change her views and opinions (at least openly) for Ed. I must say though that I was impressed with her refusing to "change" when Tim, Boog and Drew were trying to get her to fart, burp, or whatever. I wish she had that same confidence with Ed though to not need his approval...which to me at least she did to a degree.
 
YosemiteSam said:
Had to come out of lurkerdom because I'm so pissed off seeing this photo.

Ed is a dead set 'emotionally avoidant affectionate crippled non-demonstrative' prick!

Flashbacks to the house... Jade has her hand on his arse and his arms are anywhere but near touching her.

I held back commentating on the photo of him at lunch with Jade. His body language spoke volumes... he did not want that photo taken. His arms were crossed in either a defensive or aggressive manner... maybe both. Between his eyebrows were creases indicating either frustration or annoyance. Overall this look was for Jade... and it was a negative one.

I wish he'd just fuck off once and for all. Jade deserves someone emotionally intelligent and available. Someone loving and openly affectionate and, No! I don't mean grand acts or gratuitous PDAs. He's a narcissistic stunted waste of time and Jade deserves someone who's way into her and knows how lucky he is.

I feel better now...

BTW... I made no promises to go easy on Ed. Compared to the average 'lack of love for Ed'... my quota is no-where near done :)[/QUOTE]

HAHAHA.... fair enough! ;)
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Gemini said:
It's not just emotionally though. They're just so...different. Before anyone jumps at me, this isn't a rant at Ed at all. We saw in the house how different they were, and now that they're out and we know more about their lifestyles it's even more blatantly obvious. As was pointed out in the other thread, even just have a look at the way Jade dresses in comparison to Ed's crew in Melb. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Jade dresses at all, but it's completely different to how someone in Ed's world would. Take a look at their Instagram pics before they went into the house. They're completely different people from completely different worlds.

I know opposites can attract, but at the end of the day Jade would have to change in order to feel comfortable in Ed's world and lifestyle, and the idea of that happening legitimately breaks my heart. It's good they can have fun now together while they're still in the BB bubble, but when you think about them making it work in the real world you've gotta be realistic. Being a but different to your partner is good sometimes, but there's also too different where ultimately someone has to change in order for it to work. Those types of relationships either never last or they do but one or both parties is entirely miserable.

We even saw it in the house IMO. To me, Jade did change a bit towards the end, and IMO it was to be someone that she tought Ed would like. It was sad to watch because to me, Jade has a lot more postive qualities than him, and she shouldn't have to hide her qualities that we fell in love with in the beginning just so bloody Ed will like her. I tought the night when she pretty much implied that she wanted to go and play in the pool with Drew, Tim, Tahan and Boog but wouldn't because her group didn't want to was pretty telling. Also that she only started to have fun and seem happy again in the last week after he was gone.

It's sad but she'll learn eventually. You just can't try and change who you are and expect to be happy. That's just how I see it anyway. Again, im not having a dig at Ed here...just pointing out that they're very different.
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Hear! Hear!
 
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