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Episode BBAU 2020 - Episode 6 Discussion (16 June)
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I still don't understand the logic of these people and how they play the game.
"Angie has kept me safe, this is a betrayal of her."
"She is my friend and I'll be sad if she goes."
"I will nominate her for winning challenges" .... Where she kept you safe as you guys are friends!
I was like Sbong, "he may win challenges." Yeah, so be on his good side and it'll keep you safe.
It's a very limited strategy in the game playing.
"Angie has kept me safe, this is a betrayal of her."
"She is my friend and I'll be sad if she goes."
"I will nominate her for winning challenges" .... Where she kept you safe as you guys are friends!
I was like Sbong, "he may win challenges." Yeah, so be on his good side and it'll keep you safe.
It's a very limited strategy in the game playing.
mikidiki
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The housemates being able to vote is what's turning me off the show this year and making me less interested. It's makes it more obvious as soon as someone wins a challenge who they will put up and who will vote for whom. It should be like every year - live - and make it a vote to evict rather than a vote to save. All the good players will end up leaving this way. The prerecorded thing seems wrong.
I think an issue is that most house mates don't know how to play the game.
I think Ange was right about people just planning on cruising through to the end.
Something is just a bit off by the strat, how the game is being run, but also how it is being played. I think it needs to be more dynamic and complex than, "win a challenge, nominate." It seems to encourage, "do nothing."
Melore
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I thought the SNAG they have playing BB said she would be watching for three days. So one eviction cycle/daily show. I guess that means she gets to miss being nominated for the next show, if that makes sense.
Columbo
Never again
How is keeping on sbong's good side a better move than voting him out as soon as he doesn't win a challenge?
Columbo
Never again
I think the downside to this strategy based game is that if there's a strong group there is every chance that all they have to do is stick together and they'll get to the end. I mean someone like Angela has to make moves because she is on the outer. But all Dan has to do is stay tight with his alliance. Which makes for boring tv but a solid strategy imo.
On Survivor they start out in tribes for teh first half of the season. If your tribe loses (especially if it keeps losing) the immunity challenges, then it makes sense to vote out your weakest players. Doesn't always work out like that as sometimes they vote out threats or annoying people first. Or they have formed alliances and just take out their non-alliance tribe members.
Melore
Tiny Member
I think a look at the voting tallies is quite illustrative. In six evictions, every time there was a POC in the nominated three, they went out. There were two votes which did not include any POC, so they could not have been possibly voted out. First chance, out they go.
It makes for uncomfortable viewing. The whole show is built on othering, but the viewers voting could be swayed by footage, and in this iteration of BB the viewers who are swayed by footage can't vote, and the cast who are dull and pedestrian are revealing their perhaps unconscious bias in voting out those who they see as 'not one of us'.
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I've been thinking about this unconscious bias issue. Maybe it's racial bias in some cases, but I can't judge it either. Considering social categorisation and in/out group dynamics, how does that interplay with racial bias?
All caged intruders were perceived as invasive threats by some of the in-group - meaning the existing housemates and moreso the ruling in-group with arguably more to lose/higher concern for self preservation. That bit had nothing to do with racial bias.
Add, Soobong's seemingly overt, rapid-fire posturing as a lesser known/affiliated threat among threats and he provided an easy, path of least resistance (somewhat group) vote. Which is a shame. I think he could have been good value like Angela. However, if that was the case, I also wonder why they let him go?
It doesn't explain Laura and Allan's ousting, though human nature's general tendancy to feel more secure among like minded people could have contributed, while Kieran's survival, I suspect is partially producer-manipulated, singled-out, show-pony retention, combined with his own scramble effort.
Is forum support for 'tv characters' who are there to entertain, the same as the social group dynamics when fame, following and $250K is at stake?
I don't think the demographic and psychographic segementation of BB housemates can be paralleled or compared with the group of forum posters as equally representative samples. I'm guessing in the forum sample is comparatively skewed to minorities, diversity and higher intelligence for a start.
Sorry, back on track...
All caged intruders were perceived as invasive threats by some of the in-group - meaning the existing housemates and moreso the ruling in-group with arguably more to lose/higher concern for self preservation. That bit had nothing to do with racial bias.
Add, Soobong's seemingly overt, rapid-fire posturing as a lesser known/affiliated threat among threats and he provided an easy, path of least resistance (somewhat group) vote. Which is a shame. I think he could have been good value like Angela. However, if that was the case, I also wonder why they let him go?
