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Why are both parties trying to see "who can be the toughest" with refugees and such? It's cruel and unjust.. Both parties are doing it. Nice distraction from things like policies though isn't it? Same for gay marriage. it's not really an election issue is it?

Mind you we have an MP in WA who says gay marriage is like incest.
 
Mud Cake said:
Why are both parties trying to see "who can be the toughest" with refugees and such? It's cruel and unjust.. Both parties are doing it. Nice distraction from things like policies though isn't it? Same for gay marriage. it's not really an election issue is it?

Mind you we have an MP in WA who says gay marriage is like incest.
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Muddie, you should take the Vote Compass (http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/). I gave up voting for either major party in 2001.
 
Jam said:
Muddie, you should take the Vote Compass (http://www.abc.net.au/votecompass/). I gave up voting for either major party in 2001.
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What's more is no one on either side can see why demonizing people like this is wrong........ Adolph tried this in 1939-40 to get the people on side and now Abbott and Rudd think it's cool to do that. Doesn't anyone learn from history.

Now I'm not saying let's have an open door but some compassion goes a long way. And I'll check that site out Jam
 
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What's more is no one on either side can see why demonizing people like this is wrong........ Adolph tried this in 1939-40 to get the people on side and now Abbott and Rudd think it's cool to do that. Doesn't anyone learn from history.

Now I'm not saying let's have an open door but some compassion goes a long way. And I'll check that site out Jam
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It's not only compassion, Muddie, it's international law. We have a legal obligation to welcome refugees.
 
Jam I did that and my result had labor in the lead closely followed by the greens.

On a lot of issues me and the Greens agreeed
 
Jam said:
It's not only compassion, Muddie, it's international law. We have a legal obligation to welcome refugees.
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Here, have the list of links etc wot I just provided numba1son so he too could be better informed as to what neither the mobster union alp types, the greenazis, and the MSM don't want the general public to know:

Fleeing for their lives ?

... more like ordered into Oz by their commanding officers if not just another bunch of free loading country shoppers.

see: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...ern-appearance-today-at-flying-fish-cove.html

and: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...-women-and-children-today-14-august-2013.html

and check out the build of these blokes ... why aren't they defending their country of origin ? Running away ? Sure ! / sarc : http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...ane-airport-christmas-island-not-so-much.html

more soldiers or ex convicts perhaps ? : http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...eeras-photos-from-christmas-island-today.html

and: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...terday-because-the-rudd-has-stopped-them.html

SURE this guy is that kid's dad. More likely he threw the real parents overboard, or stole the kid prior to getting on board: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...-get-to-stay-in-australia-hey-get-me-one.html

another bunch of country shopping queue jumpers and tomorrow's bikie gang member stand-over merchants ?: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...-police-and-taxpayers-went-to-work-today.html

sorry, but WTF ?: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...re-and-cannot-be-placed-on-the-wait-list.html

why so many fit looking males ? http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...ast-couple-of-arrivals-have-been-99-male.html

Contrast of folk in need vs country shoppers: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/just-make-sure-we-help-those-most-in-need.html

more photos from xmas island:
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...y-when-she-saw-a-man-fleeing-from-persec.html

some more poor fleeing for their lives refugees: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/07/more-of-shazzas-postcard-from-christmas-island.html

If you are going to visit any of these links, visit THIS ONE ... then think of that army camp in Northam now "securing" 619 males from who knows where and what sort of background who have easily conned their way into this country thanks to KRudd, Gillard, and the Greenazis: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/201...set-patriot-shaz-with-the-telephoto-lens.html

Ask yourself this. Of all those photos, how many of them depict folk that the Main Stream Media and the far left side of politics typically use as file-footage etc when talking about "fleeing for their lives" "refugees" ?

Since KRudd and Co gained government, illegal boat arrivals are now past 50,000 people plus over 1,000 (even over 1,300) of them have ended up dead in the water.

Prior to then, Oz had achieved control over our borders when it came to people smuggling.
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regarDS
 
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That's as may be. I'm not a thug.

Edit: I'm also not an ignorant, homophobic, misogynistic, hate-mongering dickhead, either.

Edit again: Which is why I would rather stab myself in the eye than vote for either Abbott or Rudd.
 
