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Ha!
Thank you. I consider that high praise coming from you!
To be honest when I joined the Channel 10 BB forum all those years ago I didn't know my your, from my you're, or my there, from my their, from my they're! I swear to God my vocab was a good 15000 words behind the posters who were worth reading.
I am not educated. I was expelled from high school during Year 9, and during my primary/high school years, I had never passed a grade, in fact I was "kept down" in Year 6 (which did wonders for my confidence and social acceptance). I think forums played a huge role in helping to build a solid foundation for me to base my learning on and my vocabulary since then has simply exploded! Through forums I have learned about history, politics and literature. I didn't even know what the Middle Ages were three years ago, and I thought the Age of Reason was a John Farnham song! Seriously! Ha!
I can't understand people who regularly interact in a forum using their written word to converse, and yet don't embrace the opportunity to improve their knowledge base. I love reading articulate responses, whether I agree with them or not. And I always feel irritated when reading a member who has been here since 2006, has accumulated 3000+ posts and yet refuses to take the golden opportunity to improve, learn and grow, or at the very least, turn their fucking spellcheck on. Don't tell old Vinegar Tits, but when it comes to a well worded post, you don't get much better than hers, and I respect that in a poster. I love reading those who are obviously educated, and I usually pick up a new word or two for my ever growing vocab while I'm at it.
I still get words mixed up and often need to consult my thesaurus to ensure I have chosen the right word, and of course I misspell like a dyslexic, the spell check function assists me daily and without it I would seriously wear my dictionary out in a week!!
I can honestly say, without the opportunity for improvement in my writing and understanding, which I gained through written interaction in forums, there is no way I could have graduated my Cert IV in Disability and my EN's with the level of success I did. I even read books now! Ha!
I do agree with much of what you say, Trala; but if you must talk about stoopid spelling mistakes, which we all make (especially me!), it might be a good idea to spell check before posting.
I'd also like to call truce. I enjoyed that brief period when we were civil to each other.
<- That's for you.
Most times I don't notice what you say, Jam; but if you must talk about stoopid truces, it might be a good idea not to insult me in the sentence preceding that request if you want it taken seriously.
Most predictably, in your quest for drama and your need to nip at my heels, the irony in my response to Derspatz was completely lost on you. I was talking about Mr D's tireless need to reinvent written words ie cool/qool, women/wimmin, stupid/stoopid, Greens Party supporter/greenazi and not misspelling.
On a lighter note I did receive a surprise PM from a faceless forum member last week telling me "...in two weeks time Jam will be trying to be friendly to you, you watch..."
Turns out you're a week early.
How awkward, you see my confidence always outweighs my actual ability...
After reading Jam's post I see I may have interpreted sarcasm for a compliment.
I just reread my post to Derspaz, and while I noticed lots of punctuation errors, and with hindsight I would have tried to improve my wording, I can't for the life of me find the spelling errors.
I am happy for you to point them out. I am a firm believer that when we know better, we do better.
Jam
I don't like it
As you are usually so keen to point out my own errors, I thought spelling/punctuation must be very important to you. It's 'fourth' not 'forth'. See? Not such a biggie. You write very well.
Oh well, I tried to be reasonable, do the decent thing and make a peace offering. I'll save my energy in future.
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eliza
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I wasn't being sarcastic
No it isn't.
I suspect you prolly don't want to realise this but there is no doubt millions, yes MILLIONS of females in Oz at the moment, who are totally happy with the domestic arrangement typically called "house wife". What is more, I suspect most of them are even PROUD housewives ... and their "sole breadwinner" husbands are similar proud of their wives and the vital role they play in relation to a successful "family unit".
The lads are happy to be out of the house earning the dollars that pay the bills, and the lasses are happy to be provided for in such a way and be able to devote themselves entirely to the constant care/needs of any kids as well as have the time to partake in the various social groups and activities that typically go hand with motherhood/parenthood and all that.
What is more, many of those millions of females are so content with that ideal they have zero interest (let alone need ... nor the time and energy anyway) in taking on work or study or whatever while it is likelly to have a detrimental affect on family life.