It doesn't explain Laura and Allan's ousting, though human nature's general tendancy to feel more secure among like minded people could have contributed, while Kieran's survival, I suspect is partially producer-manipulated, singled-out, show-pony retention, combined with his own scramble effort.
Is forum support for 'tv characters' who are there to entertain, the same as the social group dynamics when fame, following and $250K is at stake?
I don't think the demographic and psychographic segementation of BB housemates can be paralleled or compared with the group of forum posters as equally representative samples. I'm guessing in the forum sample is comparatively skewed to minorities, diversity and higher intelligence for a start.
Sorry, back on track...
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Milan
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It ain't genuine on Dan's side though. I guarantee it.
Columbo
Never again
Have you spoken to Dan?
D Space
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Should create another thread for the racial bias chat, getting a bit OT in this episode discussion IMO.
I'm writing as someone who has not seen any BB series outside of Australian BB, so here goes a bit of my episode feedback.
What did I think of the episode ? BB Daze awards the episode 7/10 (the rest have been about the 6 mark). Grocery reward challenge was actually decent, Big Brother not setting them up with sprinkles and hundreds & thousands - seeing them have a sleepless night was great but also shows that they are weaklings and quite pathetic generally. Some of those catches or attempts at it were despiriting.. The BB experience should not be a holiday. The Ginger Dread House was a terrible idea - what sort of target audience did 7 have in mind for that, showing people with a fear of bubbles and cute puppies? How many K audience did BB lose during that escapade ?
So it was a great challenge as others have said. Now when it comes to Angela, I, probably and a few of you reading this, are getting tired of the whole cool group vs Angela & the old lady division. We love watching Angela but clearly she and Garth missed an opportunity to mend things.
I really like Garth, but his tactics have really been quite dreadful in this last episode. If he can't see that he's near the bottom rung of that "cool" group then he really needs to wake up to that fact. He did not stick up for the black tea, so clearly he feels that working with Zoe is a better strategy than extending a bridge and building bridges. Seeing somebody go complicit for "what is right" in a bullying tactic.. I get he was hurt by Angela's move to select him, and no kudos to either of them for not connecting up and mending this discord. A few passing words after the fact while tensions are high is not good enough. You need to wait for the next day for a private stroll in the green room or something and have a proper conversation about it. It appears they got too caught up in their emotions, I'll grade them an E for their work. That's from what we have seen.
So it's fine that Angela has "left" the game as I'm now tiring a little of this division and not seeing any progress there, it's back to how it was pre Talia's eviction. I'm ready to see the divisions in the cool group, their "cool group" strong is tiring... I just hope that Angela is away long enough for the cracks to show.... Hopefully we will get a good taste of that on Sunday night.
I'm writing as someone who has not seen any BB series outside of Australian BB, so here goes a bit of my episode feedback.
What did I think of the episode ? BB Daze awards the episode 7/10 (the rest have been about the 6 mark). Grocery reward challenge was actually decent, Big Brother not setting them up with sprinkles and hundreds & thousands - seeing them have a sleepless night was great but also shows that they are weaklings and quite pathetic generally. Some of those catches or attempts at it were despiriting.. The BB experience should not be a holiday. The Ginger Dread House was a terrible idea - what sort of target audience did 7 have in mind for that, showing people with a fear of bubbles and cute puppies? How many K audience did BB lose during that escapade ?
So it was a great challenge as others have said. Now when it comes to Angela, I, probably and a few of you reading this, are getting tired of the whole cool group vs Angela & the old lady division. We love watching Angela but clearly she and Garth missed an opportunity to mend things.
I really like Garth, but his tactics have really been quite dreadful in this last episode. If he can't see that he's near the bottom rung of that "cool" group then he really needs to wake up to that fact. He did not stick up for the black tea, so clearly he feels that working with Zoe is a better strategy than extending a bridge and building bridges. Seeing somebody go complicit for "what is right" in a bullying tactic.. I get he was hurt by Angela's move to select him, and no kudos to either of them for not connecting up and mending this discord. A few passing words after the fact while tensions are high is not good enough. You need to wait for the next day for a private stroll in the green room or something and have a proper conversation about it. It appears they got too caught up in their emotions, I'll grade them an E for their work. That's from what we have seen.
So it's fine that Angela has "left" the game as I'm now tiring a little of this division and not seeing any progress there, it's back to how it was pre Talia's eviction. I'm ready to see the divisions in the cool group, their "cool group" strong is tiring... I just hope that Angela is away long enough for the cracks to show.... Hopefully we will get a good taste of that on Sunday night.
Melore
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That's a good point, but the most likely thing they'll do is target the last obvious remaining 'other' being much older Marissa.
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