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Oz, the foolish country.

Socialism/left-ardism vainly trying to hide behind the mask of environmentalism (that has nothing to do with real conservationism anyway) cost Oz over $6 billion in a year thanks to the tax on plant food wot Fabian Socialist Emily Lister freedom hating Gillard promised there would never be under a government she led.

6 billion dollars in a year spent for no good purpose at all / nothing worthwhile to ever show for it.

Now a month long soccer-fest in Brazil is apparently going to produce NINE times the amount of plant food that the left-ards charged Oz 6 BILLION dollars NOT produce.

see: http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/goal/

Labor’s $6 billion carbon tax reduced Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions by just 300,000 tonnes over 12 months. Next year’s soccer World Cup will generate nine times that amount:

FIFA says the 2014 tournament, which will require huge amounts of air travel to venues across Brazil, will produce the equivalent of 2.72 million metric tons of carbon dioxide …

The World Cup runs for only one month.
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and a particularly worthwhile comment from another news blog on the same topic:

The carbon tax didn’t reduce emissions. It just closed down local industry and let to import replacement. Now the imports have a larger carbon footprint than local manufactures, so net emissions have gone up, not down.

Accountants call it ‘creative accounting’. But really it’s just plain stupidity. But what else can you expect from the morons on the left.
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DS if you want to go crazy about emissions.

The worlds top 15 cargo ships produce the same amount of emissions as every car on the planet. 15 Ships equals 750 million cars!

Anyway I'll listen to you complain about people getting rich from promoting green agenda's when you acknowledge and criticize those that promote the anti- conservation agenda, the anti climate change action ect, those that get money from industries that financially benefit from that. Over the years you've posted so much stuff and it seems all of it was funded and put out there by those that financially benefit from preventing action over climate change.
 
up_all_night said:
... all of it was funded and put out there by those that financially benefit from preventing action over climate change.
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lulz @ UAN still failing to realize that we ALL (rather than just free-loading left-ards ever looking for ways to spend other people's money on themselves) financially benefit by simply accepting the self evident and historical fact that the climate has always changed, is changing now, and shall continue to change ... and change regardless of humankind.

Anyhoo, do enjoy the following from a couple of year nine students in response to a school teacher who sound like she is in the trade to indoctrinate young minds into left-ardism rather than teach critical thinking.

see here for the full article

and here is the PowerPointPresentation: http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/ppt/...-school-presentation-climate-by-students.pptx

Two high school students take on teacher over climate and win standing ovation

A reader Russell writes in to tell me his Year 9 son Jordan and his friend, Tom, took on their teacher’s sacred belief in man-made global warming. Given no warning, and called insulting names in front of the class, they took up the challenge with gusto and stayed up til 1am that night to put the presentation together. Not surprisingly the teacher tried to pull out the next day, but the class would not let her.

One of the slides quotes Al Gore mocking “the tiny minority”, like the ones “who still believe that the moon landing was faked…”. Then it shows and quotes four Apollo Astronauts and Burt Rutan (the first private astronaut).

One of the ten slides

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From reader Russell:

The other week at school my eldest son (15) was challenged by his teacher to present to the class why he is a ”climate change denier”. He had to do this presentation the next day.

At the start of his class the next day he advised the teacher he was ready. She told him she wasn’t interested now, maybe another day. His classmates started heckling her saying ”You Chicken Miss”. She eventually agreed and got another teacher to sit in as well. Before my son spoke she showed the class the promo to Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. After his presentation the class gave him a standing ovation. There is a lot more to this story, the above overview sort of explains what occurred.

To start his talk he read out five quotes from the ”US Senate Minority Report” below, then his power point. She made him stop the Prof Carter video 3min into it, the Prof Ball podcast about 5min in and let the class watch the other 10min video all the way through.

May there be a thousand young rebels following in their footsteps, says Jo.

Russell explained his son and friends get a hard time at school, though it seems, give their teachers a pretty hard time in return:

“…They [the boys] question everything they being taught and who’s the messenger. They know the truth about AGW, Sustainable Development, UNESCO,OECD, over population, open borders, media, communism, politics, the list goes on. One his mates sent the 10min video ”Agenda 21 for Dummies” reply all on the schools email, even the teachers received the link.”