Their lives, their choice and not only is there nothing wrong with it nor anything unreasonable or balderdashy about it, it also surely is to be commended, especially when the children are actually being raised by their own parents rather than being farmed off to be raised by strangers in so called "day care", yes ?
Also, when the kids fly the coop at last, many families still see no need for the female of the household to then take up paid employment ... after all, tis even cheaper to run a household after the kids are gone, and then there is always grandkids to prepare for as well as just winding back a little to take more "self" time.
Heck, my old man is still doing the "breadwinner" thang at nearly 81 (obviously subsidised by pension, and he is earning his income in his workshop at home anyway), and my mum (who holds professional qualifications in relation to working with the profoundly disabled as well as child development) hasn't had to do paid employment in many a decade but instead devotes her free time to various worthwhile causes including helping out at the blood bank and the protection and management of a bit of national park in their area, as well as hanging out with her various interest groups.
Actually, even I got to enjoy doing the "mr mum" thang for prolly around 5 years ... the missus wanted to work and I wanted to owner build our home, so I was the one getting numba1son to and from school, doing volunteer work at the school, building the house, and my literal "home maker" lifestyle supported by the wife's desire to be part of a paid team and a breadwinner rather than a homebody.
Mind you (and as many already know) it did turn out that I was better at being a literal "home maker" than figurative "homemaker" ... but at least she, most deservedly, gets to live in wot I made even if I don't.
Anyhoo, the short of it is that, for millions upon millions of Oz folk, when it comes to a household basically having one person as a breadwinner and another as a homebody and not much variation to the arrangement throughout their entire lives together, surely it really is a case of "if it works, then great" ... and there is certainly nothing unreasonable or balderdash about it ?
Just because either your choice or your circumstances saw you taking on both breadwinner and homemaker roles doesn't mean that it is unreasonable for other wimmin to opt to always and only be "homemakers" supported by a "breadwinner" and never take on paid employement themselves.
Sure, they've all got something going there that, for whatever reason, you've apparently missed out on, but surely you are able to be happy for those millions of Oz women who always have and always will be proud housewives / homemakers who have been and hopefully "until death do we part" and all that, be supported in that by their breadwinner husbands who are similarly proud of their homemaker wives ?
It seems to me that Tony is right on the money when he basically intimates that many women are content to be homemakers and provided for by their spouse. I don't see him suggesting that being a homemakers isn't similarly providing for the "breadwinner" or that one role is more important or vital than the other.
regarDS
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BTW, and in relation to speeling and all that, did you recall what happened re: the word "misogynist" after the sexist, racist, misandrist, emily lister, marxist, fabian socialist Julia Gillard had her utterly unjustifed and way over-time rant in defence of indefencible; Peter Slipper ?
Read for yourself from here then google "redefines misogyny": http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/17/us-australia-misogyny-idUSBRE89G0D520121017
Other planned changes include "deficit" being redefined as "surplus", "CO2" being defined as "deadly pollution wot drowns polar bears", "marxism" being defined as "the vehicle for creating heaven on earth", "conservatism" being defined as "the first horseman of the apocalypse", and "evil" being redefined as "good".
regarDS
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eliza
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I support choice, the choice to stay at home or the choice to go to work or study.
I am not sure why you are banging on about stay at home parents, I have never stated I am against men or women making the choice to stay at home. Your post is irrelevant in response to my post.
What I do hate is when parents turn on each other about those choices.
The balderdash is because Tony has no formal qualifications to be making statements based on Psychology.
I support choice, the choice to stay at home or the choice to go to work or study.
I am not sure why you are banging on about stay at home parents, I have never stated I am against men or women making the choice to stay at home. Your post is irrelevant in response to my post.
What I do hate is when parents turn on each other about those choices.
The balderdash is because Tony has no formal qualifications to be making statements based on Psychology.
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Good on ya ... though you've not made it clear if you're happy or not about the millions and millions of women who have chosen to be proud homemakers and who have never chosen to go to work or study.
