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Housemate #5 TULLY!
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Veronica2005
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When has Tully really stood up to Tim though? I know she doesnt like him but then seems like he's one of her faves other times.
She told BB if she wasnt evicted that there would be war but have we seen that yet?
She told BB if she wasnt evicted that there would be war but have we seen that yet?
Tully's war disappeared to the same place Ed and Matt's mutiny did. Those three have sieves where their brains should be.
snarkmachine
Resident Bitch
You mean that one time she told him she could hear him bitching about her and he said, 'I don't care' and she was stunned into silence?
Yeah she really showed him
Mooseface
Little known member
Cute!
Dystopia
Flying so high..
Yes. He said she said.. I look at the big picture, I'm sure you do.
murf
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Best moment ever!
davidftw
Team LaPags!
She got completely owned and didn't even have a remotely snarky reply ready. Not even a "f**k you!".
Tully could never win a war of words with Tim. Ever. It wouldn't even be close. Her mind simply doesn't work that fast. She's a "would be if she could be" in pretty much every aspect.
And her "war" with Tim was a complete non event. She probably thought it through, and realised it was unwinnable. Just like Big Brother.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
Some people may have, for example, a 'holiday romance,' which is essentially what Drully are having, only it is on national tv and being zoomed around the internet. People say 'I couldn't live with myself...' but you don't die of having an affair. You must live with yourself, cause maybe the loved one is gone when they find out, or maybe you never say a word, Brief Encounter style. Either way, you are still there, being you, not being dead, living with yourself.
Some psychologist, or maybe it was a philosophical Polish bikie down the pub, pointed out that once you do something - a crime, a sin, whatever you call it, once you breach your internal sense of right and wrong - which is different for everyone unless you have signed on to a dogma dictating exactly what to think on every issue, which is valid - once you breach these rules of what you yourself think is wrong, in order to live with yourself, to reduce the cognitive dissonance your internal morals change, and can grow to encompass the new behaviour. It is why we always find the second murder easier.
Some of this should be going on in Tully and Drew, unless they are both sociopaths or something. Or, maybe not. Maybe Drew thinks it is not cheating if you are single - it is her problem, not mine. Some people do see it that way. Dunno with Tully. She seems unable to acknowledge that she has vreached a boundary. Maybe she feels she hasn't, but I suspect some pretty hefty denial going on, which seems habitual of her behaviour in this incredibly intense and specifec experience of being in that house.
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Hope4Rain
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absolutely a highlight moment! That is why Tim stands above the rest. When confronted, well, he would say it generally to your face if he's saying it behind your back. HE completely OWNED that scene, making Sullky look like the slag she is!~
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Sweet_Geek
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One of the highlights of the season was when she was owned by Tim. What a let down that tully vs Tim war was... Unless it is yet to happen? She will never win, Tim will win every time and won't bother to continue with it when he has had enough. Isn't that what happened the other night when he confronted her behaviour and then just walked off saying egg shells?
dweebie
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I think Tulley's comment "It's war" achieved exactly what she wanted, that was to garner enough votes to stay in the house that week, she never had any intention of going ahead with her threat, remember she has studied this show and owns every season on dvd, she new exactly how to manipulate the audience, all talk no action......
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Sweet_Geek
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Well it worked. Unfortunately.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
She got owned in a battle of words by Matt the other day. Just let that sink in. If you don't let her use her diversion tactics I don't see how she can win any argument. She fights like a spoilt child with no idea how to fight, beyond a few techniques that work because someone who should be teaching her better isn't standing up to her.
Drew doesn't bothre fighting mostly, just pulls his head in and feels hurt and fears the repercussions.
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Sweet_Geek
Guest
I like how you highlighted matts name to further drive your point that she can't argue. Matt looked like he wasn't even listening in the end. That's the difference I think. Matt said what he needed and couldn't care less after that, which is why tully said she would take on board what he said. He didn't give in to her talk, whereas drew will allow tully to take control. He said he likes drama though. She obviously tried this technique on ed. I am curious as to how that played out.
Max Power
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That was pretty reasonable on both sides really, they just disagreed with each other and it didn't get into any kind of angry shit slinging match. I don't see why either one would have walked away feeling any worse about each other, rather the opposite. A real stretch and to say anyone was 'owned'.
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Sweet_Geek
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She went into the room and whinged to drew about her talk with matt
Max Power
Well-Known Member
pfft that wasn't anything unreasonable either, it would be a bit strange for her to just not mention it. Anyone would in the same situation, nothing special about Tully talking about it.
Winterbourne
Unfallen Icarus
I disagree, and to try to provide some evidence for my opinion, quote myself:
Matt is calmly telling her that she only seems to be happy if everything is going her way. 0.18 seconds.
0.26 She takes a second to repeat the question and concoct an answer. She responds by saying 'Of course I am happier when things go my way. Who wouldn't be?'
