Housemate #5 TULLY!

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Consuela said:
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Oh man...that scared me!
 
keke said:
Yes.

I have lived and worked in a number of countries and am older than you. One of the countries I have worked in is the KSA. And when I read your posts I am reminded of the various pronouncements of the Ulema. You 'morality' is, I suspect, based in Christian doctrine and property values - not the free association of persons.

I see no contradiction. You need to be specific.
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1. Australia is the 17th country and 6th continent I have lived in. Is that supposed to mean something important? If so let me know and I'll buy a trophy to reward myself! 2. You have no idea how old I am but I suspect from your incoherent writing and fondness for talking in circles when cornered that I am indeed older than you. If not, I'd suggest going back and suing your primary and high school teachers for failing to teach you the basics of a rational debate. Big Hint: I have a child and was born in the 70's.

If you can't see a contradiction with your saying it was all a part of a game plan and then by saying Tully believes she has remained faithful to her girlfriend then I'm not sure what else there is to say. So yeah, I think it's best our conversation is done as it seems fruitless at this point.
 
murf said:
Yes really. 16yr olds fall in "love" after 6 weeks. And come on, that's not how you treat someone you're in love with :rolleyes:
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falling in love in 6 weeks is a separate issue from how to behave in a relationship some people get married after 6 weeks (not that I think that is prudent but it happens) I feel comfortable in guessing that you have told a new partner that you love them within the first 6 weeks of meeting them
 
I don't think Christian doctrine and property values had anything to do with being thoughtful and respectful of the feelings of someone you care about, much less supposedly love, knowing full well you're doing things in the public eye. It doesn't have to do with morality even, it has to do with caring. Yes things happen and feelings develop but it doesn't mean it's right or dismissed. Sometimes you do things in life that hurt other people and you have to own that..
 
Mrs Butterface said:
1. Australia is the 17th country and 6th continent I have lived in. Is that supposed to mean something important? If so let me know and I'll buy a trophy to reward myself! 2. You have no idea how old I am but I suspect from your incoherent writing and fondness for talking in circles when cornered that I am indeed older than you. If not, I'd suggest going back and suing your primary and high school teachers for failing to teach you the basics of a rational debate. Big Hint: I have a child and was born in the 70's.

If you can't see a contradiction with your saying it was all a part of a game plan and then by saying Tully believes she has remained faithful to her girlfriend then I'm not sure what else there is to say. So yeah, I think it's best our conversation is done as it seems fruitless at this point.
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The circles you perceive are formed in you own mind, bounded as it is by your preconceptions.

As I have already said I am a lot older than you.

I can see no contradiction. It is possible to execute a prearranged false breakup and for Tully to believe that she has been faithful. Indeed it is probable.
 
Tahan came up with one of her most perceptive statements while talking to Tully when she said(something like this) there are people who are just friends and then there are people who are more than that, you are more than that, you two have electricity between you
 
Insomniac said:
I don't think Christian doctrine and property values had anything to do with being thoughtful and respectful of the feelings of someone you care about, much less supposedly love, knowing full well you're doing things in the public eye. It doesn't have to do with morality even, it has to do with caring. Yes things happen and feelings develop but it doesn't mean it's right or dismissed. Sometimes you do things in life that hurt other people and you have to own that..
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And, evidently, Tully believes that she has been thoughtful and respectful with respect to her partner. So, by your criterion, Tully can believe that she has been faithful.
 
keke said:
And, evidently, Tully believes that she has been thoughtful and respectful with respect to her partner. So, by your criterion, Tully can believe that she has been faithful.
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Sorry, that reasoning does not logically follow. There is no evidence to suggest that she believes she has been thoughtful to her partner and therefore by your reasoning, no evidence to suggest she believes she's been faithful either. It's easy to talk in circles like you seem fond of. You missed the point.
 
