Jade 2013 Appreciation thread

[Mrs Butterface]

The thing is though she DID back off a fair bit after Surly got in her ear. After that though all of Ed's friends that were telling him not to go there were gradually evicted and he started getting closer to her and giving her more and more signs that he was keen. Surly told Jade that she should play it cool for a bit and he'd show more interest. She did play it cool for a bit and Ed started showing more interest in her. I think it's because the likes of Heidi and that were gone but still Jade took his increased interest in her a sign and went with it. I don't think it's fair to cut her to pieces for not following Surly's advice when she did for quite a long time and only became more obsessive over Ed once he started to show more and more interest in her.

I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree because I definitely don't remember any point after that where she played it cool. Not once. I kept hoping she would but it just didn't happen (in my eyes) and that was the start of my going from complete Jade lover to indifference to now not caring if she left the house tomorrow.

 

[Jane Doe]

It's also crazy to think that she would have been better off with Drew, the guy who says he "dodged a bullet" and has talked crap about her for a long while now. He also LOVED the emotionally manipulative mind games he and Tully engaged in. Why would Jade have been better off with that? I think if Jade had remained interested in Drew, Tully would have not stopped at trying to separate them, throwing Jade into some chaotic miasma of emotional toxicity. Drew would have still been drawn to Tully's emotional outbursts, and Jade would have been left trying to sort it all out. Drew considers himself a social chameleon, which means he mimics the behavior of those around him. We've seen how he becomes a different person around Tim, Tully, Jade, and even Ed. Tully loves that crap, because she can dictate to him HOW he needs to behave, but Jade would have just gone crazy trying to sort out all the different Drews. In fact, it's still clearly eating at her.

Other than not wanting a relationship outside the house (something he hasn't lied about), since they became close, Ed has treated Jade pretty well. He's as supportive and caring as it's possible for him to be. In a strange way, the distance he maintains from her has actually been good for her in terms of her remaining a separate individuality from him, unlike Tully and Drew, who didn't seem to be able to exist as separate units. I still think he's a bit of a marble mouthed, self-centered jerk, but I think he's offered Jade as much as he's capable of offering, and it's been helpful to her in many ways, so I don't know that she necessarily made "the wrong choice".

 

[:pp]

Agreed Mrs B.

It's only the other's behaviour (Tim's interest), Drew's jealousy after Tully left, that have pushed Ed further than where he wanted to be, which is cuddle buddy (fuck buddy without the shag).

Her behaviour has been consistent and unfortunately needy. She's predisposed to insecurity. Tahan for instance would never put up with that shit. Lucy neither.

 

[Gemini]

I guess that's where we'll have to agree to disagree because I definitely don't remember any point after that where she played it cool. Not once. I kept hoping she would but it just didn't happen (in my eyes) and that was the start of my going from complete Jade lover to indifference to now not caring if she left the house tomorrow.

Instead of saying "play it cool" I should have said that it was obvious to me at least that she backed off a fair bit. Whether that was from advice from Surly or the fact that Ed was acting a lot less interested in her than he is now I don't know. I mean obviously the attraction was always there but by Jade's standards I certainly think she backed off a bit. She wasn't as obsessive over Ed during this time as she was at the start of the show or as she is now with him.

 

[:pp]

It's also crazy to think that she would have been better off with Drew, the guy who says he "dodged a bullet" and has talked crap about her for a long while now. He also LOVED the emotionally manipulative mind games he and Tully engaged in. Why would Jade have been better off with that? I think if Jade had remained interested in Drew, Tully would have not stopped at trying to separate them, throwing Jade into some chaotic miasma of emotional toxicity. Drew would have still been drawn to Tully's emotional outbursts, and Jade would have been left trying to sort it all out. Drew considers himself a social chameleon, which means he mimics the behavior of those around him. We've seen how he becomes a different person around Tim, Tully, Jade, and even Ed. Tully loves that crap, because she can dictate to him HOW he needs to behave, but Jade would have just gone crazy trying to sort out all the different Drews. In fact, it's still clearly eating at her.

