Big Brother UK season 15 - SPOILERS

[Lindsay1973]

...if Zoe doesn't go this week I will...I will... cry and cry and cry and cry and cry and cry and cry and cry and cry... (I may even whimper a little)... please let it be her!!!!!!!... PLEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!... it'll be a double eviction next week with Mark and Pav going if Zoe goes this week... remember folks you heard it here first! ... lol!... cheers.

This week I don't care who goes,wouldn't it be nice if they did a surprise triple eviction.

 

[Lindsay1973]

Yes because when a women is pissed/angry/upset she must be on her period right?

LOL I am never in a bad mood when I have my period..I just deal with it

 

[Mr Stickyfingers]

...it's good to see that Helen hasn't lost her touch when the public said that she was two-faced etc... "fooking bastards!" was her usual response... you know what Helen's problem is?... she is just like George Costanza from Seinfeld... remember this quote?...



...she has the same sort of mindset as this... she seriously and honestly believes that she does nothing wrong whatsoever... she believes it so much that she deludes herself into believing that everyone else is responsible for all of her woes and betides!... when she is so cruel to people as in the past she really honestly believes in her feeble mind that she is 'doing them a favour' in pointing out to them as to why she is annoyed with them...

...she has no idea that she is upsetting people when she is doing it because it's all about her... how dare you upset her?... who the fook are you to upset me?... you have to pay the penalty of my wrath now!... then when she dispenses her cruel and heartless tirade she really believes that she has now set them straight and if nothing else they should now thank her and worship her from afar...

...she may have come a long way on her 'journey' (to her) within the house as far as she is concerned but she hasn't changed one bit from day one.... calling the public "fooking bastards!" without batting an eyelid proves that to me as far as I'm concerned... how DARE THEY say that?... how DARE THEY call me two-faced?... yep!... same old same old Helen!... and Big Brother have her earmarked to win it at the end?...

...it's good to see Chris go to the Diary Room to put Big Brother and the public straight about how they are talking about him and questioning them on the reasons for their accusations... he got a helluva lot of points from me for doing that... he made it quite clear of how he feels about all of those people condemning him... good onya Chris!!!!!... this is what he said word for word...

...if you actually think I'm 'creepy'... for whatever reason...
...if it's 'creepy' in ANY way in relation to my friendship with Ashleigh...
...then... sorry it looks that way but... I am not going to change my friendship with her...
...sorry it looks that way... I'm embarrassed that you think that...
...I'm uncomfortable that you think that but it DOES NOT change anything...
...the idea of being perceived as being 'creepy' around someone...
...who I really value as a friend and as a person... is not nice for me...
...and I don't want Ashleigh to ever feel uncomfortable around me...
...or to think that I even have an agenda with her... I don't know how this is being portrayed...
...I cant really concern myself with that...
...my concern right now is in here feeling that my friends are my friends...
...you can't take my friends away from me... by making me feel that I should change my behaviour...
...I am not ashamed to have a friend who is of a different age and a different sex...
...and people have got to get out of this 'Victorian' mindset that that is inappropriate... because it's not!...
...why can't people be friends with different races and different sexes... different languages... everything?...
...why can people not just be mates?... it... it's because she's a pretty girl... is that basically it?...
...because if that's it... then you don't have the first understanding of me... at all!

...Chris is not THAT good an actor... he would never be able to pull that off without making mistakes if he rehearsed that... that was genuine heartfelt bewilderment of why people are perceiving him that way unless Big Brother is portraying him that way... to be honest... I don't think that he now gives a flying rats arse whether or not he's going on Friday now... I think that the 'creepy' tag has broken him... he's lost his spirit... he would never give that anger filled message to Big Brother and the public alike in a month of Sundays before now... he is genuinely hurt and disgusted by us all... I don't blame him the poor bugger...

...stick that up you Big Brother!... stick that up you the mindless sheep called the 'public!'... that's what Chris was basically telling us all and I don't blame him...

...I was so happy with Christopher putting things straight with Big Brother and the public in his relationship with Mark... to me... with the both of them doing that shows me just how much Big Brother manipulates the storylines to suit themselves... the fact that both Chris and Christopher were so infuriated about it enough to actually get pure anger from the both of them speaks volumes to me of Big Brothers manipulation... as I said in a previous post... Big Brother have tarnished Chris so much in the past few days that he is now destined to go this Friday more than likely... it is so bloody disgusting!!!... if nothing else... at least Chris got to give them all a bloody good conscience swipe on his way out... the poor bastard...