TullyLovesDrew said:
falling in love in 6 weeks is a separate issue from how to behave in a relationship some people get married after 6 weeks (not that I think that is prudent but it happens) I feel comfortable in guessing that you have told a new partner that you love them within the first 6 weeks of meeting them
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Good god not a chance in hell I would make a statement like that only 6 weeks into a relationship. Especially with someone I only met through dating and wasn't a friend for some time first
 
Insomniac said:
Sorry, that reasoning does not logically follow. There is no evidence to suggest that she believes she has been thoughtful to her partner and therefore by your reasoning, no evidence to suggest she believes she's been faithful either. It's easy to talk in circles like you seem fond of. You missed the point.
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Keke doesn't need logic - if that was a requirement her argument would have died a death long ago.

FYI Keke I share most of Mrs B's views and can comfortably state I am an atheist (or possibly a humanist - or a blend if such a thing I possible). Essentially I don't believe in gods but I do believe in humans and I do believe as humans we have choices and the choices we make show our morals and define our character
 
Insomniac said:
Sorry, that reasoning does not logically follow. There is no evidence to suggest that she believes she has been thoughtful to her partner and therefore by your reasoning, no evidence to suggest she believes she's been faithful either. It's easy to talk in circles like you seem fond of. You missed the point.
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We only know what we've seen her say on camera at various points--which has included both assertions that she's loyal to her girlfriend AND comments that she's been stressed over her relationship with Drew. None of us can say what she actually thinks.
 
Insomniac said:
Sorry, that reasoning does not logically follow. There is no evidence to suggest that she believes she has been thoughtful to her partner and therefore by your reasoning, no evidence to suggest she believes she's been faithful either. It's easy to talk in circles like you seem fond of. You missed the point.
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Well, the evidence is not strong in any direction. But, when the issue has been raised with her, she has rejected the suggestions that she is being disrespectful towards her partner.
 
littlebear said:
We only know what we've seen her say on camera at various points--which has included both assertions that she's loyal to her girlfriend AND comments that she's been stressed over her relationship with Drew. None of us can say what she actually thinks.
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a couple weeks ago
when she insecurely asked Drew about if he would go back with one of his ex GF's he said yes and she got upset and said that makes my life so much easier
that statement implied that she had strong feelings for Both Drew and Tahlia and that she was torn about it
 
littlebear said:
We only know what we've seen her say on camera at various points--which has included both assertions that she's loyal to her girlfriend AND comments that she's been stressed over her relationship with Drew. None of us can say what she actually thinks.
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Yes, it is possible that she is quite conflicted.
 
TullyLovesDrew said:
a couple weeks ago
when she insecurely asked Drew about if he would go back with one of his ex GF's he said yes and she got upset and said that makes my life so much easier
that statement implied that she had strong feelings for Both Drew and Tahlia and that she was torn about it
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For mine it was very obvious she was implying that she was leaning more towards leaving Tahlia for Drew than staying with Tahlia. That's why she stormed off, she was extremely upset that Drew still had feelings for an ex when she was on the verge of committing to him.
 
chiclet said:
The locus of her conflict is the fear that everyone else might not privilege her wants and needs above their own, which in the end they won't.
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I guess that the "everyone else" that most concerns her is her girlfriend. If her girlfriend applies the same norms as does Tully then your characterization of her behavior as requiring "privilege" is inappropriate. I cannot say the same with respect to the general public whose norms have clearly been violated.
 
Connoisseur said:
For mine it was very obvious she was implying that she was leaning more towards leaving Tahlia for Drew than staying with Tahlia. That's why she stormed off, she was extremely upset that Drew still had feelings for an ex when she was on the verge of committing to him.
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I took it that way too, IMO she was leaning strongly toward Drew
 
Lolz.. I just saw a full on promo with Tully crying on 9 and having a breakdown, etc and saying to vote for the housemate that brings the drama in the house.
 
keke said:
I guess that the "everyone else" that most concerns her is her girlfriend. If her girlfriend applies the same norms as does Tully then your characterization of her behavior as requiring "privilege" is inappropriate. I cannot say the same with respect to the general public whose norms have clearly been violated.
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Having read quite a bit of this thread I don't intend to have a high school debate with you that's fixated on petty semantics and ignores the spirit of what's being said. I'm talking about her narcissistic behaviour and expectations in every situation I have seen her in. That includes her dealings with Drew, the other housemates, BB himself, and even an inanimate coffee mug.
 
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