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Is the following true ? That the so called "baby bonus" can be claimed for babies murdered in the womb ?

Children have become a throw away commody. Little lives mean nothing to the left of society. This is what has shocked and hurt me deeply. If a woman has an abortion, she can claim the baby bonus. So, woman have worked out that they can carry a baby to a weight of 400gms, abort that baby and claim the baby bonus without the added responsibility of raising that child. We the taxpayer are paying these people to do this. I confirmed this with a relative that works for Centrelink as I just could not believe it. Why? Why would you plan to kill your own child for monetary gain?
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regarDS
 
derspatz said:
Following on from the following on, here we discover that a man who raped his own daughter over a period of 5 years from the age of 9 onwards and sometimes in "marital bed" while her mother was present ... gets let off with a "good behaviour bond".

... but there is no such thing as evil, eh Eliza ?

regarDS
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Um what, shows how little you know about me.

I am reminded of people that pretend to be listening to you speaking but you can just tell all they are doing is waiting for you to hurry up and stop so they can impart their view of the world. They never "hear" other people.
 
derspatz said:
Is the following true ? That the so called "baby bonus" can be claimed for babies murdered in the womb ?

Children have become a throw away commody. Little lives mean nothing to the left of society. This is what has shocked and hurt me deeply. If a woman has an abortion, she can claim the baby bonus. So, woman have worked out that they can carry a baby to a weight of 400gms, abort that baby and claim the baby bonus without the added responsibility of raising that child. We the taxpayer are paying these people to do this. I confirmed this with a relative that works for Centrelink as I just could not believe it. Why? Why would you plan to kill your own child for monetary gain?
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regarDS
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LOL

My sister's, husband's, mother's uncle told me that someone is trolling.
 
kxk said:
PM pfft, didn't even know it was there for the first few years -who has time for randoms bugging you, is there a spam filter???
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How dare you view my hate mail/fan mail as spam!

I live for this sort of negative/positive attention.

And my gut feeling says you would be HUGE fan of the old PM function.
 
derspatz said:
I've always found that the best way to avoid PM is simply to disable it so that no one other than mods can say anything to ya on the sly. :D

PM certainly ain't a normal sort of blokey thing to engage in, that's for sure.

regarDS
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See you strike me as the type who would be happy to anoint your loyal half wit harem with the occasional personalised pat on the head via PM, while keeping them at arms length because at the end of the day, even you know your harem is stark raving mad.

In fact if memory serves (can't be fucked searching) I am sure I recall a twittering between you and Moonbeam (around the same time I was having a pissing comp with her), in which she publicly voiced the fact she was unable to respond to your alleged PM because you had a ban on your incoming mail.

The only reason I remember is because I am a narcissist and felt sure it was about me.

But back to me...

A huge amount of my hate mailers played your dirty trick by turning off their the PM reply function off, which disallowed me the right of reply. And the worst part, it wasn't until I would click send to my detailed spittle filled reply that I would get the error! That devastated me far more than the hate mail!!

I mean if you are going to anonymously spew hate at me, at the very least you must allow me the right of reply!

REGards
 
Mud Cake said:
What was about Joe Hockey saying he should have drowned Kevin Rudd when they were on the Kokoda trek together?

What The Fuck?

Has Joe gone loony, or more so then usual?
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Oh Mud Crab, before you hit outrage, did you ever consider he was joking?

Do you remember jokes?

Joe Hockey is a super funny guy, not everything needs to be taken so literally, unless you are autistic of course, which to be honest would explain a lot.
 
derspatz said:
Is the following true ? That the so called "baby bonus" can be claimed for babies murdered in the womb ?

regarDS
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Yes it is true.

It is as true as I am sitting here half naked in a tutu smoking a cigar!

100% TRUE!

And I heard that not only do they murder their baby's through abortion, then collect the bonus, they deep fry the dead baby and then they eat them using a super expensive deep frying machine they bought with the baby bonus money from Centerlink!!

Word on the street is most of them are Muslim too.

IT IS A FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!!!!!

