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Zoe the redneck homophobe...or not?

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No, however they hold what is deemed to be extremist veiws on homosexuality and women in marriage. They point you made about a SMALL percentage of a religion or race, most of whom are fleeing because of such things is stupid. As those ideals are also illegal in this country, they would be dealt with accordingly with the authorities in the slight chance that it was ever to happen. It is like saying someone from America is going to drive on the wrong side of the road just because it's what they do back home, it tends to be thing that most people follow the laws of the country they live in.
 
Jam said:
Devout Christians are the same, darling. Islam, Christianity and Judaism all worship the same god. They have different prophets.
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But they are NOT. Islam is not just a religion, it in an ideology that controls every single aspect of a Muslims life. You ask any Muslim here to answer truthfully, will they follow Sharia Law or Australian? If they're honest you'll hear Sharia everytime. This indoctrination can never be reconditioned. Look at that kid holding that sign during the riots. What kind of conversations do you think his parents have with him? Especially regarding infidels (you and I).

Lets not forget how many MILLIONS of dollars those riots and subsequent increase in police presence cost the world and us here in Australia. They cannot mix with democracy, it's like stirring water and oil. This is my first and last post on this issue as I believe I've educated myself enough on this subject to feel comfortable with my opinion. I don't wish to debate, nor think a Big Bro forum is the place to get too political. In closing, I agree with Zoe, and if you don't agree with those opinions it does not mean either of us are wrong or right.

Zoe is not a bigot, or a racist or a homophobe. In fact of all of them in there she is the most genuine and kind. Her political views are hers alone. People can still be kind and compassionate without agreeing with every single thing do-gooders do.
 
AusKat said:
But they are NOT. Islam is not just a religion, it in an ideology that controls every single aspect of a Muslims life. You ask any Muslim here to answer truthfully, will they follow Sharia Law or Australian? If they're honest you'll hear Sharia everytime. This indoctrination can never be reconditioned. Look at that kid holding that sign during the riots. What kind of conversations do you think his parents have with him? Especially regarding infidels (you and I).

Lets not forget how many MILLIONS of dollars those riots and subsequent increase in police presence cost the world and us here in Australia. They cannot mix with democracy, it's like stirring water and oil. This is my first and last post on this issue as I believe I've educated myself enough on this subject to feel comfortable with my opinion. I don't wish to debate, nor think a Big Bro forum is the place to get too political. In closing, I agree with Zoe, and if you don't agree with those opinions it does not mean either of us are wrong or right.

Zoe is not a bigot, or a racist or a homophobe. In fact of all of them in there she is the most genuine and kind. Her political views are here alone.
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I agree with Zoe being able to hold her own views, did a bloody rant on that.

However, I don't agree with the 'if they all answered honestly' part. You have mind reading abilities? Or have conducted a large scale study into the ideologies held by members of the Islam community in Australia, etc. I don't think it is a claim you can just make on their behalf. I can say I went to a very multicultural school and many of my friends and now co-workers follow the faith, but have adopted westernised culture incorporated with their traditional values. Nothing wrong with keeping their faith, and yes I am sure in their own home some of the women may or may not be viewed as equal, but that can be said for many western homes.
 
Moderate Muslims are shunned by the greater Islamic community. There have been surveys done, want me to jump on my PC (on the iPhone right now) to give you some sources? Or you could research yourself. Sharia is God's law to them, so by their logic that trumps any Western laws. Sounds fine normally, until you look at how sick the crimes and punishments are. The ideology is sick, it is the reason those countries have not flourished and it is the reason there was violence here. Erg and I've gone against my word stating I wouldn't post anymore on the subject. I'll say it again, I won't post again on this. Now to stick to it.. :D
 
AusKat said:
But they are NOT. Islam is not just a religion, it in an ideology that controls every single aspect of a Muslims life. You ask any Muslim here to answer truthfully, will they follow Sharia Law or Australian? If they're honest you'll hear Sharia everytime. This indoctrination can never be reconditioned. Look at that kid holding that sign during the riots. What kind of conversations do you think his parents have with him? Especially regarding infidels (you and I).

Lets not forget how many MILLIONS of dollars those riots and subsequent increase in police presence cost the world and us here in Australia. They cannot mix with democracy, it's like stirring water and oil. This is my first and last post on this issue as I believe I've educated myself enough on this subject to feel comfortable with my opinion. I don't wish to debate, nor think a Big Bro forum is the place to get too political. In closing, I agree with Zoe, and if you don't agree with those opinions it does not mean either of us are wrong or right.

Zoe is not a bigot, or a racist or a homophobe. In fact of all of them in there she is the most genuine and kind. Her political views are hers alone. People can still be kind and compassionate without agreeing with every single thing do-gooders do.
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All religion aims to control every aspect of the devotee's life. There are many, many Moslems in Australia who make major contributions to our knowedge and our well being. I work with some of them and they are people, AusKat. People like you and me.

And how many millions of dollars are spent on controlling the 'drunk Aussie bogans' that you complain of in other threads? Many, many more I'll warrant. All those footy fans! All those slappers! All those people that offend you so much!

I didn't mention Zoe in any of my posts on this topic. I don't know her, so therefore can't comment on what she believes.

(PS: I'm glad you won't be making any sweeping statements inviting comment in the future, because of this illustrious education with which you're so comfortable. Cheers!)
 