...sorry about yet another long post but a lot needed to be said... I am so angry with BBUK ... now to watch the one sided bias on BOTS... I'm all stoked up to watch Emma guide the circus elephants to perform the way that BBUK want it... I'm looking forward to this ... cheers.

 

[crimmy]

I'd like Zoe gone ... how quickly did she become the girl who has to have a cry in the bedroom after being criticised by Ashleigh for always being so positive and not showing varying emotions? she's as bad as Mark in changing her act to suit what has been said ...

also found it interesting that Ashleigh voted for Chris and said such lovely things about him - so either she is totally oblivious or the creepiness is just not there
don't think viewers will vote for Chris based on his comments about people needing to drop Victorian attitudes ... whilst the age gap is probably the big question mark over their relationship if their genders were reversed noone would probably have any problem with it - people would be going awwww instead! There is a view that men and women cannot be friends - that it always has to have a sexual aspect ... bollocks to that idea I say!!! (ohhh how very BBUK of me ... BOLLOCKS BOLLOCKS BOLLOCKS)

AND might I say that I think the image of Ash dancing around in that god awful mankini is probably burnt to the back of my eyeballs - there are some things you just wish you could UNsee ... and that is one of them!!!

People do seem to be warming to Helen or at least they SEE that she is making some effort or HAD learnt a few valuable lessons whilst in the house.
I can see that too but whether she is able to actually move forward positively OR she will revert to her old ways once outside the house is a totally different story. I realise that her actions early on are a reflection of the life she's led but each and everyone of her choices have been her own choices ... it has been nice to see a different side to her and I think losing all the sycophants has been a bonus for her ...

Zoe this week ... and if Pav can't lift his game and be a bit more interesting then him next week ...

Danielle is a boring panel member for BOTS ... she does look 100% better than she did in the house but then again so would I with the benefit of hair and makeup artists. There were times in the house I absolutely struggled to see how she could ever be classed as a model anything !

 

[Lindsay1973]

...it's good to see that Helen hasn't lost her touch when the public said that she was two-faced etc... "fooking bastards!" was her usual response... you know what Helen's problem is?... she is just like George Costanza from Seinfeld... remember this quote?...

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...she has the same sort of mindset as this... she seriously and honestly believes that she does nothing wrong whatsoever... she believes it so much that she deludes herself into believing that everyone else is responsible for all of her woes and betides!... when she is so cruel to people as in the past she really honestly believes in her feeble mind that she is 'doing them a favour' in pointing out to them as to why she is annoyed with them...

...she has no idea that she is upsetting people when she is doing it because it's all about her... how dare you upset her?... who the fook are you to upset me?... you have to pay the penalty of my wrath now!... then when she dispenses her cruel and heartless tirade she really believes that she has now set them straight and if nothing else they should now thank her and worship her from afar...

...she may have come a long way on her 'journey' (to her) within the house as far as she is concerned but she hasn't changed one bit from day one.... calling the public "fooking bastards!" without batting an eyelid proves that to me as far as I'm concerned... how DARE THEY say that?... how DARE THEY call me two-faced?... yep!... same old same old Helen!... and Big Brother have her earmarked to win it at the end?...

...it's good to see Chris go to the Diary Room to put Big Brother and the public straight about how they are talking about him and questioning them on the reasons for their accusations... he got a helluva lot of points from me for doing that... he made it quite clear of how he feels about all of those people condemning him... good onya Chris!!!!!... this is what he said word for word...

...if you actually think I'm 'creepy'... for whatever reason...
...if it's 'creepy' in ANY way in relation to my friendship with Ashleigh...
...then... sorry it looks that way but... I am not going to change my friendship with her...
...sorry it looks that way... I'm embarrassed that you think that...
...I'm uncomfortable that you think that but it DOES NOT change anything...
...the idea of being perceived as being 'creepy' around someone...
...who I really value as a friend and as a person... is not nice for me...
...and I don't want Ashleigh to ever feel uncomfortable around me...
...or to think that I even have an agenda with her... I don't know how this is being portrayed...
...I cant really concern myself with that...
...my concern right now is in here feeling that my friends are my friends...
...you can't take my friends away from me... by making me feel that I should change my behaviour...
...I am not ashamed to have a friend who is of a different age and a different sex...
...and people have got to get out of this 'Victorian' mindset that that is inappropriate... because it's not!...
...why can't people be friends with different races and different sexes... different languages... everything?...
...why can people not just be mates?... it... it's because she's a pretty girl... is that basically it?...
...because if that's it... then you don't have the first understanding of me... at all!