Where is Mud Crab when you need him? He'll know what to do!

REgARDS
 
derspatz said:
Is the following true ? That the so called "baby bonus" can be claimed for babies murdered in the womb ?



regarDS
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See - the crap on the net you get sucked into.
But it's too late for you anyway, your head is infected with so much internet bullshit, you can't tell Arthur from Martha.
And if you had a proper education, you would have learnt how to research properly from reputable sources.
 
TraLa said:
Yes it is true.

It is as true as I am sitting here half naked in a tutu smoking a cigar!

100% TRUE!

And I heard that not only do they murder their baby's through abortion, then collect the bonus, they deep fry the dead baby and then they eat them using a super expensive deep frying machine they bought with the baby bonus money from Centerlink!!

Word on the street is most of them are Muslim too.

IT IS A FUCKING OUTRAGE!!!!!!!

Where is Mud Crab when you need him? He'll know what to do!

REgARDS
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I got such a laugh out of that. Funny stuff
 
The things I have to do in order for the forum to get an idea of who is still reading me, eh ? :D

regarDS
 
derspatz said:
The things I have to do in order for the forum to get an idea of who is still reading me, eh ? :D

regarDS
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Ha, your crap is really easy to scan - there are only ever a couple of words that matter:)

Nobody wades through all that plagerised propaganda you spew do they???
 
eliza said:
Um what, shows how little you know about me. I am reminded of people ...
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I'm reminded of people who dare not share what they really believe lest it easily and speedily be shown to be somewhat questionable as well as well and truly far more part of the problem than any kind of solution. That what they are mainly all about (whether realising it or not) is about parasitically preserving their personal economy at the expensive of others who have been conditioned or duped into thinking they are getting something they need.

Many folk with collars'n'crosses do it, many folk with white lab coats do it (especially the publicly funded), many elected folks do it, many folk paid by public coin do it, Tom Cruise's mob and their tin-cans most certainly do it ... and their sworn enemies; folk with comfortable seating and "therapy" groups and who are often caricatured with the line "tell me about your mother" similarly most definitely do it !

As for "knowing about you", are you suggesting that you are actually nothing like wot you are in here ... that noone in here could possibly have an accurate idea of you merely by reading what you say ... and won't say ?

Mind how you don't answer that ... wouldn't want to have the charge of "dishonest" confirmed, eh ? :D

TraLa said:
See you strike me as the type who would ....
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Nah, I'm the type who does my striking in public. Deem "are you not entertained" included ... in fact, don't even deem it; it IS included. :)

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In fact if memory serves (can't be fucked searching) I am sure I recall a twittering between you and Moonbeam (around the same time I was having a pissing comp with her), in which she publicly voiced the fact she was unable to respond to your alleged PM because you had a ban on your incoming mail.
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Nah, it didn't serve. I made a public forum announcement, our moon expressed an interest and a frustration at not being able get a PM through, so I let it be known that the gates to PM city were temporarily opened (and one other cheeky if not brave soul took advantage of that "coz they could", lol ;) :)) and also transgressed my own "no PM" rool and sent one through to her, an indication was returned of an intent to attend so I provided the necessary address and then closed the gates again. As things turned out, attendance didn't end up happening ... dunno why not but no worries anyway. Perhaps if I'd left PM open a few days longer things woulda turned out differently. Oh well.

The occasion ? This:

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Riveting stuff, eh ? :)

A huge amount of my hate mailers played your dirty trick by turning off their the PM reply function off, which disallowed me the right of reply.
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I wasn't aware one is able to send out PMs but block replies to the same ... not that I'd have any use for such a function. (opens a new window and takes a look at the PM function)

Oh lookie, it says this "your options are currently set to accept private messages only from your contacts. If you send a message to a user not on your contact list, they will not be able to reply to you.". Apparently that's coz I've also discovered that PM was still turned on ... but only for "contacts" (I have none) and "Mods". Just fixed that by turning it off, and so now when I go to create a new PM it reports "You have turned off private messages. You may not send private messages until you turn them on by editing your options.

