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Mooseface
Little known member
Very true
And then Trump convinced the right that literally being nice to people was the wrong direction for the country. And all the MAGA bigots lapped it up and look where we are. I've even seen them literally blaming the left for where we find the US today. Being inclusive forced them into it. It's really because they are so fragile and want to go back to the time where the straight white patriarchy was in total control and everyone else (not just immigrants, POC, LGBTQI+ but even women) knew their place.
Can you imagine a world without MAGA?
Obama ramped up the drone program, even deliberately targeting and killing US citizens. He expanded the Middle East wars from two to seven countries. Some wars they are still fighting today. Human slavery came back in some of those places after the collapse of Governments. Under him it normalised the wars and the horrors of the Bush administration with good PR. He also started the Ukraine war when they did the Maidan coup.
Someone mentioned Clinton. He transformed the US economy to destroy the working class and set up the financial collapse of 2008. He corprotised the Democrats as the party of big business. He deliberately pointless bombed a pharmaceutical factory to distract from the media talking about how sexually abusing his position of power by getting interns to suck his dick. Which is said to have resulted in millions of preventable deaths. He also bombed Europe to they could get a military base in the Balkans. He was terrible.
They all are. The US is a horrible country and the pretence they're one election away from not being allows excuses for them.
Someone mentioned Clinton. He transformed the US economy to destroy the working class and set up the financial collapse of 2008. He corprotised the Democrats as the party of big business. He deliberately pointless bombed a pharmaceutical factory to distract from the media talking about how sexually abusing his position of power by getting interns to suck his dick. Which is said to have resulted in millions of preventable deaths. He also bombed Europe to they could get a military base in the Balkans. He was terrible.
They all are. The US is a horrible country and the pretence they're one election away from not being allows excuses for them.
Kingston
Canadian Royalty
I don’t think MAGA is a new phenomenon, it’s only made it ok to say the quite parts out loud and added a dash of fascism.
Kingston
Canadian Royalty
No one is saying they weren’t. You’ll notice when I said the Obama years looked “good” I said headed in a positive direction… At least socially. By no means do I think the US has been perfect. I’ve said for years now that Canada would be a much better place without them as a neighbour.
I was going to say the same. They were far from perfect times with their hawkish administrations, but from a societal POV it was a bit of a golden age for progress and acceptance and lifestyle.
Kingston
Canadian Royalty
Progress. It’s really unfortunate how much of a bad word it’s become for some people. So self absorbed that they can’t see how we all benefit from it.
To be honest sitting over the other side of the world and living in the country through any of these periods probably feels very different. We can now have social media as well as media to hear from people what it is like but with that comes a lot of variance. It would be interesting to see what the voices on social media would have been saying in the 90's (or for that matter the 70's with Carter, or the 80's with Reagan).
In the earlier part there'd have been no shortage of people hating that POC had more rights, gays were more accepted etc. The privileged whites who feel that that their rights are somehow diminished when they are extended to people from societal minorities. Even in this century we've seen people marching to stop marriage equality in various countries. These people have always existed but didn't have a megaphone to spout their nonsense. They were probably writing Letters to the Editor. I'm sure there must be polls and data out there that would tell the story about how people felt about social issues through those decades.
Kingston
Canadian Royalty
Exactly.
I look back at how sheltered and naive I was at that time but I remember watching carol and susan getting married on Friends and not realising how big that would actually have been. I just assumed gay people could marry cos why wouldn't they?
The story behind Friends' banned lesbian wedding episode, almost 28 years on
In January 1996, sitcom Friends released the episode "The One with the Lesbian Wedding", which was banned by several networks across the US.
www.thepinknews.com
I think a factor in the US was pre internet the networks, cinema and national media were mainly dominated by big left leaning states like California and NY so more progressive attitudes were prevalent until the early 2000s. Since social media became a thing, conservative views have become louder and it's fed a resurgence. And then Trump came along and emboldened everyone with a shitty view to scream it from the rooftops.
I kinda wish the US would break up into the northern Progressive States of America, and the southern Conservative States of America.
I kinda wish the US would break up into the northern Progressive States of America, and the southern Conservative States of America.
Dutton is such a dickhead - he obviously doesn't know the difference between a welcome to country and an acknowledgement of country, and if he doesn't know that much then he doesn't have enough knowledge to be speaking on the subject let alone making suggestions like this.
www.abc.net.au
The Welcome to Country was cancelled before the Storm vs Rabiitohs game
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article...aigning-against-welcomes-to-country/z67xs6cz1
Dutton suggests Anzac Day services should not involve Welcomes to Country
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton suggests Anzac Day dawn services should not involve Welcome to Country ceremonies and says most veterans do not support having them at the events.
www.abc.net.au
The Welcome to Country was cancelled before the Storm vs Rabiitohs game
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article...aigning-against-welcomes-to-country/z67xs6cz1
Meanwhile this is happening where I live.
www.nzherald.co.nz
NZ First vows action over Waitākere Ranges 'co-governance' plan
The Waitākere Ranges belong to all Aucklanders, says NZ First and Act.
www.nzherald.co.nz
I had to look at Wikipedia, and OMG it's unfathomable to me that ACT was down to 1% and was virtually wiped out and then in 2020 David Seymour's popularity brought them back from the brink and now they are literal coalition partners in a government. And worse still, the party was formed from ex-Labour MPs Roger Douglas and Richard Prebble. I'd completely forgotten about that. Jebus.Meanwhile this is happening where I live.
NZ First vows action over Waitākere Ranges 'co-governance' plan
The Waitākere Ranges belong to all Aucklanders, says NZ First and Act.
Haha yes I'm all over it! Cheers.