Other than not wanting a relationship outside the house (something he hasn't lied about), since they became close, Ed has treated Jade pretty well. He's as supportive and caring as it's possible for him to be. In a strange way, the distance he maintains from her has actually been good for her in terms of her remaining a separate individuality from him, unlike Tully and Drew, who didn't seem to be able to exist as separate units. I still think he's a bit of a marble mouthed, self-centered jerk, but I think he's offered Jade as much as he's capable of offering, and it's been helpful to her in many ways, so I don't know that she necessarily made "the wrong choice".

Good argument there

 

[Gemini]

It's also crazy to think that she would have been better off with Drew, the guy who says he "dodged a bullet" and has talked crap about her for a long while now. He also LOVED the emotionally manipulative mind games he and Tully engaged in. Why would Jade have been better off with that? I think if Jade had remained interested in Drew, Tully would have not stopped at trying to separate them, throwing Jade into some chaotic miasma of emotional toxicity. Drew would have still been drawn to Tully's emotional outbursts, and Jade would have been left trying to sort it all out. Drew considers himself a social chameleon, which means he mimics the behavior of those around him. We've seen how he becomes a different person around Tim, Tully, Jade, and even Ed. Tully loves that crap, because she can dictate to him HOW he needs to behave, but Jade would have just gone crazy trying to sort out all the different Drews. In fact, it's still clearly eating at her.

Other than not wanting a relationship outside the house (something he hasn't lied about), since they became close, Ed has treated Jade pretty well. He's as supportive and caring as it's possible for him to be. In a strange way, the distance he maintains from her has actually been good for her in terms of her remaining a separate individuality from him, unlike Tully and Drew, who didn't seem to be able to exist as separate units. I still think he's a bit of a marble mouthed, self-centered jerk, but I think he's offered Jade as much as he's capable of offering, and it's been helpful to her in many ways, so I don't know that she necessarily made "the wrong choice".

Yeah, absolutely. I don't like JadEd at all, but I don't think for a second she would have been any better off with Drew. For all his talk that he dodged a bullet, in hindsight I think that was actually Jade. I mean at the start I would have loved for them to stay together because they were freaking cute and I think Jade brought out a good side in him (hence his incredible popularity at the start), but hindsight is a wonderful thing and knowing what we do know about their respective personalities, Tully's Drew obsession and Jade's insecurities it would have been a bigger mess than we're seeing now.

 

[hawke]

A lot of insightful thoughts on the situation.
I re-watched the last bit when they were in bed and she said she wanted to keep him. He heard her because he raised his head eyes wide open and looked at her. snuggled back down and it was when she said - I know you don't want to hear it - was when he said - what.

 

[Jane Doe]

I do think Jade is predisposed to insecurity, but I don't think she's necessarily needy, at least not classically needy. I don't see her running around begging for attention and compliments. I think she wants to find a prince charming and live happily ever after, but so do most women who have been unfortunately socialized to believe that being alone is the worst thing that can happen to you. If she had been willing to settle for Drew or even Tim just to have security and emotional support in the house, I would consider her needy. But for whatever unfortunate reason, she has decided that Ed is what she wants and she's focused on getting that. The fact that her persistence has yielded benefits makes it more difficult for her to see her errors in the relationship, and how it is being perceived from the outside, no matter what tricks they played on her with the intruders and with the date.

 

[Rom]

I wonder if Ed will actually go tonight. I hope so. Him or Drew. I can't wait to see what Jade is like away from Ed; I'm just a teeny bit worried about how she'll take the news if he does go. It'll be for the best overall, though. I can't help feel the Ed stuff is really stifling her potential as a housemate, but feeding his. But will he go, though? Surely next week if not this...

