Estelle appreacian thread (i can't spell)

Estelle can do better than both Ryan and Michael. Ryan is boring and Michael is weak. I don't think her and Ryan are serious but they do look good together.
 
sounds strange but i liked Estelle and Michael together, and i didn't even like him. too bad he wasn't genuine about their little moments.
after the things he said about her, which her friends would have since told her about, i doubt she would bother with even a friendship. his loss
 
camerashy said:
sounds strange but i liked Estelle and Michael together, and i didn't even like him. too bad he wasn't genuine about their little moments.
after the things he said about her, which her friends would have since told her about, i doubt she would bother with even a friendship. his loss
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Yeah I actually prefer her with Michael but I dont know if that will ever happen now. They do seem to be getting along fine though post show. I noticed they've been tweeting a few times to each other so I think they've sorted out their issues
 
the Michael i saw when he was with Estelle is the Michael i liked, but then the reality that it was strategy he was using reminded me of the not so nice Michael, which is what he is.
 
camerashy said:
sounds strange but i liked Estelle and Michael together, and i didn't even like him. too bad he wasn't genuine about their little moments.
after the things he said about her, which her friends would have since told her about, i doubt she would bother with even a friendship. his loss
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Intellectually they were probably more suited but Michael isn't the kind of person she trusts. As I think she said those who gossip with you will gossip about you. She wants someone she can trust as well. That will come in her own time and private life.
 
I still think Michael fell hard for Stella, and I think she had feelings too. He ruined any chance he might have had, however, when he failed to defend her both in and out of the house. Shame, really, because they seem well suited. Ryan is a sweetheart, and gorgeous, but can he be intellectually stimulating? She is happy being a single lady in any case, so it probably doesn't matter what either of them do. 'Just friends' is my prediction for both.
 
yukikodancer said:
I still think Michael fell hard for Stella, and I think she had feelings too. He ruined any chance he might have had, however, when he failed to defend her both in and out of the house. Shame, really, because they seem well suited. Ryan is a sweetheart, and gorgeous, but can he be intellectually stimulating? She is happy being a single lady in any case, so it probably doesn't matter what either of them do. 'Just friends' is my prediction for both.
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I don't think he fell hard. I think part of it was he found out she wasn't so bad. However a lot of it seemed like he was trying really hard to sell himself on Estelle. And to sell his interest in her to the audience.

You know how a good salesman has to first sell himself on a product? I think this is what Michael was trying to do with Estelle. All those times in the dairy room, or with Ben or whoever talking about Estelle. He was trying to convince himself he was into her. Not the person he was talking to.
 
viennamoo said:
FYI U_A_N Stell is using your Game of Thrones pic as her DP on FB :p
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Have you spoken to her yet? Just want to know how shes doing and what he thoughts were about the other housemates when she found out how much they really bitched about her.

missing BB
 
*Nat* said:
Have you spoken to her yet? Just want to know how shes doing and what he thoughts were about the other housemates when she found out how much they really bitched about her.

missing BB
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I bet you'll never get anything interesting from such conversations.

I think end of the day, they'll either just get over it and all get along due to the shared experience. No need to hold or voice any animosity on the outside. Which is probably good.
 
up_all_night said:
I don't think he fell hard. I think part of it was he found out she wasn't so bad. However a lot of it seemed like he was trying really hard to sell himself on Estelle. And to sell his interest in her to the audience.

You know how a good salesman has to first sell himself on a product? I think this is what Michael was trying to do with Estelle. All those times in the dairy room, or with Ben or whoever talking about Estelle. He was trying to convince himself he was into her. Not the person he was talking to.
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Don't agree. He's not a loner. At the end, more than ever, he wanted Ben's approval. Ben was Alpha Male and a manipulative one at that. So for him to do something against Ben's wishes, and to lose face with the others, and enrage Zoe even more than she was already, and to throw the show, to me showed how much he wanted her... or at least wanted to move on from his ex. (so he says). I think the only reason he thought there would never be anything on the OS was because he isn't good looking enough. Something he banged on about.

