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Religious (or not) affiliation

Trala said:
After coming out of a fully blown heroin addiction I found God through doing the 12 Steps at NA. I was super duperly religious for about 6 years, did my first holy communion, worked as a volunteer in the church, became completely celibate (and I don't mean sell a bit here, or sell a bit there either) and devoted myself to God and motherhood. By the end of the 5th year I sort of felt it wasn't God making great things happen to me, it was me being pro active to change my life. I then started to believe and trust in myself more, sought educational opportunities to help with better career choices, my self esteem soared, and with that better jobs, happiness, love, better choices and self contentment came.

I think religion is a great thing. It gave me something to believe in when I was completely lost and it helped shape me to be the person (or cunt depending on who you talk to) I am today. I have nothing but respect for people of faith, I just don't happen to have one. I believe in me.
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Wow... Restecp.
 
Oh in answer to the actual question you've got another Catholic here although I'd call myself a lapsed one. And if I'm honest I probably wouldn't attend church at all were it not for the fact that family gatherings and church often overlap.
 
qtkt said:
@Jessy-girl the Jewish community would certainly consider you so. Judaism is different from other religions in that it is both a religion and a culture. And it is through the mother's line. So if your mother was born Jewish, you are considered Jewish as well whether you follow through with it or not. If your mother converted to Judaism, I'm a bit hazy on how that works.
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Just saying, even though only my dad was a Jew, I am considered a Jew. I have that way to guilt my kids into shit and I also eat chinese food on xmas day and I like candles.
 
jessy_girl said:
Oh nice to know. I feel bad really that I don't know much about this. I don't plan to ever have kids (aside from my gayby with mutley of course) but does that really mean any hypothetical child of mine would also be Jewish? That seems like such a strange thought, but it is nice all the same.

So, there you go @Kismet, let me reword my answer to say that I am Jewish :)
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Yeah it's a thing. Judaism as the cool thing about making it all about things going down the matriarchal line rather than the patriarchal. Makes one question the validity of christianity in my view, but that's a whole different can of worms, I guess (Jesus therefore would regardless of anything BE a Jew as there is no getting out of it..lol
 
jessy_girl said:
... does that really mean any hypothetical child of mine would also be Jewish? That seems like such a strange thought, but it is nice all the same.
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Yep. Doesn't necessarily come with obligations though. If your child wanted to become a practicing Jew, they would have lessons, etc but automatic acceptance. If my Christian child wanted to convert it would require much, much more learning and lots of testing. Acceptance would not be guaranteed.

Kismet said:
Just saying, even though only my dad was a Jew, I am considered a Jew. I have that way to guilt my kids into shit and I also eat chinese food on xmas day and I like candles.
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For sure @Kismet. The maternal pull is stronger, but the Jewish culture is very patriachal as well.

Kismet said:
Yeah it's a thing. Judaism as the cool thing about making it all about things going down the matriarchal line rather than the patriarchal. Makes one question the validity of christianity in my view, but that's a whole different can of worms, I guess (Jesus therefore would regardless of anything BE a Jew as there is no getting out of it..lol
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ABSOLUTELY, Jesus was a Jew. He died as a Jew. He was resurrected as a Jew in his eyes - just not accepted as the Messiah by the majority of Jews. For the first decades, there was no separate Christian church but a sect within Judaism. All Christians have Jewish roots and for that, I for one, am grateful.

How does the matriachal line being the important one make you question the validity of christianity?

Kismet said:
So you like wearing frocks?
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Yep, I have always worn frocks. - My male colleagues ae happy to wear them too. Actually, one of them absolutely loves the lacy ones we can (male or female) get now. lol
 
Kismet said:
I have found your sitch happen a lot. Many "low-ebb" conversions happen and you you are right when saying that religion can be a good thing for many. How was it for you with the fellow church members when you found your OWN strength in following through on the positives in your life? I ask as I can relate to taking a different path as I got older.
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The church changed my life. Having something to believe in gave me strength.

While I attended services, and prayed alot, I didn't mix with my fellow parisheners.

A Catholic nun became a mentor of sorts and was really the first person to ever see good in me and believe in me. And I think on reflection I just wanted to be like her and please her.

I have had a few people who have helped me forever change the direction of my life, for the better, Sr Mel being the first. The bible she gave me is one of my most treasured possessions (not counting my shoes, my car, my jewerly and my clothes... Ha!)
 
qtkt said:
Yep. Doesn't necessarily come with obligations though. If your child wanted to become a practicing Jew, they would have lessons, etc but automatic acceptance. If my Christian child wanted to convert it would require much, much more learning and lots of testing. Acceptance would not be guaranteed.


For sure @Kismet. The maternal pull is stronger, but the Jewish culture is very patriachal as well.
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I have never found that to be the case and in fact what mum says, goes. It goes along the lines with Jewish family units, happy wife happy life.



ABSOLUTELY, Jesus was a Jew. He died as a Jew. He was resurrected as a Jew in his eyes - just not accepted as the Messiah by the majority of Jews. For the first decades, there was no separate Christian church but a sect within Judaism. All Christians have Jewish roots and for that, I for one, am grateful.
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I don't know if that is the case as the majority of christian teachings tend to rely on the words of Paul over that of Jesus of Nazareth who BTW never left any personally penned offering for anyone to know exactly what he was allegedly about. All writings even relating to "him" were assumed second or third hand accounts at best. Other than that,do you personally perceive him(Jesus of Nazareth) as having been Sadducee, Essene or Pharisee?

How does the matriachal line being the important one make you question the validity of christianity?
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Well his mother as is dictated was a Jew. His "father" was the god model purely at the time of Judaism. That "god" clearly chose a female Jew as the vessel for his worldly offering so would that NOT have been of major importance to that God? If the OT or even the Pentateuch is indicative, the jewish "god" clearly loathed ANY other religion hence his clear disdain for Molech and Ashtoreth and Baal worship. Paul it is clear brought Hellenistic/Pagan influences into his claimed "insight" hence Christianity observing their own special brand OF Hellenistic and Pagan worship.


Yep, I have always worn frocks. - My male colleagues ae happy to wear them too. Actually, one of them absolutely loves the lacy ones we can (male or female) get now. lol
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I hope it's good quality lace because the polyester stuff can cause chaffing.

I should let you know at this point I studied for 10 yrs with Morling College and took 18 months of that time for immersion work in Israel to even start to get my head around Hebrew and also study the DSS.
 
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