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Rolf Harris is more trusted than the Corby sisters. Oh come on how the hell did that happen? At least pot has some medicinal use unlike kiddy fiddling. I can't even figure out how he made it into the top 100. Who the hell is filing this survey out? And after everything that has come to light are there really people out there who think he is innocent?

http://mumbrella.com.au/journalists...handlers-reveals-readers-digest-survey-232982
 
Rolf Harris is more trusted than the Corby sisters. Oh come on how the hell did that happen? At least pot has some medicinal use unlike kiddy fiddling. I can't even figure out how he made it into the top 100. Who the hell is filing this survey out? And after everything that has come to light are there really people out there who think he is innocent?

http://mumbrella.com.au/journalists...handlers-reveals-readers-digest-survey-232982

I know! Surely smoking a bit of dope is normal when you're young. I know selling drugs is another thing entirely, but it was only grass. Rolf Harris used his fame and being an adult to take advantage of children, which is utterly disgraceful and yet he is rated at 90 and Shappelle is 99?

And how on earth did Tony Abbott get off so lightly? Only 79? I love that George Pell is 94 and Gina Rinehart is 93. Talk about splitting hairs.

Hugh Jackman is number 5. Pffft. He can sing, he works out. He also goes hunting. :vomit:
 
So - have you noticed the WEED campaign has begun???

How do you feel about weed legalisation? It's coming.
They have begun the same campaign that has worked successfully in the USA.

It begins with the medical sob stories.

2nd is the normalisation process - ie educating people who never dared to try anything for fun, they never even spun around as kids, limited imaginations/minds so it is a hard task.

Normalisation is taking away the taboo-ness/black market criminal/nasty thing.

USA used a lot of adds with kids/teens - showing how the pot smokers made it home safe and the drinkers end up dead or in prison.
There is an awesome one, with the kid at college, writing home to Mom & Pop, about how they can't handle the drunks and the drinking scene at college, but do occasionally have a bit of weed to relax.

So what is your opinion on weed laws?
I am all for legalising it totally.

I also think they should consider legal heroin programs for addicts - they work better than methadone; some kind of system for regulating rave/dance drugs.
War on drugs - drugs won. And the whole thing was insane & based around USA international treaties, now lapsed so surprise hey lets make money!
Now we have to deal with post war more intelligently than following old ideas from fools who started drug wars.

So it has begun - how do you feel about legalisation?
People are going to make a lot of money, and I predict it could take as little as 5 years now - what business can I set up?
 
So - have you noticed the WEED campaign has begun???

Did someone watch Foreign Correspondent last week?

I don't necessarily care if it becomes legal or not. However I would love to know where the anti-tobacco laws fit in with this.

Do all the restrictions on advertising translate across or not?

This is a big one, because one has to assume that the tobacco industry is behind the push for pot. Trying to adapt because in the West they have lost the war with cigarettes. So they are pushing for POT which may get around a bunch of the anti-smoking laws and they are also pushing for it to be normalized behaviour.

The big issue is, will this simply be a case where 10, 20, 50 years down the track we will then have the evidence to definitively prove it's adverse health effects? If you ever read up, there's so many conflicting studies and claims. It's hard to definitively say at the moment due to the illegal nature. Also due to the fact it's often hard to separate out pot smokers from normal smokers. We know if has more tar than tobacco. It's still burning and ingesting into the lungs.

How often do we hear the, 'it's safe.' There's a heavy amount of the naturalistic logical fallacy going on here. 'It's more natural.' Which is just nonsense.

Then there's the dangers of THC. Which does have affects on the brain. Once again, this is something where we need more research and do you really want to risk finding out all the nasty effects after it's been legal and normalized for decades. We know when teens have it, it alters their brain chemistry and leads to problems. We know that it can be devastating with people with underlying psychiatric problems. Triggering and making worse. Add on top of this that the strength and amount of THC is now higher than ever and most of the research was from much lower doses.

It's potentially a ticking time bomb. We don't know it's safe. There's a lot to suggest it's definitely not.

When it comes to medicine, well we know there is some use but most of the arguments are really just people thinking they are clever and trying to bullshit. Look at California where you can get a weed card for anything. 'Oh I sometimes get stressed,' 'here sir, you can now buy pot.'


In theory I am not really concerned if it's legal or not. However there just is something sinister behind the push. The research and science to show it is safe is basically not there. What kind of problems will this open up down the line? There's just a lot of clear bullshit and misinformation out there claiming it is fine.

if the make it legal, it should definitely have all the same restrictions as cigarettes and there needs to be part of the tax on it going into rigorous medical studies from the get go. Not waiting until the effects are undeniable.
 
Did someone watch Foreign Correspondent last week?

I don't necessarily care if it becomes legal or not. However I would love to know where the anti-tobacco laws fit in with this.

Do all the restrictions on advertising translate across or not?

This is a big one, because one has to assume that the tobacco industry is behind the push for pot. Trying to adapt because in the West they have lost the war with cigarettes. So they are pushing for POT which may get around a bunch of the anti-smoking laws and they are also pushing for it to be normalized behaviour.