 

[:pp]

I do think Jade is predisposed to insecurity, but not like I don't think she's necessarily needy, at least not classically needy. I don't see her running around begging for attention and compliments. I think she wants to find a prince charming and live happily ever after, but so do most women who have been unfortunately socialized to believe that being alone is the worst thing that can happen to you. If she had been willing to settle for Drew or even Tim just to have security and emotional support in the house, I would consider her needy. But for whatever unfortunate reason, she has decided that Ed is what she wants and she's focused on getting that. The fact that her persistence has yielded benefits makes it more difficult for her to see her errors in the relationship, and how it is being perceived from the outside, no matter what tricks they played on her with the intruders and with the date.

Jane, yes needy has stronger connotations methinks than what I meant. Needy for security but not generalist needy personality.

I believe it stems from her poverty and perhaps her father leaving. The abandonment. Her mother's situation was dire. There were very poor and had to work nights after school until 11:30pm and on weekends. She mentioned casually, not for effect, that when there was NO FOOD they went to her grandmothers for a meal.

She has dyslexia and performed very poorly at school. She must have been so exhausted.

She is self-reliant inasmuchas she says she "always has money" now. She is terrified of poverty and will do anything not to go through that struggle again.

If she can marry into money, alls the better. I have alot of Italian friends and marrying into money is not considered distasteful/gold digging. Both genders I must say. Chaps looking for rich women too.

 

[Gemini]

I wonder if Ed will actually go tonight. I hope so. Him or Drew. I can't wait to see what Jade is like away from Ed; I'm just a teeny bit worried about how she'll take the news if he does go. It'll be for the best overall, though. I can't help feel the Ed stuff is really stifling her potential as a housemate, but feeding his. But will he go, though? Surely next week if not this...

I really hope he goes, but I'm also very worried about how Jade will take it. I'm expecting a breakdown that would make Tully proud followed by her doing a Drew and going off the grid upset and unsure of herself for a few days. I certainly hope she bounces back, but honestly I'm at the stage where I'm so bored with JadEd (like I was Drully) that I would prefer to see Jade upset than have to sit through anymore of it. I think it will be better for her in the long run. I think the more times she's away from him the better chance she'll have of getting over him.

 

[Insomniac]

I think that Ed provides her comfort in the house, and gives her something to focus her affection on. Especially within the last week or so where I find her questioning the motives of others.
I still maintain that she's head over heels with the 'idea' of what he represents - someone stable, someone into family, someone who will look after her. I don't think Ed in reality is these things.
Like Tim said, she has baggage (don't we all!!) - her father and mother separating with him in another country, boyfriend cheating on her. She's looking for someone who'll want her.
Logically she knows that the likelihood of the closeness that she feels in the house won't translate out of it, but she still hopes in her heart.

As an emotional person myself, I find it hard to understand others who write her off because of this - when all it is is her wanting someone to want her, and showing vulnerability. I'm not some young naive person thinking that this is some fairytale romance, I don't think it'll last outside at all and I don't like Ed or his family, however all the reasons I like Jade are still there. She's still by far my favourite. I can't see her winning but I know that I'd much prefer others to go before her.

 

[Rom]

I really hope he goes, but I'm also very worried about how Jade will take it. I'm expecting a breakdown that would make Tully proud followed by her doing a Drew and going off the grid upset and unsure of herself for a few days. I certainly hope she bounces back, but honestly I'm at the stage where I'm so bored with JadEd (like I was Drully) that I would prefer to see Jade upset than have to sit through anymore of it. I think it will be better for her in the long run. I think the more times she's away from him the better chance she'll have of getting over him.

Yeah, same. I think she's totally entitled to take it badly on impact, and I'm sure most people will understand if she's very upset in the immediate aftermath, I just hope hope hope she doesn't dwell on it too much in the coming weeks, and doesn't let the question of what he's doing on the outside and what awaits her there loom over her for the rest of her stay. He's already tainted so much of her experience in my eyes that I'd hate to see her let him do the same after he has left.

