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Are families a help or hindrance ?

@lefrancais I can read, thanks very much. I didn't agree with you making the analogy within this context because, like @Gemini, I feel it invites a whole other kind of commentary that is completely unrelated to the actual conversation and was put there simply to provoke an emotional response. It has nothing to do with gravity because an analogy is meant to draw comparison to something similar, not be completely incongruous.

I think perhaps you should stop attacking and mocking others for their opinion if you're going to be so verbose in defending people's right to express one.
 
lefrancais said:
I knew as soon as I posted it that people, @Insomniac, would only look at it on face value. If only people could read. I clearly said that the analogous comments were OBVIOUSLY of completely different gravities. I NEVER said that the sisters were like ISIS. In fact, I clearly didn't even mention the sisters when talking about ISIS. My whole POINT was that people form opinions of OTHERS from ASSOCIATION with their judgements of ideas.

I've seen some lovely things that his sisters have posted on here. I haven't seen anything on social media, but I haven't gone looking. No offence should be taken, because I made it clear that it was never saying the sisters were as bad as ISIS rather that humans have a psychological propensity to associate people by the actions of their comrades.

Maybe instead of attacking me for the analogy, which I (again) clearly disclaimed as not being analogous to the SISTERS, to HUMAN THOUGHT, you lot could actually tell me WHY she doesn't have a right to make this association?

"Prisus Christ" it's ridiculous how people attack others on here, WITHOUT considering what they've ACTUALLY said. Franky has a right to dislike David, because of any dislike she has PERSONALLY (of which I have no personal opinion) formed of his family. And just because other people would also do so, doesn't make it right! Another HUMAN propensity is to do what others around you do (like how people tend to yawn when others do so too, or perhaps have racist beliefs because they were brought up in a racist household), but does that make it right? No, not really. Again, I'm NOT saying that his sisters DID SO. Family members have a right to support their family in the House. And frankly, there are as many trolls/idiots on social media who do the same thing, regardless of AGE. My DAD's Facebook is a JOKE.

So again: people have a right to think whatever they want of a person, and it's only natural for them to form such an opinion in response to their opinions of other people associated with that person. Attack this line if you want, that's what MY POINT is. Don't go off and attack the previous shit, because you're just trying to point out the rotten cherries on a 10km wide pavlova (another analogy for you).
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I think maybe you should follow your own advice and learn to read because I clearly said in my post to you that I was aware that you were making the comparison as part of an analogy.

My point however is that there was absolutely no need to make that comparison to begin with. Your post was seriously leaving itself open for people to be offended even if that wasn't your intention. At the end of the day you had a HM's family and friend playing the same role in your analogy as ISIS...simply for defending their brother/friend against internet nasties.
 
I never took too much notice of David Reynolds.

With Tahan, one week I liked her the next disliked her etc.

If David is evicted I will be supporting Priya, (@Mrs Butterface has just fainted) but I will not be join the cult. :D
 
Gemini said:
I think maybe you should follow your own advice and learn to read because I clearly said in my post to you that I was aware that you were making the comparison as part of an analogy.

My point however is that there was absolutely no need to make that comparison to begin with. Your post was seriously leaving itself open for people to be offended even if that wasn't your intention. At the end of the day you had a HM's family and friend playing the same role in your analogy as ISIS.
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NO I DID NOT. I SAID that the ISIS analogy showed a HUMAN THOUGHT PROCESS. NOT ONCE did I ever say that the sisters went on some ISIS-like campaign. To the sisters: I'm sorry if you ever thought that, but the way I structured the sentences and paragraphs were meant to show that I did not compare YOU to ISIS but human thought in general.

I read what you wrote. And I am fully aware that you were aware that I meant no harm. BUT you were not at all AWARE of the actual analogy, because it had nothing to do with the SISTERS, but (AGAIN) the HUMAN THOUGHT PROCESS.

If people are trying to say I compared someone to ISIS on this forum, the closest would be @Frankyfurt and I'm sure she took it for what it was. I'm done with this argument. People can't say why Franky has no right to form this opinion by association, and I'm not going to have people attack me for something I CLEARLY did not say (regardless of whether they thought I said it)
 
Kaz said:
I never took too much notice of David Reynolds.

With Tahan, one week I liked her the next disliked her etc.

If David is evicted I will be supporting Priya, (@Mrs Butterface has just fainted) but I will not be join the cult. :D
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Well I'll be damned! *runs to window to see if pigs are flying*

I'm just waiting for the official membership papers to arrive from the Official Culty Cult Clan of Cultists to arrive and once they do, watch out sister as you'll be my first recruit!!
 