The big issue is, will this simply be a case where 10, 20, 50 years down the track we will then have the evidence to definitively prove it's adverse health effects? If you ever read up, there's so many conflicting studies and claims. It's hard to definitively say at the moment due to the illegal nature. Also due to the fact it's often hard to separate out pot smokers from normal smokers. We know if has more tar than tobacco. It's still burning and ingesting into the lungs.

How often do we hear the, 'it's safe.' There's a heavy amount of the naturalistic logical fallacy going on here. 'It's more natural.' Which is just nonsense.

Then there's the dangers of THC. Which does have affects on the brain. Once again, this is something where we need more research and do you really want to risk finding out all the nasty effects after it's been legal and normalized for decades. We know when teens have it, it alters their brain chemistry and leads to problems. We know that it can be devastating with people with underlying psychiatric problems. Triggering and making worse. Add on top of this that the strength and amount of THC is now higher than ever and most of the research was from much lower doses.

It's potentially a ticking time bomb. We don't know it's safe. There's a lot to suggest it's definitely not.

When it comes to medicine, well we know there is some use but most of the arguments are really just people thinking they are clever and trying to bullshit. Look at California where you can get a weed card for anything. 'Oh I sometimes get stressed,' 'here sir, you can now buy pot.'


In theory I am not really concerned if it's legal or not. However there just is something sinister behind the push. The research and science to show it is safe is basically not there. What kind of problems will this open up down the line? There's just a lot of clear bullshit and misinformation out there claiming it is fine.

if the make it legal, it should definitely have all the same restrictions as cigarettes and there needs to be part of the tax on it going into rigorous medical studies from the get go. Not waiting until the effects are undeniable.


Oh holy crap, you just made me realise where I can make my mega bucks - my cousins farms.

They used to grow tobacco, they converted to wine and beef long time ago - after made squillions and baccy died decades ago with chop chop.

Anyway, issues you raise - smoking, THC strength, research, long term effects.

1. Smoking - weed does not need to be smoked.
In fact there are numerous methods of getting a buzz that would be more available if the stuff was legal.
IE vaporisers/eating/drinking the THC - all more difficult because it is illegal.
You need large amounts to make food or drink - too expensive not viable whilst illegal; vaporisers - well like you most don't know there are other and more pleasant ways to ingest, and these things are not readily available. I only heard of them last year.

2. THC strength, still don't believe most of the bullshit they are throwing around about this.
Still have never encountered a weed as strong as those my brother was smoking when I was 15.
It is bullshit - you don't think the Indians & Afghanis discovered how to increase potency over thousands of years?

I think it could be the chemicals and fertilizers used in hydro that may have adverse effects on somebody's system.

If legal you can regulate the strengths anyway.

3. Research
Humans have been using it for centuries, as far as we know nobody has ever died of weed - such as they do from alcohol and tobacco etc.

I would prefer laws here that allowed individuals to grow a little for their own use, and have a very small medical industry.
What is happening in the USA is a bit scary.

Funny fact, for years many of the local tags for weed have been registered business names waiting for the day - like Mullumbimby Madness.

Oh and what was Foreign Correspondent about? I didn't catch it - going to web search now.
 
IF weed is ever legalised in this country the first thing I'm going to do is buy a vaporiser, I've always wanted to try it and actually have not smoked pot in about 3 years, because I could only smoke it and got scared it was harming my lungs.
What I would like is to go into a shop that has people who are knowledgeable in all things pot, help me pick out the strain I want to buy, give me information on how much THC and CBC are in it, tell what I can expect from it.

I think 5 years is a little to optimistic, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 
I think 5 years is a little to optimistic, we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Will speed the process.

I also thought about 5 being too short, but the rapid change in the USA - once it took hold, all those dollars are irresistible- well it could happen pretty quickly.
And well we now have the generations in power who know the drug war is bullshit and they all smoked pot at Uni, many probably still do.
There are no real old codgers left are there???
 
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Will speed the process.

I also thought about 5 being too short, but the rapid change in the USA - once it took hold, all those dollars are irresistible- well it could happen pretty quickly.
And well we now have the generations in power who know the drug war is bullshit and they all smoked pot at Uni, many probably still do.
There are no real old codgers left are there???

Chronological age might not be an indicator, but I reckon Tony Abbott and his cabinet are all old codgers; at the very least their ideas have been around since the 1950's.
 
Oh holy crap, you just made me realise where I can make my mega bucks - my cousins farms.

They used to grow tobacco, they converted to wine and beef long time ago - after made squillions and baccy died decades ago with chop chop.

Go for it, but you'll be locked out as those giving donations and funding the push will be the ones who get permission to grow.


Anyway, issues you raise - smoking, THC strength, research, long term effects.

1. Smoking - weed does not need to be smoked.
In fact there are numerous methods of getting a buzz that would be more available if the stuff was legal.
IE vaporisers/eating/drinking the THC - all more difficult because it is illegal.
You need large amounts to make food or drink - too expensive not viable whilst illegal; vaporisers - well like you most don't know there are other and more pleasant ways to ingest, and these things are not readily available. I only heard of them last year.