I really do think it'll be positive overall, though. She can be quite stoic when she has to be, and I'd like to think that once the dust settles it'll settle on the realisation that there's so so so so much more in there for her than bloody Ed. He's such a tedious charisma vacuum that I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if a week down the line she found she didn't miss his company much at all. Like [MENTION=31088]Insomniac[/MENTION] says, he doesn't actually deserve a tenth of the credit she gives him. She's so invested in the idea of him that she can't see the dreary actuality. I'll leave it at that though or I'll be ranting all day!!

 

[Peverell]

How different could things be out of the house? Gee it's not like they'll turn into llamas once they get out if there. Ed focuses more on evading the connection than anything else. If he put half that much effort on it, he wouldn't come out as such a tryhard.

He doesn't deserve her, I tweeted this to her dad and him along with 4 others retweeted it. If only she knew...

 

[Gemini]

Yeah, same. I think she's totally entitled to take it badly on impact, and I'm sure most people will understand if she's very upset in the immediate aftermath, I just hope hope hope she doesn't dwell on it too much in the coming weeks, and doesn't let the question of what he's doing on the outside and what awaits her there loom over her for the rest of her stay. He's already tainted so much of her experience in my eyes that I'd hate to see her let him do the same after he has left.

I really do think it'll be positive overall, though. She can be quite stoic when she has to be, and I'd like to think that once the dust settles it'll settle on the realisation that there's so so so so much more in there for her than bloody Ed. He's such a tedious charisma vacuum that I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if a week down the line she found she didn't miss his company much at all. Like [MENTION=31088]Insomniac[/MENTION] says, he doesn't actually deserve a tenth of the credit she gives him. She's so invested in the idea of him that she can't see the dreary actuality. I'll leave it at that though or I'll be ranting all day!!

"Tedious charisma vacuum"...Yes! I think you've nailed it. That's exactly what he is. I actually think Jade comes across as fun person, but unfortunately we only get to see it when she's completely out of Ed's proximity. I think she's so intent on coming across as "perfect" to him that she actually stifles herself when she's around him because she's scared of coming across in a way that boring and sensible self-righteous Ed wouldn't approve of.

It's gotten to the stage where I would prefer him out and risk Jade being so miserable she ends up getting evicted than it going on like it is now. I actually think Ed is a nice guy (with perhaps poor motives) but he really does suck the life out of everyone. Not just Jade either. He just seems to make everything dull no matter who he's talking to.

I'm hoping merely Ed being evicted might get the stars out of her eyes a bit. She might see that Mr. Perfect really isn't as great as they make him out to be in the house.

I'm just praying that he goes. I'm not confident at all.

 

[Jane Doe]

I actually think that Jade is prepared for Ed to go tonight, as much as she doesn't want it to happen and hopes she's wrong. She knows that Tim nominated Drew and Ed and she considers Tim the house mastermind so she thinks it's between the two of them. Tim has talked to her about "keeping Ed in the game", alluding to some reason that wasn't clarified, but Jade knows she can't trust him. Of course, I think Tim really DOES want Drew to go this week, but I don't think it's happening and Tim will be happy to gloat about Ed being his target all along.

So, the eviction isn't going to be a complete blindside and Jade will cry, of course, and everyone will hover around in sympathy, but I think she'll be mostly fine, not wailing and sobbing. That's just not her. What I do think will make or break her ability to bounce back is what he puts in his good-bye message. I'm not really sure what will be good or bad, because Jade can zig when you think she'll zag. If he's all "Bye, Jade, have a nice life" I can see her totally stuffing everything down and putting on a stoic face, saying, "Well, he never promised anything" so the others don't know how hurt she is, or going the other direction and dwelling on it incessantly until everyone and their mother (well mainly Mikkayla and Madeline, because that's who she'll talk to) wants to go deaf rather than hear any more about it. Same with if the guy suddenly has some kind of emotional moment (or a brain aneurysm, same thing) and starts talking about their future. She'll either be so happy she'll be bouncing around the house, or desperate to leave to keep him from changing his mind.

Keep in mind, the brushoff is about 99.9% likely to occur, so we should all be checking the live feeds to see her response.