...Chris is not THAT good an actor... he would never be able to pull that off without making mistakes if he rehearsed that... that was genuine heartfelt bewilderment of why people are perceiving him that way unless Big Brother is portraying him that way... to be honest... I don't think that he now gives a flying rats arse whether or not he's going on Friday now... I think that the 'creepy' tag has broken him... he's lost his spirit... he would never give that anger filled message to Big Brother and the public alike in a month of Sundays before now... he is genuinely hurt and disgusted by us all... I don't blame him the poor bugger...

...stick that up you Big Brother!... stick that up you the mindless sheep called the 'public!'... that's what Chris was basically telling us all and I don't blame him...

...I was so happy with Christopher putting things straight with Big Brother and the public in his relationship with Mark... to me... with the both of them doing that shows me just how much Big Brother manipulates the storylines to suit themselves... the fact that both Chris and Christopher were so infuriated about it enough to actually get pure anger from the both of them speaks volumes to me of Big Brothers manipulation... as I said in a previous post... Big Brother have tarnished Chris so much in the past few days that he is now destined to go this Friday more than likely... it is so bloody disgusting!!!... if nothing else... at least Chris got to give them all a bloody good conscience swipe on his way out... the poor bastard...

...sorry about yet another long post but a lot needed to be said... I am so angry with BBUK ... now to watch the one sided bias on BOTS... I'm all stoked up to watch Emma guide the circus elephants to perform the way that BBUK want it... I'm looking forward to this ... cheers.

Did you notice on Bots that Emma said the creepy thing was a joke and she looked rather perturbed that people kept insisting that he was creepy...looking forward to him coming on there and setting them all straight,He is rather well spoken and that speech was awesome..go Chris!!

 

[Mr Stickyfingers]

...hmmm... we must have been both typing at the same time there crimmy... it looks like we're both on the same wavelength about Helen and Chris in our own way... I love what you said here...

I'd like Zoe gone ... how quickly did she become the girl who has to have a cry in the bedroom after being criticised by Ashleigh for always being so positive and not showing varying emotions? she's as bad as Mark in changing her act to suit what has been said ...

...I did notice that too but forgot to include it in my rantings... so you saw it too eh?... I'm glad that it wasn't just me... I so hope that Zoe goes instead of Chris and even Pav... I really do... a great post by the way crimmy... cheers.

 

[Mr Stickyfingers]

Did you notice on Bots that Emma said the creepy thing was a joke and she looked rather perturbed that people kept insisting that he was creepy...looking forward to him coming on there and setting them all straight,He is rather well spoken and that speech was awesome..go Chris!!

...really?... I'm just about to sit down and watch BOTS now... I just had to pour myself a nice glass of rum to calm me down after my rather long rant before lol!... I'll get back to you on this one Lindsay once I've stopped screaming at my computer after having watched it lol!... cheers.

 

[Mr Stickyfingers]

...that speech of Chris's tonight is one of the highlights of the whole series for me so far... it really is... he shows pride in himself... he shows that he has honour... is extremely intelligent... loyal to close friends... and fights injustice when he sees it!... I would imagine that outside of Big Brother he would be a great friend to have... he really didn't deserve to be treated that way at all... and from what you have told me about Emma tonight perhaps BBUK have realised that they have stepped across the lines of decency and duty of care towards one of their housemates... if I was Chris I would take the issue a lot further with them once out of the house... perhaps even in legal terms too just to really shake them up... anyhow Lindsay... I'm off to watch BOTS now... I'll try not to rant too much when I get back lolol!... cheers.

 

[Lindsay1973]

...that speech of Chris's tonight is one of the highlights of the whole series for me so far... it really is... he shows pride in himself... he shows that he has honour... is extremely intelligent... loyal to close friends... and fights injustice when he sees it!... I would imagine that outside of Big Brother he would be a great friend to have... he really didn't deserve to be treated that way at all... and from what you have told me about Emma tonight perhaps BBUK have realised that they have stepped across the lines of decency and duty of care towards one of their housemates... if I was Chris I would take the issue a lot further with them once out of the house... perhaps even in legal terms too just to really shake them up... anyhow Lindsay... I'm off to watch BOTS now... I'll try not to rant too much when I get back lolol!... cheers.

Rant away I look forward to coming here and seeing them .Even Ashleighs BF said he didnt see Chris as creepy

 

[Mr Stickyfingers]

Edit:... this is a long rant... I hope that you get all the way through it...BOTS confirmed what we all think tonight in my opinion...