Anyhoo, my view is that if somebody sends you a PM but prevents you from replying to them then the reasonable thing for you to do would be to quote and reply to that PM in the "Today I ..." thread.

You know, start it with "Today I ..." got this PM from suchandsuch but the systems wouldn't let me respond privately to it so I've gotta do it here instead and here it is ... enjoy !

Sounds like a fair thing doesn't it ?

regarDS
 
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^^^Actually I agree re the PM thing, if someone sends you one with no right of reply then your only option is to seek reply in an open forum.

derspatz said:
As for "knowing about you", are you suggesting that you are actually nothing like wot you are in here ... that noone in here could possibly have an accurate idea of you merely by reading what you say ... and won't say ?

Mind how you don't answer that ... wouldn't want to have the charge of "dishonest" confirmed, eh ? :D
Nah, I'm the type who does my striking in public. Deem "are you not entertained" included ... in fact, don't even deem it; it IS included. :)

regarDS
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Again you have no idea. I present here in exactly the same manner I present in rl. Well not exactly because in real life I use my vocal chords not my fingers to converse.

I don't get why anyone wouldn't want to be themselves, I think I am f*cking awesome, why would I want to pretend to be someone else.
 
Baby Bonus for an "abortion" ?

From here

Emphasis mine.

Sometimes the answers to questions are simple. Like when you ask Centrelink if they pay out Parental Leave or the Baby Bonus Bereavement Payment following abortions.

You’d expect a pretty quick and straightforward ‘no’. Case closed, nothing further to report.

Except that Centrelink didn’t say no when I asked that question. Nor did SA Health, a state government body that provides taxpayer funded abortion clinics and then hands out ‘cheat sheets‘ so that women can claim these payments after a visit.


Furthermore, these organisations didn’t give the follow up that you might expect either. You know, the obligatory, "your question is absurd because no government body in its right mind would give $5000 lump sum payments to women after an abortion".

Instead, there was a lot of spin and buck passing (and a link that doesn’t work). And spin and buck passing means "yes we do allow children to be killed and then we do provide large government payments afterwards".

To be fair, the Centrelink spokeswoman helpfully suggested that I might believe this situation was illegal. Although she didn’t say it was and she said Centrelink obeys the law. But if I wanted, I could hand over the evidence and some nameless investigation team would suck it up and never provide me with a response.

So I have declined at this stage.

But hey, don’t take my word that Centrelink or SA Health didn’t say no. Read their responses below:

There is a good reason that neither government body could say no. That is because the law says yes.

In fact, when Jenny Macklin, the person responsible for the Paid Parental Leave legislation, was asked about this possibility back in 2010, she also refused to say no as well. She just got all hot under the collar that the question had been asked in the first place.

MARIUS BENSEN: What did you think of Steven Fielding, the Senator Steven Fielding’s criticism of the legislation saying it had loopholes, it could leave the way open for drug addicts and welfare cheats to deliberately fall pregnant, then have an abortion at twenty weeks to get the payments without having a child?

JENNY MACKLIN: I thought his comments were utterly disgraceful. He knows and the Senate knows that paid parental leave will be paid to those families who have a baby born or adopted from 1 January next year. It may also be paid for a stillborn child. A stillbirth has to be certified by a medical professional, so I think it’s absolutely disgraceful that he would make these comments when he knows very clearly what the rules are.

I might also remind you at this time that Jenny Macklin is a member of Emily’s List – a rabid feminist movement that supports abortion at any time.

And just in case you think that Jenny Macklin’s definition of stillbirth rules out post-abortion payments, have a read of this below and think again:

A ‘stillborn’ child means a child:

who weighs at least 400 grams at delivery or whose period of gestation was at least 20 weeks, and,

who has not breathed since delivery, and,

whose heart has not beaten since delivery.

Note 1: The child must have been certified by a qualified medical practitioner as having been ‘delivered’.

Note 2: Gestation is considered to be the period in which the unborn child is carried in the womb from conception to delivery. If the child is stillborn, the date of delivery is used to calculate gestation.

