Housemate #5 TULLY!

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Mrs Butterface said:
I think some people forget that this isn't the place to sing Kumbaya and say all's good in the hood simply because someone managed to blag their way onto a reality show. You act like an asshole and you'll be called out. Whether that's turkey slapping, saying racist shit or cheating on your partner. End of story.
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I don't disagree, but do you not believe there are any other aspects to discuss re. Tully beyond this "cheating" stuff?
 
psykologist said:
I don't disagree, but do you not believe there are any other aspects to discuss re. Tully beyond this "cheating" stuff?
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Well I think that's happened. People have given her plenty of 'forum time' re her behaviour from the start of the show pre Drew and even after they were together that had nothing to do with him. How she lashes out, is constantly negative no matter what's going on in the house, acts like her bff is leaving each week even if we've never seen her say more than 10 words to them (something the HMs have finally picked up on), her over hysterical reactions to things, how she should be well-equipped at the game as a self confessed BB tragic from the first season and her career, her supposed war she declared on Tim when she was up for eviction and desperate to be saved that went busto, etc. But eventually it all leads back to the same spot. Her behaviour is ridiculously selfish and manipulative... even today her going on about that random Facebook fan's pic on the mug because Drew thought she was hot... her actions on their own are polarising enough but then when you see the kisses with Drew or the grabs and whatnot as we saw in the LF thread tonight it all comes back to the same spot. You can't think of Tully without Tahlia because she's made Tahlia a big deal from day dot. She's the one who told us how much she loves her gf, how she doesn't think she's cheating on her, etc so it's unrealistic to think people won't associate it all regardless of what happens.

I've worked in the film industry for 15+ years, mainly with people who I'm often convinced are trying to publicly derail their careers in front of my eyes just to piss me off and make my life harder. Especially since I've moved to Australia as it seems the level of media awareness here is quite small compared to N. America and Europe. I can honestly say Tully's screwed as far as this show is concerned. There is no possible scenario that will make the general public forget about Tahlia and heap sympathy on Tully unless it somehow came out that Tahlia was cheating on her also. Even then the understanding would maybe rise but not the sympathy because people didn't like her even before she cheated. It's just a total lost cause.
 
psykologist said:
I didn't say it was of no interest to me, I said it in no ways affects my life. Nor did I say I am immune from taking a position on some things. In fact, I said that's why it's good to step back once in a while. Whatever, you can continue with your bible-thumping, high morals & Tully bashing if you so desire as this too in no way affects my daily life. I'm so honoured you went back & read all my posts by the way.
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I had no need to 'go back and read all your posts'... Your opinions were so inconsistent, hypocritical and plentiful, hard to miss really.

So, now you resort to taking personal swipes at me, based on some contrived notion that i am a bible-basher?!! You might like to take some of your own chill pill advice and go say 10 Hail Mary's.
 
LoveBB said:
I had no need to 'go back and read all your posts'... Your opinions were so inconsistent, hypocritical and plentiful, hard to miss really.

So, now you resort to taking personal swipes at me, based on some contrived notion that i am a bible-basher?!! You might like to take some of your own chill pill advice and go say 10 Hail Mary's.
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It's not inconsistent & hypocritical to agree with a sentiment but say people have taken it too far. Since I wouldn't know how to say a Hail Mary if it hit me in the face, I'll leave that to yo. And as for "plentiful" posts, I wasn't aware there was a limit on the number of posts here, but I will note that you have posted slightly more than I have at this precise moment :) Truce?
 
psykologist said:
What does it matter where she grabbed it from? She's right - the Tully hate has gone too far (& I don't like Tully either).
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Doesn't matter to me. I'm saying I've seen it all already as I assume most others have too so there's no need to reread the same old crap. She's added nothing new to the conversation but then again someone said she's just a young teen so fair enough.
 
psykologist said:
I don't disagree, but do you not believe there are any other aspects to discuss re. Tully beyond this "cheating" stuff?
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As Mrs B said, it all comes back to the same spot. Tully has lost herself in that house. The public perception of her persona is not solely based on her cheating with Drew or any of that. There has been a slowly building resentment towards her and the longer she is in there, the worse it will get. That 'hate' is not in these forums so much as on FB.
 
It's a pity she forgot the cameras and mic's can't be lied to like the housemates. A huge lack of integrity on both Tullys and Drews part. Hope it makes them better people when they realize how shitty this whole situation became for their loved ones.
 