...my god!... when that guy in the audience started babbling on about 'Helen's journey' Emma kneeled down before him adoringly and gave him far more airtime than they usually do with the audience behind her... (he was loving the sound of his own bullshit too in his 15 minutes of fame)...

...Emma took exception when Danielle disagreed with Emma and the audience about Helen and did say that Helen was two-faced... Emma so wants Helen to be loved... you're right about Emma getting a bit disjointed when that panel member called Chris 'creepy Chris'... she can see that he might take that label of him further when he's out as I said above...

...I do like Dianne Youdale (the life coach... whatever that is )... but even she was pushing the 'new Helen' crud too... (I got annoyed with her for the fist time ever tonight)... but the way that Emma talked about Helen dropping the 'F Bombs' (as she described it) even then she just casually laughed it off as ...' oh it's Helen just being Helen'... no... hang on Emma... she actually called all of us "FUCKING BASTARDS!"... she didn't say 'F this'... 'F that' as in dropping funny little 'F Bombs'... she called us "FB's!!!"... so don't laugh it off so Helen sounds 'funny'... that's not funny... it's insulting to us... the public!!!!...

...see... this is exactly the way that the producers have been treating us 'fucking bastards' throughout the whole series... we are nothing to them... they don't care about how we feel about it all... they don't care what we want... they don't want who we want in to win... Emma was showing us all that in that very moment!!!!...

...Dianne did say that Helen knows what she is doing in the last two weeks though so good on her for saying that... now when it came to Chris's epic statement in the Diary room BBUK even edited out the parts of it that they didn't like... this is a prime example of how they only put in the bits that suit them... here is the original as I wrote it word for word above...

...if you actually think I'm 'creepy'... for whatever reason...
...if it's 'creepy' in ANY way in relation to my friendship with Ashleigh...
...then... sorry it looks that way but... I am not going to change my friendship with her...
...sorry it looks that way... I'm embarrassed that you think that...
...I'm uncomfortable that you think that but it DOES NOT change anything...
...the idea of being perceived as being 'creepy' around someone...
...who I really value as a friend and as a person... is not nice for me...
...and I don't want Ashleigh to ever feel uncomfortable around me...
...or to think that I even have an agenda with her... I don't know how this is being portrayed...
...I cant really concern myself with that...
...my concern right now is in here feeling that my friends are my friends...
...you can't take my friends away from me... by making me feel that I should change my behaviour...
...I am not ashamed to have a friend who is of a different age and a different sex...
...and people have got to get out of this 'Victorian' mindset that that is inappropriate... because it's not!...
...why can't people be friends with different races and different sexes... different languages... everything?...
...why can people not just be mates?... it... it's because she's a pretty girl... is that basically it?...
...because if that's it... then you don't have the first understanding of me... at all!


...and here are the highlighted parts that they used for BOTS...


...if you actually think I'm 'creepy'... for whatever reason...
...if it's 'creepy' in ANY way in relation to my friendship with Ashleigh...
...then... sorry it looks that way but... I am not going to change my friendship with her...
...sorry it looks that way... I'm embarrassed that you think that...
...I'm uncomfortable that you think that but it DOES NOT change anything...
...the idea of being perceived as being 'creepy' around someone...
...who I really value as a friend and as a person... is not nice for me...
...and I don't want Ashleigh to ever feel uncomfortable around me...
...or to think that I even have an agenda with her... I don't know how this is being portrayed...
...I cant really concern myself with that...
...my concern right now is in here feeling that my friends are my friends...
...you can't take my friends away from me... by making me feel that I should change my behaviour...
...I am not ashamed to have a friend who is of a different age and a different sex...
...and people have got to get out of this 'Victorian' mindset that that is inappropriate... because it's not!...
...why can't people be friends with different races and different sexes... different languages... everything?...
...why can people not just be mates?... it... it's because she's a pretty girl... is that basically it?...
...because if that's it... then you don't have the first understanding of me... at all!

...the blue highlight is what they showed... all the part in black that was not shown is the part where he is talking about being hurt by it all...and how much of a friend Ashleigh is to him... they never showed the part where he was kicking into BBUK with the..

...'you can't take my friends away from me... by making me feel that I should change my behaviour'...

...where it shows his defiance against BB and the hurt that he is suffering at the hands of BB... it's disgusting... I'm so glad that I took the time to write down the transcript of Chris's in the first place... and the other most imporatant line in it the last line...

"...because if that's it... then you don't have the first understanding of me... at all!"...