I guess we'll never know.
 
Michael was a strategist, Ben was an emotional manipulator. Michael was sucked in big time by Ben. Bye bye Michael. I still don't think Michael even realises this yet, probably still blames Estelle.
 
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:pp said:
Don't agree. He's not a loner. At the end, more than ever, he wanted Ben's approval. Ben was Alpha Male and a manipulative one at that. So for him to do something against Ben's wishes, and to lose face with the others, and enrage Zoe even more than she was already, and to throw the show, to me showed how much he wanted her... or at least wanted to move on from his ex. (so he says). I think the only reason he thought there would never be anything on the OS was because he isn't good looking enough. Something he banged on about.

I guess we'll never know.
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Sorry, but saying, "he made a bad decision, so clearly it was on purpose" is the intellectual equivalent of peewee herman wiping out and saying "i mean to do that". I'm not buying it.

On the other hand, for all those who say ryan is not dumb or not interesting, I think that's playing into a stereotype: the model must be stupid. The thing I saw from Ryan is that he's poorly spoken. Whether its nerves or just being a bit quiet, I think he actually gets misread because of his looks. I think in a one-on-one situation where you can be patient with him you'll find quite a smart, genuine person there. And perhaps that's what Ryan and Estelle saw in each other.

Whatever works out or doesn't, I wish the best for both of them
 
camerashy said:
Michael was a strategist, Ben was an emotional manipulator. Michael was sucked in big time by Ben. Bye bye Michael. I still don't think Michael even realises this yet, probably still blames Estelle.
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I tend to agree with your thoughts. Ben was part of Michaels downfall, he seemed so insecure when talking to Ben.
Had Michael stood on his own two feet and played the game the outcome may have been different.
Michael didn't do himself any favours by talking badly about HMs to other HMs, it left little room for him to change his strategy when needed, he locked himself into a position, unable to reconsider his options without causing questioning from other HMs.
 
riddim said:
Sorry, but saying, "he made a bad decision, so clearly it was on purpose" is the intellectual equivalent of peewee herman wiping out and saying "i mean to do that". I'm not buying it.

On the other hand, for all those who say ryan is not dumb or not interesting, I think that's playing into a stereotype: the model must be stupid. The thing I saw from Ryan is that he's poorly spoken. Whether its nerves or just being a bit quiet, I think he actually gets misread because of his looks. I think in a one-on-one situation where you can be patient with him you'll find quite a smart, genuine person there. And perhaps that's what Ryan and Estelle saw in each other.

Whatever works out or doesn't, I wish the best for both of them
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Good point with the decision comment.

With Ryan, I got the impression he's used to people always putting him down. You could tell on the show he's just trying to talk and people were not giving him the time of day, being kind of jerky towards him. Which he is aware of and puts pressure on him which in turns stifles him from being as clear as he wanted to be. From stuff people posted online from his friends, they actually seemed really jerky to him as well. Always putting him down. Yeah He said some dumb stuff, but he wanted to be more than a pretty face. He wanted to be smart, he wan't to be judged for who he is as a person and not that. I think that should be commended and not ridiculed. I actually think he was probably the nicest person all season in the house and was always good intentioned.

I always hate the whole, "so stupid, so dumb" that Ryan and others got called. That's such a jerky attitude. You don't speak about people like that, especially so casually. Say Ryan was dumb, which I don't believe he is. If he was, he can't help that. That meanness, that level of judging people for things which aren't their fault is really why I didn't like that group in the house. It was there right from the beginning. Singling people out, criticising them for anything they can. To put others down to build themselves up.
 
I don't think Ryan is at all dumb. He is just a little socially awkward at times. He comes from a pretty successful family, and he has completed a uni degree. And he is gorgeous and sweet. Really, what's not to like?
 
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