I still can't figure out what's Tully's position on all of this. She can't be that naive and stupid to think that her girlfriend and friends are waiting for her with open arms. I think she is aware of how she is being perceived but decided to have fun while it lasts.
 
annavm said:
I still can't figure out what's Tully's position on all of this. She can't be that naive and stupid to think that her girlfriend and friends are waiting for her with open arms. I think she is aware of how she is being perceived but decided to have fun while it lasts.
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I really don't judge Drew & Tully on cheating or not. What interests me is that BB is informing her gf about what is happening in the house. I *do* believe Tully should have either suspended her relationship with Drew til she got out *or* let her gf know (publicly or privately) that she was going to explore this relationship.

Tully made it very clear in the beginning that she can separate the physical from the emotional & if she had a physical relationship with Drew while maintaining the emotional relationship with the gf. I would figure that's between them, if they have an open relationship, that's fine.

I find it hypocritical to continuously proclaim your current relationship status (with the gf) while actively pursuing Drew. Even if she said *nothing* like she had no gf, I could almost accept her actions.

I think if the gf & friends hadn't made it such a public issue, it wouldn't be a matter that I would be discussing either. They seem to have confirmed that Tully has crossed the line, which previously was still ambiguous to the viewers.

The real issue I have with Tully is for her constant negativity in the house. She becomes a fun sponge. I could understand it when she was in the half way house but she finds a reason to be pissed off at everything.
 
Mrs Butterface said:
Well I think that's happened. People have given her plenty of 'forum time' re her behaviour from the start of the show pre Drew and even after they were together that had nothing to do with him. How she lashes out, is constantly negative no matter what's going on in the house, acts like her bff is leaving each week even if we've never seen her say more than 10 words to them (something the HMs have finally picked up on), her over hysterical reactions to things, how she should be well-equipped at the game as a self confessed BB tragic from the first season and her career, her supposed war she declared on Tim when she was up for eviction and desperate to be saved that went busto, etc. But eventually it all leads back to the same spot. Her behaviour is ridiculously selfish and manipulative... even today her going on about that random Facebook fan's pic on the mug because Drew thought she was hot... her actions on their own are polarising enough but then when you see the kisses with Drew or the grabs and whatnot as we saw in the LF thread tonight it all comes back to the same spot. You can't think of Tully without Tahlia because she's made Tahlia a big deal from day dot. She's the one who told us how much she loves her gf, how she doesn't think she's cheating on her, etc so it's unrealistic to think people won't associate it all regardless of what happens.

I've worked in the film industry for 15+ years, mainly with people who I'm often convinced are trying to publicly derail their careers in front of my eyes just to piss me off and make my life harder. Especially since I've moved to Australia as it seems the level of media awareness here is quite small compared to N. America and Europe. I can honestly say Tully's screwed as far as this show is concerned. There is no possible scenario that will make the general public forget about Tahlia and heap sympathy on Tully unless it somehow came out that Tahlia was cheating on her also. Even then the understanding would maybe rise but not the sympathy because people didn't like her even before she cheated. It's just a total lost cause.
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This is a pretty balanced sensible summation thanks. I haven't been on other forums so have no idea what's happening there but it does sound like they are out of control and too vicious.

That said Tully was disliked pre Drully, and for behaviours beyond just crying, and she did talk up her partner so she has by default put a spotlight on herself for an additional issue of infidelity.

IMO infidelity is choice! I don't for a second think Drully are so passionately in love they are driven by forces beyond their control. We cannot choose how we feel but we can choose how we act on our feelings. Our behaviours are ours to be owned, if not how could we ever put anyone in jail (as example)??

Someone asked have those who dislike Tullys cheating never done anything wrong. Of course I have made bad choices. Plenty of times. None involved cheating but I've made what many would consider bad choices. I haven't however, made bad choices that would hurt people I love, or in Tullys case supposedly 'love more than they will ever love me'. If the HMs were stuck in Antarctica with no way to communicate with the outside world and no way to leave for years or some unknown time then i think most would forgive a lot ....but she had to wait maybe 2-3 months to do the right thing by her 2 year partner.

All this said, the cheating is just one thing on a range of behaviours she has displayed. I dont hate her for it or agree with Hating or 'Murder Tully' crap.

Ultimately she put her emotional needs ahead of others in the house over and over and she has also put her emotional needs ahead of her partners with Drew. It's choices she makes. Best she can do out of this is try to learn why she keeps making self sabotaging behaviours and fix the emotions that trigger her to make those choices and get a better future for herself.