“… there is some history with the boys and this teacher, she is a true socialist. One example of this is she told Jordan ‘His opinion is irrelevant, and only when you become an adult people will listen to what you have to say. Shut up, I am the TEACHER and you’re here to learn.’

I expect the teacher in question will not forget this lesson (though possibly she will interpret her mistake as being to let students speak).

The powerpoint presentation (800k .pptx)

Sources and video links below.
Russell says that skepticism is alive and well in teenagers, despite them being raised on the climate dogma:
“Children are waking up to this hoax. I know of at least 50 kids in year 9 that realise this. I coach an under 15 rugby team and all 20 of them don’t believe in AGW, plus his large group of friends that attend different high schools in the area. Sustainable Development has overtaken AGW. AGW is still pushed in the classroom but SD is across every subject.’

Some sources:

Hockey Stick: How the IPCC tried to re-write history by getting rid of the Medieval Warm Period. [John-daly.com]
Climategate: The greatest scientific scandal known to man [Wattsupwiththat.com/climategate/]
The Western Climate Establishment is Cheating by David Evans [Joannenova.com.au and PDF] ”How many excuses does it take? The Western Climate Establishment has allowed egregious mistakes, major errors, and obvious biases to accumulate — each factor on its own might be hard to pin down, but the pattern is undeniable”.
Surface Stations: Peer reviewed paper exposing more IPCC corruption. [Wattsupwiththat.com]
Quotations from The U. S. Senate Minority Report: More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent over Man-Made Global Warming Claims – Scientists Continue to Debunk Consensus by Senator James M. Inhofe16/version [Scienceandpublicpolicy.org Reprint]

The Videos / Audio track

Sydney Mining Club presentation “Bob Carter”.
Unstoppable Solar Cycles Willie Soon, David Legates
Radio Interview “Eye Spy”. Big-government and CO2 (Tim Ball interview)
Chris Horners Youtube “Cooling”.

Can I suggest another great resource for students is Ian Plimer’s book How to get expelled from school. ;- )
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That's a pretty standard collection of crappy arguments against global warming.

The petition project is laughably bad. Ignores actual experts.

A film by Al Gore isn't the basis of the science.

The temperature shifting is cherry picking ranges on models. Pick a date and chose the highest extreme on the range. Which is expected to over estimate. Then go later on and say the climate models were wrong. Ignoring the fact the actual change was smack in the middle of the projected ranges. Which is what was expected.

The changing statistics thing usually comes from calibration of different data sets. For instance you don't have the same equipment measuring temperature over a 10 year period. There's actually really very little change in the data, it's just plotted differently. Which is a standard trick. Plot the same data differently and hope people don't notice the difference. I literally can fine zero on the internet on this data set. Shame that for these slides they left out a reference.

I remember a few years back you posted something about changed data for somewhere in new zealand. How they altered the data to make the past colder. Then of course what happened is, in the past the weather station was on top of a mountain, the more recent was at sea level. Or vice versa. So of course they were not representative of the same thing, would both measure the same day's temperature as different. So they do their calibration thing to combine the data sets into one consistent set.

The glaciers thing is nothing. In places where it's still below freezing, despite global warming, it's still below freezing. There's also the completely ignored fact that global warming increases snow. As snow requires water moisture in the atmosphere, which comes from heat. Hence why Antarctica is so dry.

As the north pole is water, this retains a lot of heat. So this is radiated out of the ocean and pushes the cold air towards the equator. Which it hits warm, moisture rich air travelling north from the equator. The two combine and you get lots of snow. Coming from warming!

Sea level rise, like all things climate, don't operate in the short term in a linear trend. Fundamental common mistake when attacking climate data. You get noise. There's so many factors. Hell the floods in queens land actually slowed down global sea level rise. So global warming dumping more water onto land which isn't reaching the oceans is a big factor.



The tornado thing, well there's actually not really any claim that global warming should be increasing tornado occurrences. In fact the quick research I just did basically has the scientific opinion as, 'they don't know what the effect would be.' So this is completely irrelevant.


The Astronauts. Once again the grand climate change denial of argument from authority of people who actually have no authority on the topic.
 
derspatz said:
Considering that our Creator, Savior, Lord, and Judge has objectively declared marriage to be between a man and a woman then, regardless of the kind of sick parody certain elements in society would like to force and inflict upon us, even via "lawfare", it ain't ever going to anything other than impossible.