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Jam said:
That's as may be. I'm not a thug.
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That remains to be seen. You do however seem to be pretty keen for citizens of Oz to be put in harms way, so you could be deemed to be a traitor.

Edit: I'm also not an ignorant, homophobic, misogynistic, hate-mongering dickhead, either.
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That's a matter of opinion and from where I'm sitting, your chosen measure is both conveniently self-serving and without worthwhile foundation.

Edit again: Which is why I would rather stab myself in the eye than vote for either Abbott or Rudd.
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Are you in the electorate of either of those two folk ? If not, then no need to stab yourself in your blinkered eye for neither of their names would be on your ballot papers.

Anyhoo, do carry on telling us about how ignorant you aren't. :D

regarDS
 
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You know all that goodwill we had after the Sydney Olympics........... Well thanks to John Howard we became a nation of haters.......... Hating refugees, unions, workers, each other...... Thanks John Howard
 
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Plato once said, “The punishment which the wise suffer, who refuse to take part in government, is to live under the government of worse men.”

There is no doubt that we are ruled by evil men and evil women — evil men and evil women who are fully aware of the damage they are doing to our economy, and to the warp and weft of our society, and who seem to be in a manic rush to do as much damage as possible in the time left to them.

It is now universally accepted that the carbon tax is a very bad thing promoted by evil people.

The evil goes back a bit further than Julia Gillard’s broken promise and Kevin Rudd’s inane pronouncements. This tax has been a long time coming, and has mixed paternity.

The last dark deed of the Howard Government was the passage of the National Greenhouse and Energy Reporting Act in October 2007. That act is the auditing basis of the carbon tax.

Mr Howard’s plan was to get the auditing system bedded down, then start taxing. Labor’s carbon tax would be a couple of years behind schedule if Mr Howard had not laid the bureaucratic foundations for it.

The evil that men do lives after them, and in Mr Howard’s case that is a possible future in which Australia does not have a cement industry, a steel industry, oil refining, a multitude of other industries and, most importantly, a synthetic liquid fuels industry.

That is the part of the Howard legacy that many of us have toiled mightily to avoid. That legacy is now with us, and we stare into the abyss of a continually shrinking economy.

The list of carbon tax plotters is a lot longer than Howard, Rudd and Gillard.

As a scientist, what saddens me is that most of our scientific institutions have failed in their duty to serve and protect the Australian people. The CSIRO, the Bureau of Meteorology, the universities — these have all failed us and sold their souls for a handful of silver. Our academics have met our lowest expectations of them.

Then there are the institutions that actively, and purposefully, and very treacherously, conspire against us.

Chief among them is the ABC, which has ceaselessly, and shamelessly, promoted the bizarre cult of carbon. The ABC pays lip service to the norms of our society while doing its utmost to undermine them. The corporation is well past its use by date. It sees Australia through its perverted lens of self-loathing.

The next federal government will inherit a lot of debt. Sacrifices will have to be made to pay off that debt. The easiest sacrifice to make will be to shut down the ABC. The huge sum that is spent keeping the beast alive would be better spent paying off Labor’s legacy of debt.

If our nation is to endure, the ABC must not survive the next term of federal parliament. None who love this country will weep for it — just as this government did not weep for the cement workers who have already lost their jobs due to the carbon tax.

Then there is the matter of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO). They have told too many lies over too many years. Their betrayal of the Australian people cannot be forgiven.

To this day, they have been trying to sell the Australian people into the slavery and oppression of the carbon tax. The CSIRO must be reformed through the benefit of much correction.

The factory and smelter closures due to the carbon tax, that were so predictable, have begun. Many of those factories will be closed forever, and no amount of wishing or hoping or endless tears will bring them back again. The people who worked in those factories, leading productive lives that helped us all — well, many of those lives are now broken, families broken, ambition thwarted.

Whoever of you breathed a word in favour of the carbon tax will bear the guilt of those broken and disrupted lives, and broken and disrupted marriages, to your graves.

Your sin was not a love of nature, but a loathing for your fellow man. Your fault was not a desire to do the right thing, but lack of an enquiring mind.

The notion of global warming was concocted to provide a cloak of scientific respectability for a massive socialist redistribution of wealth. That is as plain as day.

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regarDS
 
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