The only HM/HG family member I've ever paid attention to on twitter ect, was a BBUS husband. I liked his sense of humor and while it didn't make me like his wife any better, I thought she was lucky. I read twitter about as often as I get my haircut though. I guess family could make a difference in BBAU in a way they can't in BBUS. In general I either like or dislike housemates based on their own flaws and foibles and not their families. In BBUS I love Rachael from her first season onward, in the minority I know, and thought her sister had as much personality as dry toast.
 
Nobody said @Frankyfurt didn't have the right to have an opinion, I thought we were just debating differences of opinion, like we do all the time on the forum.
 
I think the whoolllle point of this is basically you just need to ignore the haters cos there will be some. Commenting back and getting offended won't help.
People change who they like from one week to another. So if someone calls out a fan of another housemate they may remember it. When skye leaves her fans may jump on the Ryan or Travis train. At this point in the game they all need as much votes as they can get so saying stuff to people on social media may stop people from converting
 
lefrancais said:
NO I DID NOT. I SAID that the ISIS analogy showed a HUMAN THOUGHT PROCESS. NOT ONCE did I ever say that the sisters went on some ISIS-like campaign. To the sisters: I'm sorry if you ever thought that, but the way I structured the sentences and paragraphs were meant to show that I did not compare YOU to ISIS but human thought in general.

I read what you wrote. And I am fully aware that you were aware that I meant no harm. BUT you were not at all AWARE of the actual analogy, because it had nothing to do with the SISTERS, but (AGAIN) the HUMAN THOUGHT PROCESS.

If people are trying to say I compared someone to ISIS on this forum, the closest would be @Frankyfurt and I'm sure she took it for what it was. I'm done with this argument. People can't say why Franky has no right to form this opinion by association, and I'm not going to have people attack me for something I CLEARLY did not say (regardless of whether they thought I said it)
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I understand you were trying to show the human thought process, I've never said otherwise. Your original analogy however reads to me like you're saying that people (e.g. Frankyfurt) will build up a negative association with David due to his sister's and friend's SM comments just as people build up certain negative associations with ISIS. Can you not understand why I (and others) think that drawing a comparison like that is incredibly risky and insensitive? Especially when we're discussing a sister and friend defending David against against internet nasties so bringing ISIS into the discussion at all is just completely irrelevant and OTT.
 
Frankyfurt said:
I think the whoolllle point of this is basically you just need to ignore the haters cos there will be some. Commenting back and getting offended won't help.
People change who they like from one week to another. So if someone calls out a fan of another housemate they may remember it. When skye leaves her fans may jump on the Ryan or Travis train. At this point in the game they all need as much votes as they can get so saying stuff to people on social media may stop people from converting
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And I do agree with you about trying to ignore the negative comments, I actually gave similar advice to David's sister. I know how difficult I would find it though. Oh my gosh, I could ignore comments about myself on there soooo much easier than if I saw someone saying nasty things about my son. I think I would need to count to 100000 not 10 before responding.
 
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Insomniac said:
And I do agree with you about trying to ignore the negative comnents, I actually gave similar advice to David's sister. I know how difficult I would find it though. Oh my gosh, I could ignore comments about myself on there soooo much easier than if I saw someone saying nasty things about my son. I think I would need to count to 100000 not 10 before responding.
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I'm def not attacking or hating on her but when I read some I was a bit taken aback. And it made me think of past housemates and how their supporters helped or didn't help them
 
Frankyfurt said:
Yeah ... It's made me not want to vote for him if priya leaves.

And instead of people commenting to me on twitter just say it here for gods sakes.

I'm entitled to my opinions.
And I saw a teenager getting attacked and then the comments were deleted.

Plus everyone that says anything bad about david on social media they question them.

People are going to say bad things. No need to waste time getting defensive . It makes you all look bad
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No family or friend's comments about their loved one in the house, on social media (whether they are a favourite of mine or someone I can't stand) is going to have any influence on my perception of that said housemate. I'll judge the housemates as I see them, good or bad.

My two cents worth.:p
 
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Insomniac said:
And I do agree with you about trying to ignore the negative comments, I actually gave similar advice to David's sister. I know how difficult I would find it though. Oh my gosh, I could ignore comments about myself on there soooo much easier than if I saw someone saying nasty things about my son. I think I would need to count to 100000 not 10 before responding.
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I'd lose my shit if it were about my son. I think I'd have to be one of those family members who leaves the running of their social media stuff to a close friend of his and I'd just provide them with pics and stories. You'd see me pop up on eviction nights (when they bothered to show us) but that'd be it. I can't even stand thinking about the fact there's a good chance some girl or boy is going to break his heart someday, let alone a bunch of randoms making judgments about him.
 
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