Just because one judge one day decides to deem evil good and good evil doesn't change the ultimate reality regarding it, let alone the objectively determined benchmark / measure.

In short, what happened the other week could never legitimately have been called marriage because, in the eyes of our Creator, Savior, Lord, and judge, marriage is only truly possible between a man and a woman.

It seems plain to me that it is not something that can be modified, changed, or redefined and so it is utter folly (and an attack on all that is Holy) to attempt to.

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Screamed the inner city homeless nutter who uses rope for a belt and a dead possum for a hat...

I will see your anti homosexual righteous ramblings and raise you with my own.

I think God, our Creator, Savior, Lord, and Judge said it best when he said "...now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey....’”

It seems plain to me that it is not something that can be modified, changed, or redefined and so it is utter folly (and an attack on all that is Holy) to attempt to... unless you are Amalek or Amaleks woman, Amaleks child, or his infant or his ox, his sheep, his camel or his donkey of course.
 
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Screamed the inner city homeless nutter who uses rope for a belt and a dead possum for a hat...
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TraLa said:
I think God, our Creator, Savior, Lord, and Judge said it best when he said "...now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey....’”
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Didn't LSJC (Lord, Savior, Judge, Creator :D) say it even better when, a few thousand or so years prior to His birth, death, and resurrection in the form of the eternal Yeshua Ha Mashiach, He declared the the following ?

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years.

The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And Jehovah said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the ground; both man, and beast, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

But Noah found favor in the eyes of Jehovah. These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, and perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God. And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

And the earth was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God saw the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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And Jehovah said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

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For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living thing that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the ground.

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And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God commanded him: and Jehovah shut him in

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And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land, died. And every living thing was destroyed that was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only was left, and they that were with him in the ark.

And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days. And God remembered Noah, and all the beasts, and all the cattle that were with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters assuaged; the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; and the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters decreased. And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat

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Etc etc

In short, there has been an occasion in the not so distant past whereby LSJC felt obliged to do quite an extreme reset on this little corner of His Creation and basically leave most of it under water for much of a year.

Sure, the off-spring and corruption of the gene-pool thanks to the Nephilim et al were no small reason for it but it is important to keep in mind that the long foretold "last days" consist of not only a return of the corrupting influence of the Nephilim but also the promise by LSJC to renovate the planet by fire rather than water next time.

And here you are marveling at how time (and LSJC's patience) ran out for the Amalekites and intervention/hand of judgement/a "cutting out of the cancer" was required.

Aren't they but small potatoes compared to the whole planet back before then and the whole planet in the not too distant future ?

Oh, and if time finally ran out for the Amalekites and their public burnings/murder of children, etc, etc, how much longer do you think LSJC will tolerate various modern day wicked societies who dare to murder their children in the millions while they are still in the place that is supposed to be the safest for them.

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That's all just irrelevant though.

Yeah there's more argon than CO2, so what? It has different properties. Such a display of ignorance of science is astonishing.
 
derspatz said:
Considering that our Creator, Savior, Lord, and Judge has objectively declared marriage to be between a man and a woman then, regardless of the kind of sick parody certain elements in society would like to force and inflict upon us, even via "lawfare", it ain't ever going to anything other than impossible.

Just because one judge one day decides to deem evil good and good evil doesn't change the ultimate reality regarding it, let alone the objectively determined benchmark / measure.

In short, what happened the other week could never legitimately have been called marriage because, in the eyes of our Creator, Savior, Lord, and judge, marriage is only truly possible between a man and a woman.

It seems plain to me that it is not something that can be modified, changed, or redefined and so it is utter folly (and an attack on all that is Holy) to attempt to.

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Tis the season to be jolly, and to be holy - and you give religion and faith a bad name.

Lighten up.

Get with the spirit.
Maybe go and do a good deed, make a donation, volunteer, smile.

Celebrate.

Stop friggin moaning and campaigning for just a moment - and actually think about kindness & graciousness, and generosity.

This is the time of year you should be full of love and sweetness :) C'mon, you can do it, :)
Cheer up.
 