...both of those lines are showing both BB and the public that what they have done is wrong... that they should be ashamed of themselves... funny how they weren't shown eh?...

...imagine the producers editing it... 'nah!... can't show that bit it makes us looks like fuckwits!'... and the second?... 'nah!... we can't show that because it might offend the viewers... we need the ratings!'...

...they haven't shown Chris's response in the CONTEXT that he had put it in... what they showed was making Chris look like he's shitty with everyone and wants to go... not that he was just answering the accusations against him only!... the audience went... "Ooooooh!"... after they were shown the edit of his speech as if he was crying sour grapes because his 'creepiness' was 'exposed'... when there was no such thing in the first place!!!!!...

...now the viewers would've heard the whole speech in the daily show but because it wasn't all written down as I have done... they would've only remembered what BB had shown them just then and remembered ONLY THAT!... all the other more significant stuff from the heart and the telling them off part would not be remembered!... this is what BB preys on when they do the editing ... people's lack of memory that they saw for themselves earlier in the actual day show!!!...

...the fact that Emma said after it... "I've gotta say that I feel really sorry for him and agree with him 100%"... what a two-faced hypocritical bitch she is!... she was the one that implied that Chris was 'creepy' a few shows back in the first place!!!... I'm really beginning to despise Emma for shit like this... saying that it was 'all in jest' is even worse!... Dianne was the voice of reason after Emma stopped her pathetic back peddling and said that isn't it great that he looked straight down the camera and challenged us etc etc... and of course Emma makes light of this very significant moment by saying a flippant remark and then going straight to a commercial break...

...and what happens when they come back from the break?... they do a disgusting skit taking the piss out of Chris's 'Victorian mindset' part of his speech!... the low bastards!!!!... a heartfelt speech from Chris's heart defending himself reduced down to that... fucking shitful!!!!...

... Chris's friend Sam then comes onto the show to talk about him and what has happened... when asked by Emma about it all he says..."Ashleigh and Chris are with each other for 14 hours a day and the editors take out 2 minutes of it"...

...Emma's pathetic response?... "it's a show that's edited!... what can I say?"... and grins at the camera then quickly moves on to the next guest... Emma then had a go at Chris's friend Sam because he was smirking at a woman in the audience because they had made eye contact and said..."I thought there was a bit of sarcasm going on there"... (while the other guest was talking about his friend Zoe)... obviously Emma was still shitty with Sam because he made her look stupid with his comment before... what a snide bitch!...

...Chris's hedgehog impression was the only thing that was amusing on the show tonight...

... I think that Pav has a beautiful gentle nature and I think that he would make a good friend on the outside... there I've said it!...

...Zoe was as irritating as shit... get her out!!!!!!....

...those guests... what a waste of space... why is Danielle still appearing on there?... ho hum yawn!... I was sure that those boobs were going to roam free... although her hoping that Zoe goes made me like her again a little... the 'You're a liar!' thing was just stupid!... the 'focus group' looks like just another excuse for an intrusion from the outside world again... **YAWN**...

...my god... this rant was longer than the first one!!!!!!... sorry peoples... time to drink more rum... cheers.

 

[Winterbourne]

So any predictions for who will get booed/chanted at the eviction?

If Mark is mentioned, I think he'll cop a boo or two. Cheers for Winston, Ash, Ashleigh, Christopher. Mostly boos, but the odd cheer for Helen, if they show her, which they have always been very careful not to do, I now realize. I guess they want the fans to savour the rare relish of hurling abuse at her for the proper time. (Or, as it really does seem, production is doing everything to raise her story from 'Unreasonable bitch learns to interact like a normal person' to 'What an inspiring growth story.' Anyway...) Pav will get boos with the odd cheer, Zoe will get mixed boos and cheers, much more negative than last time, but her existing fanbase will cheer, but the boos will be virulent. Anyone else in there? Chris.... hmmm. For me he managed to defuse the creepy thing, with the help of everyone else, during the google task. Probably another mix... can't predict, actually. My 2 cents.

 

[nutmeg]

Chris, Helen and BOTS are the topic of the day, so my two pence worth ...