P.s this forum takes so much effort to keep up with I dont know how people mange FB and Twitter and stuff as well.
 
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TullyLovesDrew said:
going into this any rational person would realize that there are number of things that can go wrong with a relationship from both sides with one person being sequestered and the other roaming free on the outside of the house...... is it a difficult situation yes, did Tahlia get hurt ?extremely likely she did, did Tully go in looking to have an affair? extremely likely she didn't, did Tully and Drew fall in love? it sure looks that way
Tully hurt Tahlia true but does it merit this level of hate and bashing I don't think so at all
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Fallen in love BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
TullyLovesDrew said:
Really, she doesn't look in love with Drew to you ?
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Not really. She looks like someone who is used to having someone always there to prop her up. Its not love, it a need that needs to be filled. Drew just happens to be nice looking with a caring personality, but I think its all do to do with comfort. Tully would not have survived at all without him as her crutch.
 
Mrs Butterface said:
Then you need to get your eyes checked. Her girlfriend has broken up with her after being her biggest supporter and even initially condoning her friendship with Drew as she thought it was innocent. Seriously come on now. Anyone who says that Tully hasn't crossed the line with her behaviour in the house for someone in a relationship is just being a troll at this point. I don't care how much of a Tully supporter you are or how you want to pull an actual Tully and derail the conversation by accusing people of being back in 1913. That's just embarrassing yourself at this point and even her biggest fans on here will concede that... they're just arguing that they're not judging her for it.


Exactly. If we're not supposed to dissect what we see of the HMs then 1. What's the point of a reality show featuring contestants with no discernible skill other than being judged on their personality and actions. This isn't The Block, X Factor, Masterchef, etc. This shit is ALL we can judge them on! 2. Why would I ever be compelled to vote if I wasn't supposed to judge them on those behaviours/actions and 3. why are any of us here at a forum solely dedicated to the show at all?

I think some people forget that this isn't the place to sing Kumbaya and say all's good in the hood simply because someone managed to blag their way onto a reality show. You act like an asshole and you'll be called out. Whether that's turkey slapping, saying racist shit or cheating on your partner. End of story.
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The breakup is part of Tully's game plan.

Where the line might be is the question. Tully has never spken badly of her girlfriend. Indeed she believes that they are still a couple.
So Tully has remained faithfull to her girlfriend.

I do take your point about the 1913 date. Certainly it should be pre Enlightment, pre Age of Reason. Is 1413 suitably medieval for you?

P.S. I suspect that you think that anybody who disagrees with you is a troll. Could that be because you are a fundamentally intolerant person?
 
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Elspie said:
Not really. She looks like someone who is used to having someone always there to prop her up. Its not love, it a need that needs to be filled. Drew just happens to be nice looking with a caring personality, but I think its all do to do with comfort. Tully would not have survived at all without him as her crutch.
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I think she is in love with him and he is in love with her too. I do agree that she relies on him to balance her out and keep her emotions on more of an even keel. She often seeks reassurance from him (kind of annoying) but I think she has a fear of abandonment likely related to her mother's alzheimer's disease (it wasn't an actual abandonment but because of the disease)
 
TullyLovesDrew said:
I think she is in love with him and he is in love with her too. I do agree that she relies on him to balance her out and keep her emotions on more of an even keel. She often seeks reassurance from him (kind of annoying) but I think she has a fear of abandonment likely related to her mother's alzheimer's disease (it wasn't an actual abandonment but because of the disease)
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I think will have to agree to disagree. I firmly believe that you can't fall in love with someone in the house because it's a false environment. Strong like/lust but until its tested in the real world, I wouldn't call it love. And the fact that she is still saying things like 'I love my girlfriend/she's fine with this' says to me she is two minds about where her heart is.

If she is in 'love' with Drew, then good for her but she needs to own it and tell the audience where she is at. Not the ideal way to break up with someone, but she might do herself some favours with being honest. Might even help her to be more calm and at peace with herself.
 
Elspie said:
I think will have to agree to disagree. I firmly believe that you can't fall in love with someone in the house because it's a false environment. Strong like/lust but until its tested in the real world, I wouldn't call it love. And the fact that she is still saying things like 'I love my girlfriend/she's fine with this' says to me she is two minds about where her heart is.

If she is in 'love' with Drew, then good for her but she needs to own it and tell the audience where she is at. Not the ideal way to break up with someone, but she might do herself some favours with being honest. Might even help her to be more calm and at peace with herself.
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I agree with the bolded section
 
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