1st. Tv landscape is 100% completely different now in 2014 then it was in 2008.
2nd. As long as it wins the timeslot nine really does not care.
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2nd. As long as it wins the timeslot nine really does not care.
The ratings were slipping each year for BB before it even left Ten so how are people expecting that they'd magically jump or even be comparable to its heyday when it went to 9? Hell in 2007 Emma had said that the HMs were joking in the house that BB would be canceled while they were in there because they knew the ratings were bad and that's seven years ago!! BB is an old show in an environment where the overall # of people watching FTA these days has dropped considerably. In the US it's not even on during a ratings season... they plop it in the summer which counts for nothing. BBAU is helping 9 win the nights they care about and is doing well in its demos. That's what any network wants and it's delivering.
Melore
Tiny Member
It's an entirely different landscape for ratings figures from year to year, lately. Only a brief while ago I Will Survive was considered an utter flop at around 700,000 in primetime on Ten. (I loved that show.) Now A show that rates 700,00 is considered a grand success. God bless Ten, but if this year's BB was screening currently on Ten it would be lucky to get 4 or 500,000 viewers per night, if that.
With the addition of Multi Channels, downloading, Pay Tv, Youtube, and life ratings for EVERYTHING have gone down since 2008. In 2008 900k at 7pm was considered a fail. These days it's amazing for networks. 700k at 8.40-10.10pm is so good. And just because it say on the next day that BB got 667k or something does not mean just that. Consolidated numbers can add 60k on top of that. Demos are what bring in the cash. At that late time, to even REACH the top five in all demos is SO AMAZING for a network.
Whoa. I was with you until there. Clearly, you have no idea how American network television works. There are no off seasons. Well, midseason used to align with that as there were repeats of fall programming but that's supplemented by sports and also there are some new shows that debut midseason. But the larger networks develop a full lineup of new content for Summer seasons specifically (like any other season) with adjusted projections for overall viewership and key demographics. Anything not meeting expectations gets cancelled. Exceeding expectations by a wide margin can get the show bumped up to fall depending on what the present lineup is because fall does attract more total viewers but summer certainly isn't discounted.
I'd hope I know a bit about how it works... I not only lived in America my whole life before moving here but I also work in the industry and have my entire career. If I had no clue, I'd be in big trouble! BBUS isn't a flagship primetime fall show for CBS show as it is here in Australia. It's aired in the summer, and while in the US summer is used to test new content amongst all the repeats and reality shows it airs to try to compete with cable, Netflix and on demand, it's still considered the vastly poor second cousin to fall programming. So yes, "counts for nothing" was probably the wrong choice of words as it does count for "something" but my point was that there are all these expectations on what a 14 year old show should be doing in Australia when in the US it doesn't even make it to fall programming.
I don't know how long you were in the states or how long ago that was (maybe that's the key) but I'm here now and CBS, NBC, ABC, all the broadcast networks develop programming for Summer. If there are empty slots, yeah some shows can be run as trials (usually midseason, not summer) but BBUS is a summer show. It was never bumped from fall or meant to be part of the fall season because it always headed CBS's summer lineup. It airs alongside the popular apocalyptic drama Under the Dome - another summer only show - that was featured on BBUK because it airs on Ch5 in the UK.
Another example, ABC airs The Bachelorette, Mistresses and a host of other shows (I don't watch any of this tripe but I follow tv media journalism) developed specifically for Summer. They're not intended for any other periods but the summer. (For instance, The Bachelor owns the fall. The Bachelorette gets summer.) So... I don't know where you're getting your current information, but a simple search of "summer schedule 2014" for any network will reveal a slew of returning, multi-seasoned shows that are strictly for Summer.
ETA: BBUS has won its timeslot all but 5 times I think during its season 16 run. It just ended. And it often wins the entire night in viewers. If you think BBAU should be held to that standard, good luck.
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sav0001
Well-Known Member
Big Brother never rated this bad in total viewers for any of the channel ten seasons, even 2008. Even on Fridays, the 2008 season never went below 750k.
The networks have always developed programming for the summer. If not then there'd be nothing to justify the ad money for July sweeps. However the ad rates are considerably lower for the summer and look to be dropping again come 2015. Again, my whole point was that ask any EP of a program if they'd rather be airing in the fall and spring in the US or in the summer and the choice would always be the former. Those are the kings of the US schedule and BB is currently airing in that slot here in Australia. That's all I was saying lol
Again, you're trying to compare ratings from six years ago with ratings of 2014. You can't do that. Overall viewership is down of everything. They will NEVER get those ratings again. No shows see ratings like they did 6+ years ago.
2008:
Week 4 Monday: 710k
Week 4 Tuesday: 730k
Week 9 Sunday show, ratings 650k
Week 8 Monday: 660k
Week 9 Monday: 610k
Week 7 Tuesday: 670k
Week 8 Tuesday: 620k
Week 9 Tuesday: 590k
Week 7 Wed: 670k
Week 8 Wed: 630k
Week 9 Wed: 620k
And there are several more that fell below 750k http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_8_(Australia)
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Again, you're trying to compare ratings from six years ago with ratings of 2014. You can't do that. Overall viewership is down. They will NEVER get those ratings again. No shows see ratings like they did 6+ years ago.