 

[:pp]

I actually think that Jade is prepared for Ed to go tonight, as much as she doesn't want it to happen and hopes she's wrong. She knows that Tim nominated Drew and Ed and she considers Tim the house mastermind so she thinks it's between the two of them. Tim has talked to her about "keeping Ed in the game", alluding to some reason that wasn't clarified, but Jade knows she can't trust him. Of course, I think Tim really DOES want Drew to go this week, but I don't think it's happening and Tim will be happy to gloat about Ed being his target all along.

So, the eviction isn't going to be a complete blindside and Jade will cry, of course, and everyone will hover around in sympathy, but I think she'll be mostly fine, not wailing and sobbing. That's just not her. What I do think will make or break her ability to bounce back is what he puts in his good-bye message. I'm not really sure what will be good or bad, because Jade can zig when you think she'll zag. If he's all "Bye, Jade, have a nice life" I can see her totally stuffing everything down and putting on a stoic face, saying, "Well, he never promised anything" so the others don't know how hurt she is, or going the other direction and dwelling on it incessantly until everyone and their mother (well mainly Mikkayla and Madeline, because that's who she'll talk to) wants to go deaf rather than hear any more about it. Same with if the guy suddenly has some kind of emotional moment (or a brain aneurysm, same thing) and starts talking about their future. She'll either be so happy she'll be bouncing around the house, or desperate to leave to keep him from changing his mind.

Keep in mind, the brushoff is about 99.9% likely to occur, so we should all be checking the live feeds to see her response.

I'm such a fan of you Jane. Very astute.

As I said in the Tully thread, I think perhaps my fear of Drully is fuelling my fantasy of Drade.

 

[Insomniac]

How different could things be out of the house? Gee it's not like they'll turn into llamas once they get out if there. Ed focuses more on evading the connection than anything else. If he put half that much effort on it, he wouldn't come out as such a tryhard.

He doesn't deserve her, I tweeted this to her dad and him along with 4 others retweeted it. If only she knew...

I think because they won't have the environment of being around each other 24/7 and he also thinks that he can't express himself freely in the house (I won't even go on about his communication skills).
To be honest, in my experience, a relationship benefits just as much from 'space' as it does being around someone. I'd want to stab my husband if he was around me 24/7 (sorry if that offends people!!).
As far as Jade goes, she went into the house in a position where she was dissatisfied about the direction she was heading - she was disillusioned about her job, she was disillusioned about men, and she's searching for a new direction, and someone to share that with. I think she'll be so surprised when she gets out all the opportunities that will open up for her.
She doesn't need Ed as dead weight anyway..

 

[Melore]

Jade won't give up on her fantasy of Ed and her until she sees a montage of everything he's said regarding her, behind her back. eg She's not my type; I like 'exotic' girls; I'd probably sleep with her if I met her in a nightclub, but I wouldn't go out with her.

He's managed to be fairly firm on all of this, behind her back. Mummy issues, obviously, but I also found it interesting that he revved up his mixed messages/(dis)interest in her and allowed if not pursued a more active physical closeness after the "men" of the house (mercifully since evicted one by one) said that Jade had the best boobs in the house. He looked really surprised to hear that. What even faintly interested man would not have noticed that himself?!

 

[Peverell]

I think because they won't have the environment of being around each other 24/7 and he also thinks that he can't express himself freely in the house (I won't even go on about his communication skills).
To be honest, in my experience, a relationship benefits just as much from 'space' as it does being around someone. I'd want to stab my husband if he was around me 24/7 (sorry if that offends people!!).
As far as Jade goes, she went into the house in a position where she was dissatisfied about the direction she was heading - she was disillusioned about her job, she was disillusioned about men, and she's searching for a new direction, and someone to share that with. I think she'll be so surprised when she gets out all the opportunities that will open up for her.
She doesn't need Ed as dead weight anyway..

Yes they wont be tied in one house when they get out but I dont know if the connection will necessarily break. I think that depends on the time it takes for her to come out after him. The longer it takes, the more that connection breaks down.That is a real eye opener. Thank you.