I'm not really sure why people are buying into the Creepy Chris thing. He's not perfect but he's a solid, decent guy. But I don't think it has anything to do with a male/female age difference friendship though. I think BB viewers love a real friendship whatever shape it comes in. I think it could be three things:

1. His problem with Pav. We saw when he talked to Ashleigh about it that she didn't give it much credence, and Chris admitted at some point when talking to someone else about it that no one else had noticed. But he gave Pav the impression that everyone was on the same page, including (I think) Ashleigh. So it would appear he's prepared to make Pav feel uncomfortable over an invented issue. And I think that the public has gone well if you're going to pull that crap, take a look at your own behaviour mate. And then people have applied Chris's own standards to himself, which is basically that you can read anything into any situation if you want to.
2. His relationship with Helen. Her posse are almost all gone, but then Chris has popped up as a replacement. A lot of people seem to think he was being fake when he was crying to Helen the other day. I'm prepared to believe it was genuine because it is pretty intense being in that house and emotions can jump out in all sorts of odd ways, but either way, it is still uncomfortable to see him need her approval so much, which directly contradicts what he has said about her behind her back.
3. He was ostracised at the start and wasn't happy, but he has been prepared to let Pav feel the same way. And even when he is talking to others, despite making all the right noises about wanting the newbies to feel included, he keeps bagging Pav, almost like he is trying to ensure that he keeps everyone in his negative mind set.

I think the public distrust emerged around these events, so people were suddenly open to being led by BOTS's meddling (which wouldn't have worked previously), and while I would have thought that he was popular enough on the outside to be forgiven a few mistakes, it would appear not. His speech was great, and hopefully that will turn the public around, because he doesn't deserve to be remembered as Creepy Chris.


About Helen, I don't dislike her, I definitely think that when she is not gripped with rage, a lot of her insults are jokes, or rather exaggerated versions of her real feelings. Maybe a way of hiding her hurt? But I also think that her levels of self awareness are confused. She knows she has problems with her behaviour, but she appears to only be able to take that so far. She will bag someone for getting angry or bitching, and then at some point she realises that this is what she does as well, but then she says 'but when I do it I have a good reason'. Well, we all think we have a good reason when we are having carry on, we all feel justified at the time, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it, but that doesn't mean it actually is a good reason, but Helen seems convinced that hers are the only good reasons. She's definitely 'had a journey' in the house, but it reminds me of training a dog (no snide dog reference intended). Just because you've trained your dog to sit in your lounge room, doesn't mean she will automatically be able to sit at the dog park, she has to be trained to do it in different situations. I suspect that Helen has learnt how to behave in the BB house, and will need to really work at it to keep it up outside.


And about BOTS, Emma is a real BB fan, and used to criticise production decisions when she didn't agree, but IMO she changed when she took over the main show last year. She became more corporate, which might explain why she seems to do production's bidding now. And I was so happy to read Sticky's comments about Diane Youdale, she's my favourite psycho babbler on the show. As someone said earlier, Judy and some of the others sometimes form their opinions and ignore events that contradict them, which is annoying coming from professionals, but Diane is a fairer judge of people and situations, I believe.

So much for my two pence worth, more like twenty pence.

 

[clover504]

I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying Stickyfingers, and I get frustrated with editing and stuff...

But...

That's not how I see BOTS anymore. It used to be a bit more "exclusive clips" and house news, and now I see as more of Water cooler gossip.

To me, That is the appeal of BOTS! I love how it makes me laugh, get annoyed at, cringe, make fun of housemates, catching up with past and evicted housemates and all that other stuff, it's a show that gets me more involved, gets me on forums like this - discussing it!

I love watching BBUK but don't have friends that watch it too, and watching BOTS is like "water cooler gossip" to me. I don't always agree, but I love hearing the discussion, thoughts of the guests, and audience is what I think is something missing from BB AUS.

Here is Aus we get any that kind of stuff thrown into the live shows, and they use up all the show time with Sonya chatting and carrying on about nothing rather than seeing what is happening in the house.

It also It keeps the Main show moving forward and up to date, because it has to keep up with the live production of BOTS. We go in AUS from Friday episode (showing Thursday's house action) through Eviction Sunday showing very little from the house, Monday Noms, again showing little from the house, to Tuesday's show, showing the Noms announcement and fallout,so nothing really from Thurs-Tues. The only shows that have any actual content is usually Wed and Thurs (task stuff). But in the UK Main Show, we get so much more house action, (in fact there is so much content we often don't even see tasks) and because they put most the other stuff in the BOTS show.

This thought/comment reminded me of how much I loved the "Big Brother Uncouth" Video Podcast by Lea and Kain/Goon/Swans Ninja (I think I'm missing one) , and the Behind BB Audio Podcast!!!

 

[nutmeg]

I agree with quite a bit of what you are saying Stickyfingers, and I get frustrated with editing and stuff...

But...

That's not how I see BOTS anymore. It used to be a bit more "exclusive clips" and house news, and now I see as more of Water cooler gossip.