There might even be some in these forums, dontchaknow ?
Oh, so only members of your chosen club and holders of the certificates it chooses to hand out can be deemed to have valid and correct knowledge re: what is labelled "psychology" and what it determines to be good and true, eh ?
That it is you and your lot who hold the keys to that kind of sacred and secret knowledge and that it is you and your lot who determine who has "sick beliefs" (presumably requiring curing) and/or is "spewing hatred" (presumably requiring censorship) or not, yes ?
If that is the case, let's all hope that you and your lot never get the kind of support and recognition in Oz that Lysenko got in Russia under Stalin, which was to the detriment and death of many millions, and repeated slightly differently in China to the death of 30 million, hmmm ?
In short, one does not require so called "formal qualifications" to make accurate statements in relation to any particular field of statements.
One merely needs to know how to study and research and in this day and age, it can be as easy as typing a question into google then cross-checking results dontchaknow ?
Don't look now but I think your sacred and secret knowledge, just like the secrets of scientology and mormonism, is available for anyone to read and point and laugh at from near anywhere on the interwubz, and now near ANYONE can deliver an accurate statement in relation to what psychology deems to be accurate.
What is more, thanks to the internut (hi Tralalad), it is now easier than ever before for near ANYONE to expose and denounce the flaws in the thinking and ideologies of all sorts of ivory-tower fundamentalisms, pschology included ... and no so called "formal qualifications" are required.
BTW, you're not suggesting that one must become a card caring sea-org graduate born again scientologist or bible college degreed mormon (etc, etc, etc) in order to have a correct and valid understanding of what those cults believe to be true do you ?
Anyhoo, as for formal qualification, from my quick bit of googling (ain't the interwubz wonderful ?) it would seem that Mr Abbott (who has already authored more books than presumably you or I have) studied for a Bachelor of Economics and a Bachelor of Laws at the University of Sydney and for a Master of Arts as a Rhodes Scholar at The Queen's College, Oxford and that he later trained as a seminarian and worked as a journalist, business manager, political advisor and Executive Director of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, and all of this (aside from the aforemented authorship) prior to entering Australian parliarment.
Not hard to infer from that little collection of "formal" accomplishments, that Mr Abbott is no stranger to the discipline of research and study and figuring out what is what and what is likely or not, etc, yes ?
Anyhoo, because somebody isn't wielding the same diploma as you on the topic being talked about doesn't automatically make what they claim about it to be balderdash. Such a thing can only be reasonably claimed after the providing and examination and accepting of evidence, etc.
Something you've chosen not to do.
If you are so sure of yourself, what have you to lose by sharing in the forum that which you think supports your claim of "balderdash" ... or are you actually so arrogant or elitist to think that nobody other than folk who hold so called "formal qualifications" similar to your own would understand anyway and that the rest of us should just shut up and accept without any kind of testing that which you have accepted if not decreed to be gospel ?
Oh, and BTW, in Tony's quote, it is the word PHYSIOLOGICAL that is used ...
regarDS
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kxk
SAPIOSEXUAL
Oh, so only members of your chosen club and holders of the certificates it chooses to hand out can be deemed to have valid and correct knowledge re: what is labelled "psychology" and what it determines to be good and true, eh ?
That it is you and your lot who hold the keys to that kind of sacred and secret knowledge and that it is you and your lot who determine who has "sick beliefs" (presumably requiring curing) and/or is "spewing hatred" (presumably requiring censorship) or not, yes ?Quite the inferiority complex demonstrated here, yes?
One merely needs to know how to study and research and in this day and age, it can be as easy as typing a question into google then cross-checking results dontchaknow ?
The folly of fools, believing the internet - a mistake nobody with formal qualifications ever makes.
And we also have other tricks in our secret qualified kit bag you can only wonder at, since you have never been to our secret learning places, yes?
The way you try to bludgeon seems to me rather typical of people with little formal education, you have never learnt much about subtlety, complexity or sophistication, yes???
