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Housemate #5 TULLY!

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^^Not going to go over a wall of text over-analysing it, I've watched it a few times and it's really nothing worth getting into that much unless you're really stretching for something to scrutinise. I certainly don't think Matt was being fair or truthful in his point though because the fact is that she's perfectly fine the vast majority of the time. Yes, they disagree with each other and it didn't get unreasonable on either side. Not arguing that they didn't have a conversation.
 
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I like how you highlighted matts name to further drive your point that she can't argue. Matt looked like he wasn't even listening in the end. That's the difference I think. Matt said what he needed and couldn't care less after that, which is why tully said she would take on board what he said. He didn't give in to her talk, whereas drew will allow tully to take control. He said he likes drama though. She obviously tried this technique on ed. I am curious as to how that played out.

I thought MATT handled himself very well in that situation. He reminded me of a well seasoned parent who has a troubled teen. He really is growing on me.
 
^^Not going to go over a wall of text over-analysing it, I've watched it a few times and it's really nothing worth getting into that much unless you're really stretching for something to scrutinise. Yes, they disagree with each other and it didn't get unreasonable on either side. Not arguing that they didn't have a conversation.

There was no argument because Matt didn't let her have the upper hand like Drew does EVERY stinking time! He made his statement, didn't give in to her diversionary tactics. THE END.
 
There was no argument because Matt didn't let her have the upper hand like Drew does EVERY stinking time! He made his statement, didn't give in to her diversionary tactics. THE END.

They both just said their piece, nothing wrong with that and it's silly to try to treat it as a game of who got 'owned'. Nobody did.
 
They both just said their piece, nothing wrong with that and it's silly to try to treat it as a game of who got 'owned'. Nobody did.

Matt was in the right and therefore won. Everybody in the house has a modicum of maturity and self-control and can suck it up when they're nominated even though it stings. Whereas tully throws tanties like a typical 2 year old when their mum refuses to buy them one the lollies displayed in the checkout counter.
 
Matt was in the right and therefore won.

Not really, it wasn't entirely fair for him to talk as if she's never happy because most of the time there's really nothing wrong at all. If he's 'right' about Tully acting sad when she's feeling sad about things then so is Tully, she said the same thing.
 
[MENTION=35069]Winterbourne[/MENTION], that was an amazing analysis. Breaking it down the way you did with an explanation for each thing stated, shows the different ways in which Matt and tully handle discussions. Matt is straight to the point and direct in his approach. Doesn't like to bring other circumstances into the argument. Tully likes to bring every scenario into a discussion and not discuss the issue at hand. Btw love the added touch of empathy towards mikkayla. Totally forgot about that.
[MENTION=25431]Hope4Rain[/MENTION], I like Matt. He stays unbelievably calm, he would make a great parent. Even the way he was sitting enforced his upper hand on the argument between himself and tully. He was laid back but in control.
[MENTION=32468]Max Power[/MENTION], tully whinged how she felt Matt attacked her. It sounds like she was owned in my opinion.
 
Matt was in the right and therefore won. Everybody in the house has a modicum of maturity and self-control and can suck it up when they're nominated even though it stings. Whereas tully throws tanties like a typical 2 year old when their mum refuses to buy them one the lollies displayed in the checkout counter.

Except with tully, there will be a long discussion followed after the tantrum and then there will be guilt laid on anyone in site and then of course it ends with talk of how she is victimised and no one sees things her way. I would take the two year old anyway. I have one and it isn't as hard work as watching tully self destruct
 
Tully annoys me as much as anyone but it's pretty obvious Matt and Ed are both confronting her about her behavior because they're so pressed about being nominated. If they weren't, they'd be pretty content with flying under the radar and continuing to play Mr Nice Guy for the cameras.
 
[MENTION=32468]Max Power[/MENTION], tully whinged how she felt Matt attacked her. It sounds like she was owned in my opinion.

I've already said that anyone in the same situation would talk about it just the same, nothing wrong with Tully not just shutting up about it as if there's any reason to do that. The stuff about being 'owned' is just childish and smells of vindictiveness.
 
Not really, it wasn't entirely fair for him to talk as if she's never happy because most of the time there's really nothing wrong at all. If he's 'right' about Tully acting sad when she's feeling sad about things then so is Tully, she said the same thing.

Don't feed the trolls ;)
 
Don't know what it is about this girl but I have the biggest crush on her!!
Makes me feel like an obsessively in love teenager!
 
Some people may have, for example, a 'holiday romance,' which is essentially what Drully are having, only it is on national tv and being zoomed around the internet. People say 'I couldn't live with myself...' but you don't die of having an affair. You must live with yourself, cause maybe the loved one is gone when they find out, or maybe you never say a word, Brief Encounter style. Either way, you are still there, being you, not being dead, living with yourself.

Some psychologist, or maybe it was a philosophical Polish bikie down the pub, pointed out that once you do something - a crime, a sin, whatever you call it, once you breach your internal sense of right and wrong - which is different for everyone unless you have signed on to a dogma dictating exactly what to think on every issue, which is valid - once you breach these rules of what you yourself think is wrong, in order to live with yourself, to reduce the cognitive dissonance your internal morals change, and can grow to encompass the new behaviour. It is why we always find the second murder easier.

Some of this should be going on in Tully and Drew, unless they are both sociopaths or something. Or, maybe not. Maybe Drew thinks it is not cheating if you are single - it is her problem, not mine. Some people do see it that way. Dunno with Tully. She seems unable to acknowledge that she has vreached a boundary. Maybe she feels she hasn't, but I suspect some pretty hefty denial going on, which seems habitual of her behaviour in this incredibly intense and specifec experience of being in that house.

lol, a bit too literal methinks. Saying one couldn't live with oneself is just a saying. It's not meant to be literal.
 
It's strange how I feel about Tully. I really supported her in the first weeks, but then when she stuck her claws in drew and started acting like she depended on him it turned me off her. I've been watching a few videos today of her being without drew and I find myself really starting to like her again, but that won't be for long and she'll be back taking her ownership of drew.

Drully is such a drag down for both drew and Tully. :(
 
It's strange how I feel about Tully. I really supported her in the first weeks, but then when she stuck her claws in drew and started acting like she depended on him it turned me off her. I've been watching a few videos today of her being without drew and I find myself really starting to like her again, but that won't be for long and she'll be back taking her ownership of drew.

Drully is such a drag down for both drew and Tully. :(



I think she's emotional and they have played that up a bit on the show. However we're seeing more moments where it's completely understanding why she is emotional.
 
I think she's emotional and they have played that up a bit on the show. However we're seeing more moments where it's completely understanding why she is emotional.

I don't think you can play up someone's emotions like Tullys when she has said she is an emotional person. Besides they can't play it up when all the hm's feel that way. So I do believe she is like that normally.
 
I don't think you can play up someone's emotions like Tullys when she has said she is an emotional person. Besides they can't play it up when all the hm's feel that way. So I do believe she is like that normally.

I'm talking about the aspect in which it's been played up on the show. Her being emotionally at everything and nothing. Versus who emotionally in moments that appear to have more merit for her to be emotional.
 
I'm talking about the aspect in which it's been played up on the show. Her being emotionally at everything and nothing. Versus who emotionally in moments that appear to have more merit for her to be emotional.

Ok. Well yeah I'm sure there are more footage of her being normal or warrant her being emotional, but the parts we do see where she does emotionally hijack situations she is over the top. But we also see lots of footage of the hm's saying she is too much, so I guess her emotional side overrides others and the situation at hand. Yes we are given small snippets of the show, but the hm's live it daily and going from what they say, it seems she is unbearable at times
 
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