Is this a willful misunderstanding of the subtlety of Matt's argument and an attempt to deflect the criticism, or did she genuinely not understand his point, that she needs to take 2 teaspoons of cement in a glass of water and harden the hell up? If the second, then she was just out thought, and out emotional intelligenced by Matt. Matt. The way she always uses this tactic with Drew suggests it is a deliberate tactic to derail the conversation and avoid facing the point the other is making.
It works for a second. Matt is drawn away from the thread of his argument and says the basically meaningless thing about how the way people behave when they are happy shows who they really are. Then, though, 0.41, he draws the conversation back to his original point, which is the thing he is trying to tell her, which he has wanted to tell her for weeks and has discussed endlessly with Caleb etc, that she could be a more positive person, and might be better for it.
He deflects her next justification with a 'Whatever.' 0.47. He wants to says she should be less negative, regardless of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Don't take the time to bleed form these shots of fate. Her attempted deflection is to say that she has been depressed for two weeks because of nominations. Matt knows this is not the reason, it is because her habitual response to anything that is not exactly as she would want it is to be negative. He has been formulating this theory over weeks of close proximity. He finishes by saying that as soon as she gets her way she is positive and happy.
0.52. She either pretends to misunderstand, or actually does not understand the subtle, but real, distinction between what Matt is saying and what she chooses to say. 'You respond negatively unless everything is exactly as you want it.' 'Everyone is happier when things go there own way.' Deflection, or misunderstanding, she either is trying to avoid speaking about the emotional topic Matt has raised, or she lacks the emotional intelligence to grasp Matt's thoughts. Matt's thoughts are above her head, or she chooses to avoid his politely spoken advice, feigning misunderstanding.
0.56. Matt wisely ignores her attempt again, and continues with his attempt to help her, talking about how she responds when people try to help her, that she shoves it back in their faces. 1.03. She denies it, says he is not fair, and asks for an example. He ignores the slight insult - you are not fair to me, Matthew - and gives her a recent example 1.12. She tries to deflect the example by giving her interpretation of everyone's behaviour, painting herself as the victim of everyone else. Matt points out she has no evidence, 'No one has ever said that.'
1.26 Tully is speechless, so Matt reiterates, No one has ever said that. He is trying to lead her to the realization that it is her negative interpretation of others that is making her upset, not the other people's actual behaviour or intentions.
They fuddle for a second, as Tully says she feels she cannot help being upset 1.35, before Matt says that this is in her head 1.40, it is not the case, it is what she is thinking of them, not the truth. Then Tully tries to take control. 'Can't you see how it would make me feel...' Tully brings the conversation to the way she feels. She wants Matt to think about her, to empathize with her, to see it as she does. He refuses, because she has no good reason to feel that way, only her own negative fabrications, to which he will give no credence.
Tully then tries to deflect, I have no idea why you are saying that. (To me watching, I think he is either saying it because he is sick of having to live with someone inventing dramas to be sad, or because he wants to help his friend be happy, and he has noticed that positivity has helped him get through things, and clearly Tully has a hard time getting through things, so he is trying to help her. But he probably just wants her ot stop blubbing all the time when things are not exactly as she would desire. )
1.50. They retread the old path. She tries her deflection about everyone being happier when they get their own way, I am the sane one, the one like everyone else, and she completely ignores his point, so he restates it, You are miserable. She asks 'So you think I was miserable all last week/" He just says yeah, pretty much.
She defends herself, giving specific examples of why she would be miserable 2.05 - because she was enduring the same stress that everyone else in the house is enduring, ie the uncertainty of nomination.
They ramble for a bit, then he brings it back to what he wanted to say 2.31 : When things do not go your own way you should try to be positive. She wants to point out to him how much she has changed 2.35, how she is no longer miserable all the time. I watch as much of this show as I can find on youtube, and she rarely seems happy to me. Or to Matt 2.48, who shares a bedroom with her.
She turns this into an attack. She doesn't discuss or think about what he said, she attacks him, points out something he did wrong - 'why has it taken you so long to bring this up with me?' 2.50. He doesn't say it, but the reactionary defensiveness she is displaying now could be the reason. Or, it is because he just didn't care enough because he actually does not like her. He gives a possibly honest, possibly tactful answer 2.52 - because he just realized it.
She begins to explain that she cannot just shake off negative emotions. 2.54. OK, fair enough, I have a melancholy temperament myself, and hated being told to cheer up when I was a teen. But then, she takes the opportunity to insult a housemate while providing an example, showing no great empathy for Mikayla, only ridicule.
She almost admits that maybe she could work on positivity BUT ( and everything before a but is bulldust in the mind of a speaker ) it is all because she is so genuine, so much more genuine than others.
Matt's look says 'I tried. Finished with you.' Pwned
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