That it is you and your lot who hold the keys to that kind of sacred and secret knowledge and that it is you and your lot who determine who has "sick beliefs" (presumably requiring curing) and/or is "spewing hatred" (presumably requiring censorship) or not, yes ?Quite the inferiority complex demonstrated here, yes?
One merely needs to know how to study and research and in this day and age, it can be as easy as typing a question into google then cross-checking results dontchaknow ?
The folly of fools, believing the internet - a mistake nobody with formal qualifications ever makes.
And we also have other tricks in our secret qualified kit bag you can only wonder at, since you have never been to our secret learning places, yes?
The way you try to bludgeon seems to me rather typical of people with little formal education, you have never learnt much about subtlety, complexity or sophistication, yes???
eliza
Active Member
Good on ya ... though you've not made it clear if you're happy or not about the millions and millions of women who have chosen to be proud homemakers and who have never chosen to go to work or study.
There might even be some in these forums, dontchaknow ?
Seriously, we have established that I do not have a problem with stay at home mums, stop flogging a dead horse please.
Not for one minute do I think I am qualified to make a Psychological or Physiological comment on ALL WOMEN. Just because I have said Tony is not qualified doesn't mean I think I am. Oh and by the way, he is even more deluded if he thinks he is an expert on the Physiology of women. You make way too many assumptions.
Before you get all noble, let’s throw a bit of perspective in here to gain a more realistic overview shall we?
You’re right, I was keen to point out your errors when you were screeching that I was a “craven back peddler” when I attempted to genuinely apologise for my bad behaviour towards another member in here, and you didn't just stop there; you went on to further insult me by branding me the expert at “petty cruelty”. How did you think I was going to respond? Did you think I was going to google some memes of cats kissing in an attempt to demonstrate how cute and likeable I think you are? I mean seriously, did you think I was not going to respond in kind?!
But back to your critiquing: You are right, spelling and punctuation have become very important to me, and to be perfectly honest, I had no idea that forth was actually spelt with a u in it. Homophones have long been my enemy, and they often slip me up. So thank you for pointing that out. The truth is, Jam, I have no problem being wrong. In fact most of what I have grown up believing to be true and correct has in fact been proven wrong over the years. Thank you for your compliment, regarding my writing, however since your post was re-edited 30 minutes after your initial post, I have to wonder what your original version had to say.
Sounds to me like you are actually starting to believe your own bullshit, Jam. I hate to burst the self righteous cyber bubble you are currently engulfed in, but you are far from a forum version of Gandhi. Flip back a page and revisit your comment. What you did was smack me in the face with an insult and then try and stroke my hand with an olive branch. If that was your version of a "peace offering", best you save your energy to research what a peace offering actually entails, because while I am no expert, I am quietly confident it doesn't begin with a sarcastic jibe.
Well then I will stick with my original reaction.
Thank you, that is high praise coming from you.
Ha!
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I have to say, it makes me laugh every time I read it!
REgaRDS
Jam
I don't like it
Frankly, I don't have time for this shit.
Spelling and punctuation mistakes are trivial; as I pointed out, everyone makes them. They are not the stuff of insults. If my comment really insulted you then, in my opinion, you are being overly sensitive.
If you'd care to see what started our last dispute it was you insulting me for apologising to another member because I thought I had upset her. Did you expect me not to respond? I actually think you despise me because I hit a nerve somewhere along the way when I objected to your abuse and demeaning comments to some of the other posters in here. Don't bother to blather on about calling bullshit on fuckwits. You are the most aggressive bullshitter I've come across in my life.
I'm done here. Enjoy your flaming in the playground. You'll have a whole new batch of victims to impress soon when BB starts. Your appreciative audience of brave private messagers will be delighted. I'll be enjoying real life interacting with rational people.
Jam
I don't like it
You're right. I overreacted BIG TIME and I apologize. I'm not as stellar a poster as you are, Trala. I just post without spending any time planning it out (hence this edit!). I shouldn't have let your posts get under my skin and I am very sorry that I upset you, and regret the embarrassment I caused myself with my untenable behaviour in doing so.
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