To me, That is the appeal of BOTS! I love how it makes me laugh, get annoyed at, cringe, make fun of housemates, catching up with past and evicted housemates and all that other stuff, it's a show that gets me more involved, gets me on forums like this - discussing it!

I love watching BBUK but don't have friends that watch it too, and watching BOTS is like "water cooler gossip" to me. I don't always agree, but I love hearing the discussion, thoughts of the guests, and audience is what I think is something missing from BB AUS.

Here is Aus we get any that kind of stuff thrown into the live shows, and they use up all the show time with Sonya chatting and carrying on about nothing rather than seeing what is happening in the house.

It also It keeps the Main show moving forward and up to date, because it has to keep up with the live production of BOTS. We go in AUS from Friday episode (showing Thursday's house action) through Eviction Sunday showing very little from the house, Monday Noms, again showing little from the house, to Tuesday's show, showing the Noms announcement and fallout,so nothing really from Thurs-Tues. The only shows that have any actual content is usually Wed and Thurs (task stuff). But in the UK Main Show, we get so much more house action, (in fact there is so much content we often don't even see tasks) and because they put most the other stuff in the BOTS show.

This thought/comment reminded me of how much I loved the "Big Brother Uncouth" Video Podcast by Lea and Kain/Goon/Swans Ninja (I think I'm missing one) , and the Behind BB Audio Podcast!!!

I enjoy hearing all the different opinions too, even the ones I don't agree with. It's fascinating how we all see the same material but form different opinions. That's half the fun of watching BB, being exposed to different points of view both within and outside the house.

It does annoy me however that most of the clips we see on BOTS are replayed in the highlights show the following day. Too much repetition, and it is a wasted opportunity to show us interesting clips that don't fit into their storylines.

 

[clover504]

Chris, Helen and BOTS are the topic of the day, so my two pence worth ...

I'm not really sure why people are buying into the Creepy Chris thing. He's not perfect but he's a solid, decent guy. But I don't think it has anything to do with a male/female age difference friendship though. I think BB viewers love a real friendship whatever shape it comes in. I think it could be three things:

1. His problem with Pav. We saw when he talked to Ashleigh about it that she didn't give it much credence, and Chris admitted at some point when talking to someone else about it that no one else had noticed. But he gave Pav the impression that everyone was on the same page, including (I think) Ashleigh. So it would appear he's prepared to make Pav feel uncomfortable over an invented issue. And I think that the public has gone well if you're going to pull that crap, take a look at your own behaviour mate. And then people have applied Chris's own standards to himself, which is basically that you can read anything into any situation if you want to.
2. His relationship with Helen. Her posse are almost all gone, but then Chris has popped up as a replacement. A lot of people seem to think he was being fake when he was crying to Helen the other day. I'm prepared to believe it was genuine because it is pretty intense being in that house and emotions can jump out in all sorts of odd ways, but either way, it is still uncomfortable to see him need her approval so much, which directly contradicts what he has said about her behind her back.
3. He was ostracised at the start and wasn't happy, but he has been prepared to let Pav feel the same way. And even when he is talking to others, despite making all the right noises about wanting the newbies to feel included, he keeps bagging Pav, almost like he is trying to ensure that he keeps everyone in his negative mind set.

I think the public distrust emerged around these events, so people were suddenly open to being led by BOTS's meddling (which wouldn't have worked previously), and while I would have thought that he was popular enough on the outside to be forgiven a few mistakes, it would appear not. His speech was great, and hopefully that will turn the public around, because he doesn't deserve to be remembered as Creepy Chris.


About Helen, I don't dislike her, I definitely think that when she is not gripped with rage, a lot of her insults are jokes, or rather exaggerated versions of her real feelings. Maybe a way of hiding her hurt? But I also think that her levels of self awareness are confused. She knows she has problems with her behaviour, but she appears to only be able to take that so far. She will bag someone for getting angry or bitching, and then at some point she realises that this is what she does as well, but then she says 'but when I do it I have a good reason'. Well, we all think we have a good reason when we are having carry on, we all feel justified at the time, otherwise we wouldn't be doing it, but that doesn't mean it actually is a good reason, but Helen seems convinced that hers are the only good reasons. She's definitely 'had a journey' in the house, but it reminds me of training a dog (no snide dog reference intended). Just because you've trained your dog to sit in your lounge room, doesn't mean she will automatically be able to sit at the dog park, she has to be trained to do it in different situations. I suspect that Helen has learnt how to behave in the BB house, and will need to really work at it to keep it up outside.