2008: Week 9 Sunday show, ratings 650k
Week 8 Monday: 660k
Week 9 Monday: 610k
Week 7 Tuesday: 670k
Week 8 Tuesday: 620k
Week 9 Tuesday: 590k
Week 7 Wed: 670k
Week 8 Wed: 630k
Week 9 Wed: 620k
And there are several more that fell below 750k http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_8_(Australia)
But what happened to summer being all repeats and trials for the "grand stage" of fall?
Yeah, I'm very familiar with commercial buyrates and ad spots. Thanks for the refresher. That's why summer content is less expensive to produce (hence, the inflation of reality shows). But the big networks in the last 4 or 5 years have put emphasis on creating new scripted content for Summer like Rookie Blue and Mistresses, so it's not a red haired step child. It actually trumps midseason for developed creative content (not in ad rates, of course) because March/Spring is overrun by sports.
Anyway, the BBUS comparison is unintuitive because the U.S. structural model (especially for a top broadcast network like CBS) is so vastly different from Ch9's. BBUS is a success in its own right and not in spite of premiering in the summer. It brings in good revenue from live feeds which are still very popular and is the unofficial flagship for CBS summer programming. BBAU's standards are more than likely much lower despite it's "flagship" status on Ch9. Treating them the same would overwhelm the expectations of BBAU despite it being the better show IMHO.
I'm not sure what's with the sarcasm. I think I've been pretty polite considering the assumptions you made about someone who is not only American but has spent two decades working in this industry, the majority of it in the US.But what happened to summer being all repeats and trials for the "grand stage" of fall?
Yeah, I'm very familiar with commercial buyrates and ad spots. Thanks for the refresher. That's why summer content is less expensive to produce (hence, the inflation of reality shows). But the big networks in the last 4 or 5 years have put emphasis on creating new scripted content for Summer like Rookie Blue and Mistresses, so it's not a red haired step child. It actually trumps midseason for developed creative content (not in ad rates, of course) because March/Spring is overrun by sports.
Anyway, the BBUS comparison is unintuitive because the U.S. structural model (especially for a top broadcast network like CBS) is so vastly different from Ch9's. BBUS is a success in its own right and not in spite of premiering in the summer. It brings in good revenue from live feeds which are still very popular and is the unofficial flagship for CBS summer programming. BBAU's standards are more than likely much lower despite it's "flagship" status on Ch9. Treating them the same would overwhelm the expectations of BBAU despite it being the better show IMHO.
Anyway, September to May are the "grand stages" in the US. Summer is not. Never has been and never will be. Survivor started off being aired in 2000 during the summer as was BBUS and was moved to fall/winter in its second season and there it's remained. BBUS wasn't moved and other than the writer's strike it has stayed in the summer. Do you not think if CBS thought it could command fall/winter ad rates for BBUS it wouldn't now move it and stick something else in its place? It wouldn't matter if it were a show about singing dogs. Or even back in the day when apparently you think my knowledge of this industry seems to have stalled? One of those shows are earning a hell of a lot more for both the network and its producers than the other. Any of the producers of the US summer shows you've mentioned would give their ear and probably an arm to move to fall/winter.
Thanks for the discussion.
tedfthis
OLD Member, Gold Coast
In this TV Guide, Channel 9 have Big Brother on from 8 10 p.m. to 8 40 p.m. next Friday. This is for the the Gold Coast in Qld, you can change it to your own region.
http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/fri/
I wonder if they will extend the programme and have Friday night games on, after The Block finishes? It would be a better way to determine the Head of House, because I dont think Jump-In has any credibility or accountability.
http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/fri/
I wonder if they will extend the programme and have Friday night games on, after The Block finishes? It would be a better way to determine the Head of House, because I dont think Jump-In has any credibility or accountability.
tedfthis
OLD Member, Gold Coast
Thanks for pointing that out about Thursday night, marquisite. I hadnt checked any other nights, because I knew both of the football grand finals had been played. But they have to squeeze out one more 2½ hour episode about bloody football, thats already finished. Give me strength. So, its on GO on Thursday night for Gold Coasters, others should check the TV guide too.
Can't we at least compare the ratings week by week to this season? It seems they are not holding their expected audience and they started higher than last year. Can we compare with last year?
I'm interested to see what an earlier timeslot brings if people haven't been watching. But maybe people will just watch whatever is on that channel?
How many channels do you get in Australia? Here it varies a lot by which cable package you have. I know more and more people who don't even use cable at all anymore. They watch everything online.
I'm interested to see what an earlier timeslot brings if people haven't been watching. But maybe people will just watch whatever is on that channel?
How many channels do you get in Australia? Here it varies a lot by which cable package you have. I know more and more people who don't even use cable at all anymore. They watch everything online.