Yes Weed doesn't need to be smoked. Neither does tobacco and other forms of taking it still have health risks. It's a bit, 'what if' with pot.

2. THC strength, still don't believe most of the bullshit they are throwing around about this.
Still have never encountered a weed as strong as those my brother was smoking when I was 15.
It is bullshit - you don't think the Indians & Afghanis discovered how to increase potency over thousands of years?

I think it could be the chemicals and fertilizers used in hydro that may have adverse effects on somebody's system.

If legal you can regulate the strengths anyway.

Well despite what you think, it is getting stronger. They've done research on weed confiscated by law enforcement over many decades. With it becoming legal, there is more refined products available. This does make it uncharted territory. While there's many conflicting reports, evidence does point to it having effects on the brain. Do we want to risk 10, 20 years later finding out what this stronger THC may do?

There is information out there pointing to this increase in potency increasing people getting pysch problems and emergency room visits. As well as increasing the addictive potential.

An anecdote from when you are 15 is meaningless. If it's the strongest high you've had, it probably has something to do tolerance more than anything else.


3. Research
Humans have been using it for centuries, as far as we know nobody has ever died of weed - such as they do from alcohol and tobacco etc.

I would prefer laws here that allowed individuals to grow a little for their own use, and have a very small medical industry.
What is happening in the USA is a bit scary.

Funny fact, for years many of the local tags for weed have been registered business names waiting for the day - like Mullumbimby Madness.

Oh and what was Foreign Correspondent about? I didn't catch it - going to web search now.


Naturalistic Logical Fallacy and an appeal to tradition / antiquity.

The whole, weed doesn't kill is pretty much based on the fact you can't overdose and die from it (overdoses is more common now due to increased THC). This not overdosing and dying however is completely separate from if it can lead to things which kill you. Smoking tobacco doesn't kill you, but lung cancer will. Weed has much more tar and carcinogens than tobacco. So it can kill you from lung cancer. As I mentioned previously, it however is pretty hard to separate the two from users.

Yes as you've mentioned, you don't have to smoke it.

Using bongs is meant to have a similar amount of tar.

Vaporizers are only really theorized to be safer. However the release of ammonia is not with out health problems. Once again this needs more research but the early signs aren't that it is fine for you.

Eating is also somewhere that the research isn't there, but makes over dosing more possible.


So yeah, it is not a harmless substance and frankly we need more research but the early signs aren't pointing to it being with out challenges.

As I said, I don't really care if it's legal. I just think there's an over simplification and misunderstanding that it's safer than it is. The same way people argued smoking was safe for so long.
 
Alcohol is legal and we all know how over indulging in that particular drug is bad. People die when they detox from the bloody stuff. There are plenty of harmful drugs that are legal and people still consume them. Yes in 20 years time we might get some hardcore evidence that weed is really bad for you, but as long as alcohol and tobacco are legal why not just add another one which atm appears to be less harmful.
 
More, in the legalise weed campaign- told you so, watch it speed up here, as we are no where near as uptight or fake or fake religious as Americans.

Watch as our atheist, weed smoking former or current, pollies of that druggie generation dominate.

There are also a growing part of the population disgusted with alcohol. And their alcoholic parents/relos/whatever. I know the alcoholics in my family have totally changed how I view alcohol, repulses me mostly now.

Celebrities normalise pot, Will Anderson no 1



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Funnyman Wil Anderson is an avid weed smoker and to prove it, he did so on a YouTube video that has garnered thousands of hits.
'I started smoking it medicinally. I went to the doctor. I have chronic pain. I have a thing called osteoarthritis in my hips... It's a thing that 50 per cent of people over 70 have.

'So I went to the doctor and he said the best thing for it is to smoke medical marijuana and I was like, "What is this?"'


'As an Australian, I feel like I just either visited the future where I have done this publicly or I’ve provided evidence for my trial... Either way I was happy to be involved with it,' he laughed.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ws-says-medicinal-purposes.html#ixzz365kosF00
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Can you already get scripts for weed????

And watch next - target will be all the booze violence, get ya kids off booze & stop the killing/street brawling/attacks.
Then the road....
 

Update: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4036355.htm

"
how reliable was this story?

And why were there no pictures of the bodies?

Had good taste for once prevailed?

Well no. You see no babies had been found.

Nor indeed had the septic tank.

Oh yes, and did we forget to tell you that those 796 children died of natural causes?

With Measles, Influenza, pneumonia, TB and whooping cough topping the list."

...

So why did the media fall for it?

As Dublin City University’s professor of journalism Steven Knowlton put it in Crikey :


For several years now, Ireland has been rocked by scandal after scandal involving the abuse of children — the mass grave-in-a-septic-tank fits the narrative.

— Crikey, 13th June, 2014

In other words it matched our prejudices.

And it made such great headlines, it was really too good to check.

And who cared if it suggested those nuns were mass murderers?"

regarDS
 
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