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Didn't LSJC (Lord, Savior, Judge, Creator :D) say it even better when, a few thousand or so years prior to His birth, death, and resurrection in the form of the eternal Yeshua Ha Mashiach, He declared the the following ?



Etc etc

In short, there has been an occasion in the not so distant past whereby LSJC felt obliged to do quite an extreme reset on this little corner of His Creation and basically leave most of it under water for much of a year.

Sure, the off-spring and corruption of the gene-pool thanks to the Nephilim et al were no small reason for it but it is important to keep in mind that the long foretold "last days" consist of not only a return of the corrupting influence of the Nephilim but also the promise by LSJC to renovate the planet by fire rather than water next time.

And here you are marveling at how time (and LSJC's patience) ran out for the Amalekites and intervention/hand of judgement/a "cutting out of the cancer" was required.

Aren't they but small potatoes compared to the whole planet back before then and the whole planet in the not too distant future ?

Oh, and if time finally ran out for the Amalekites and their public burnings/murder of children, etc, etc, how much longer do you think LSJC will tolerate various modern day wicked societies who dare to murder their children in the millions while they are still in the place that is supposed to be the safest for them.

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pecan said:
25th anniversary of Lockerbie:

http://www.news.com.au/world/breaki...eld-in-uk-and-us/story-e6frfkui-1226788207989
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They say they want justice, yet the deliberately framed that guy for it. Then when the court said he deserved a re-trail they let him go home to Libya instead of doing it.

So yeah they don't want justice for it at all.

It's a fascinating case of international politics. Libya probably didn't do it, but accepted responsibility in order to get out of sanctions. So this guy was framed, Libya paid some money and all of a sudden they were welcome back into the international community. Win win for all sides.

The real question is, why don't they want the truth to be uncovered? Most people think it's Iran in revenge for America shooting down a commercial flight. You would think though, it serves the pro war with Iran agenda to have this revealed? Unless the very nature of, the US blows up an Iranian airliner killing hundreds. So Iran blows up an american flight killing a hundreds. America doesn't want any focus on their act of terrorism.

It's just strange they won't investigate it properly.
 
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There’s one day of the year when more people are at home than any other day, so if home air-conditioners were the problem, then Christmas Day should be a peak electrical headache. Instead, it’s the lowest electrical consumption day of the year. It’s not just the lowest, but far and away the lowest, and not just this year, but every year that power records have been kept.

A half a dozen days a year the Summer Power generation in Australia does indeed spike, and demand is sometimes as high as 32,000 to 35,000MW. But the load curves of power use tell us that homes are not the problem. The load curves are always lower over the weekend, and especially on Sundays. Peak power spikes just don’t seem to happen on the weekend. While some workplaces are open on a Sunday, there is only one day a year when almost every workplace is shut–Christmas. Nearly everyone in the country is at home, possibly with the air-con on all day. Arguably there is more cooking than usual, and the fridges get worked pretty hard as well.

The graph above shows two Load Curves. The top line is a normal working day, Wednesday 18th December 2013. The red line below that is the power consumption for Christmas Day 2013 — which looks closer to a typical Winter load curve with a small peak in the morning, then a slight dip and a further small rise again in the late afternoon. On a normal work/school day residential power consumption has a two peaks a day, one in the AM and one in the PM when everyone gets back home.

Compare the two points where both curves dip to their least power consumption. The lowest electricity use on a normal work day minimum is still at least 17,500MW, while on Christmas Day it’s down to 15,500MW.

The peak electricity use on the work day shown is 27,500MW, and the peak for Christmas Day is 19,500MW. The average for the work day is around 22,000 MW, and for Christmas Day around 17,000. Usually, a normal working/school weekday the peak is closer to 30,000MW with the average around 25,000MW. Schools are closed in Australia from mid December to the end of January (many schools have closed before the 18th December).

This Christmas Day load curve can be used as a good indicator of residential power consumption. See how the gap between the dip point around 4AM and the peak for that day is barely 4000MW. On one of the record Peak Power days, the gap between the dip point and the peak is sometimes as high as 14,000MW–with most people at work.

That maximum extra residential consumption for the day of 4,000MW tells us that residential consumption is not the largest contributor on Peak Power days, and that home air conditioning should not shoulder the blame for spikes.

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