And about BOTS, Emma is a real BB fan, and used to criticise production decisions when she didn't agree, but IMO she changed when she took over the main show last year. She became more corporate, which might explain why she seems to do production's bidding now. And I was so happy to read Sticky's comments about Diane Youdale, she's my favourite psycho babbler on the show. As someone said earlier, Judy and some of the others sometimes form their opinions and ignore events that contradict them, which is annoying coming from professionals, but Diane is a fairer judge of people and situations, I believe.

So much for my two pence worth, more like twenty pence.

I think Chris is simply wanting to be liked/loved and in the house (as the numbers dwindle, and due to time in the house) that has now become him wanting being part of the "Cool Gang" and uniting against the common enemy is how he is able to do that.

And I agree about Emma being a BB fan, and I think she must find it hard going from being able to have differing opinions and voicing them, to holding back (especially when they still have her hosting BOTS). But I think she has to try, because she can't isolate herself from the audience, and also can't isolate herself from the housemates, as she has to bring them from inside the house 5 minutes ago, to "tell me everything", plus she is also the reassuring hug as they exit and the crowd boo them (which really must be scary, no matter how much you know it is panto). I think she does a good job overall.

 

[clover504]

I enjoy hearing all the different opinions too, even the ones I don't agree with. It's fascinating how we all see the same material but form different opinions. That's half the fun of watching BB, being exposed to different points of view both within and outside the house.

It does annoy me however that most of the clips we see on BOTS are replayed in the highlights show the following day. Too much repetition, and it is a wasted opportunity to show us interesting clips that don't fit into their storylines.

The repitition can be annoying, but that's what keeps it current and up to date, not like in AUS house where they show stuff that is four or five days old all the time.

 

[crimmy]

Rant away I look forward to coming here and seeing them .Even Ashleighs BF said he didnt see Chris as creepy

what I have loved is hearing Ashleigh's BF telling Emma that Ashleigh doesn't need him telling her anything, that she is her own person, she doesn't need protection, nor does she belong to anyone, etc AND that he didn't see anything wrong in the friendship between Chris and Ashleigh. When I heard him talking about Ashleigh I thought 'go girl - he's a keeper!' He obviously has a lot of respect for her as a person ...

Ashleigh has an old head on young shoulders - she's gravitated towards the (supposely) ultra-conservative Danielle and once she lost her in the house she's been more attuned to Chris than the likes of Helen (even though they are getting very chatty these days I still don't think the level of trust will ever be there between the two of them - they are simply the last two original females standing and are distrustful of Zoe) Ash, Winston & Mark.

I wonder how old the BF is - he comes across like he could be mid-20's at least but maybe he's just another old/mature head on young shoulders too

 

[crimmy]

I think Chris is simply wanting to be liked/loved and in the house (as the numbers dwindle, and due to time in the house) that has now become him wanting being part of the "Cool Gang" and uniting against the common enemy is how he is able to do that.

And I agree about Emma being a BB fan, and I think she must find it hard going from being able to have differing opinions and voicing them, to holding back (especially when they still have her hosting BOTS). But I think she has to try, because she can't isolate herself from the audience, and also can't isolate herself from the housemates, as she has to bring them from inside the house 5 minutes ago, to "tell me everything", plus she is also the reassuring hug as they exit and the crowd boo them (which really must be scary, no matter how much you know it is panto). I think she does a good job overall.

what gets me - and she isn't the only one that does it - Rylan does too ... any guest (evicted HM or guest or family member) - before they have even spoken so no opportunity to properly gauge the frame of mind they are in "Are you alright?" ... not "how are you? how are you doing? etc but Are you alright?

 

[crimmy]

I enjoy hearing all the different opinions too, even the ones I don't agree with. It's fascinating how we all see the same material but form different opinions. That's half the fun of watching BB, being exposed to different points of view both within and outside the house.

It does annoy me however that most of the clips we see on BOTS are replayed in the highlights show the following day. Too much repetition, and it is a wasted opportunity to show us interesting clips that don't fit into their storylines.

yes you'd think they could find a bit more original content rather than repeating ... after all they have 24/7 camera footage to work with

 

[the Theorist]

Oh my GOD, what the actual FUCK was with that Focus Group thing?! That was actually infuriating - not only for the HM's but for us as fans of the show too.

Whoever the hell thought it was a good idea to air something like THAT into the Big Brother house should be shot.

Sooooo much outside world knowledge this whole season but that just topped the list as the absolute worst ever.

So bad. What the fooooookkk!!