There is no definition of ‘delivered’. But every aborted child is still delivered somehow and, for the most part, it is pretty easy to certify that they have not breathed and that their heart has not beaten since delivery. The doctor takes care of that, although you should be aware that I do have evidence this is not always the case.

So as long as they are sufficiently developed, every aborted child fits the taxpayer bill.

Let me know what you think about this unholy mess.
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Also see: http://bernardgaynor.com.au/julia-gillards-baby-bonus/

What kind of society gives $5,000 lump sum payments to women after an abortion?

What kind of society pays out parental leave schemes to mums and dads who have willingly killed their child?

And, just for the record, I’m not talking about the early abortions here. I’m talking about late-term abortions, when limbs are formed, the heart is pumping, pain is present and the child is viable.

The answer to those questions is simple. Our society.

And why not. If the government has no problem with the killing of a child, then why would it baulk at handing over great wads of taxpayer cash afterwards.

But hold on, I hear you cry. Where is the proof this happens?

It is below. Our society also has an obliging bureaucracy to assist and facilitate these post-abortion payments.

So we have this helpful cheat sheet from an abortion clinic. It details what answers should be given to claim the Baby Bonus Bereavement Payment – a payment meant to assist parents who have suffered from the death of child.

And if there is one thing that a ‘Pregnancy Advisory Centre’ produces in abundance it is parents who have suffered from the death of a child.

For a start, this sheet helpfully informs the mum that she may get a trifle teary while filling out a form for baby-related payments when she has just killed her baby.

I don’t know about you, but I think it might be upsetting for Australians everywhere to realise that their taxes are being spent this way.

Then it states that the doctor performing the ‘procedure’ will need to sign the form. Just in case you don’t have the actual Baby Bonus Bereavement Payment form handy, what it means is that the doctor will need to certify that the baby was delivered ‘stillborn’.

And just in case you don’t know, the ‘procedure’ to deliver a ‘stillborn’ baby at a ‘Pregnancy Advisory Centre’ involves slicing the clumps of cells that look like little limbs off from the other clumps of cells that bear a remarkable resemblance to a baby’s torso and trunk. Then the big clump of cells that looks like a head is crushed. Finally, they are all put in a plastic bag and sent off to a medical waste facility.

And if you can find a ‘doctor’ that is willing to do this, then you will find someone who has no ethical dilemma whatsoever in stamping a government form to certify that a baby he has just dismembered has been delivered ‘stillborn’.
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and which also includes this:

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So, it IS true.

... and there clearly is such a thing as "evil" ... and "Emily's List" is one of its aliases.

regarDS
 
Look I hate to stir the hornet's nest (actually I don't hate it bwahaha) but DS I'd advise you don't argue with nurses and they're complete know it alls...even though they're right most of the time and certainly all the time with you.
This place is full of gay guys and nurses actually where's goldenberry....a fight between trala and him would be great!
 
Sorceress said:
Look I hate to stir the hornet's nest (actually I don't hate it bwahaha) but DS I'd advise you don't argue with nurses and they're complete know it alls...even though they're right most of the time and certainly all the time with you.
This place is full of gay guys and nurses actually where's goldenberry....a fight between trala and him would be great!
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Nothing like a mass generalisation, lumping all nurses together and all gay people together as if they are devoid of any individuality.

Want know it all, here you go.

Any accidental loopholes which may have existed a number of years ago are gone. Also food for thought, terminations can also refer to spontaneous abortions. In SA on average per year there are about 80 terminations at or after 20 weeks gestation, most are for foetal abnormalities.

The yellowed document posted above has long since been superseded by:

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/spw/customer/forms/resources/fa008m-1307en.pdf
 
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eliza said:
Nothing like a mass generalisation, lumping all nurses together and all gay people together as if they are devoid of any individuality.
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Probably, but I've got like 4 in my family and at a party the other night a trainee nurse was attempting to try to tell a trained paramedic how to do his job (albeit drunk).
And there are a lot of gay people on here.....it's a fact, some iirc have even tried to pick up!
Thanks for biting!
 
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