AusKat said:
Moderate Muslims are shunned by the greater Islamic community. There have been surveys done, want me to jump on my PC (on the iPhone right now) to give you some sources? Or you could research yourself. Sharia is God's law to them, so by their logic that trumps any Western laws. Sounds fine normally, until you look at how sick the crimes and punishments are. The ideology is sick, it is the reason those countries have not flourished and it is the reason there was violence here. Erg and I've gone against my word stating I wouldn't post anymore on the subject. I'll say it again, I won't post again on this. Now to stick to it.. :D
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Hey, we are all entitled to our views, I also have stuff showing otherwise, that's the annoying thing with research, there is always an expert on either side.
 
Actually religion and morality which is where it gets about controlling your life was not a big part of religion until Judaism and then Christianity with Islam to follow. If you read about religion in the Ancient world, Egypt, Rome ect. Religion took a different role in peoples lives.

It is not something that goes hand in hand with religion. It's just become a feature of it.
 
Mizzeerie said:
Hey, we are all entitled to our views, I also have stuff showing otherwise, that's the annoying thing with research, there is always an expert on either side.
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Exactly, who is right and who is wrong? We're all entitled to our opinions and if we are comfortable with them then all is well.

Jam, don't be patronizing. I never made a jibe at you, or anyone on this board for that matter, so it astounds me everyone says how horrible I am and then use that as justification to be rude and nasty to me. It goes to show your true nature, at least I'm having a laugh. I'm happy with my "illustrious" education, true, but it's my values and intelligence which also guide me through life. Love to you xx
 
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Good most of the meepers have gone away.

If this isn't the place to discuss housemates and their views then where is?
 
up_all_night said:
Actually religion and morality which is where it gets about controlling your life was not a big part of religion until Judaism and then Christianity with Islam to follow. If you read about religion in the Ancient world, Egypt, Rome ect. Religion took a different role in peoples lives.

It is not something that goes hand in hand with religion. It's just become a feature of it.
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There are many nuggets of gold in those old texts for the bewildered, ironically we wouldn't know about any of them if it wasn't for Islamic scholars

You are a smart cookie uan.
 
aajptt said:
There are many nuggets of gold in those old texts for the bewildered, ironically we wouldn't know about any of them if it wasn't for Islamic scholars

You are a smart cookie uan.
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I just like history.

On that Islamic scholars saving the old texts, East To West on SBS a few months back had a good documentary on it.
 
AusKat said:
Exactly, who is right and who is wrong? We're all entitled to our opinions and if we are comfortable with them then all is well.

Jam, don't be patronizing. I never made a jibe at you, or anyone on this board for that matter, so it astounds me everyone says how horrible I am and then use that as justification to be rude and nasty to me. It goes to show your true nature, at least I'm having a laugh. I'm happy with my "illustrious" education, true, but it's my values and intelligence which also guide me through life. Love to you xx
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I wasn't being patronixing, Auskat, and I didn't say you were horrible. I was merely debating what you saw as facts about our compatriots in a multi-cultural society.

I really don't think that merely being comfortable with your opinions makes everything okay. I think that views need to demonstrably be part of a justifiable world view.
 
I need to justify that Islam, to me, is a backward thinking sickening way of life? Why? I'm an Atheist, religion is merely a human construct to alleviate the anxiety of death and to give us a sense of purpose.

If you need a fairy tale to get by in life, I'm all for it. I'll even let you tell me about your fairy tale and listen enthusiastically. But when said fairy tale causes violence and murder, then clearly the story ain't all it is cracked up to be. Don't you think it's frightening that under Sharia law, any Muslim who chooses to reject Islam can be justifiably executed? How about two female testimonies equals one males?

Or do you simply giggle and think oh it's a minority here, the underdog, I'll champion for them no matter what? I'm still waiting for the Christians to riot over those mean old South Park episodes mocking Jesus! Beheadings for all! Because, you know, madness and hysteria caused by a radical and stupid belief is acceptable to the do gooders.
 
Marty Smarty Boy said:
BB doesn't get off the hook either, for pandering to the ignorance of folks like you in stereotyping Zoe.
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She offered up the material with which to type her.

hughesy17 said:
About 1,000 people have died trying to reach Australia by boats. Where is the kindness in that? We have the highest refugee intake per capita in the world already. Encouraging people to come by boats is not the way to go.
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The only way you can discourage refugees is to be so cruel to them on arrival they'll put up with their misery or try to escape to somewhere not quite so bad. What a policy! According to UNHCR figures for 2011, Australia is about 70th in the world for refugee intake per capita.

AusKat said:
But they are NOT. Islam is not just a religion, it in an ideology that controls every single aspect of a Muslims life. You ask any Muslim here to answer truthfully, will they follow Sharia Law or Australian?
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People can be culturally Muslim in the same way Christians are. You vaguely identify with the religion but you don't necessarily observe any of the rules. Think Demet from BB7. Sharia law is a complicated business. In countries with secular law like Australia it only applies to within the community and acknowledges the priority of the established law of the land.
 
Uh, I asked an open question. There was no implied bigotry on my part, indeed I was questioning my memory concerning Zoe's views and whether in fact she was a bigot. There's a difference. A rather big difference in fact. Nor am I stereotyping Zoe. If you read my post properly you'll see that I think she has comes across as a sweetie. However I do disagree wholeheartedly with her views about what many Australians and indeed what the Aussie media calls "boat people", and what I call refugees.


Marty Smarty Boy said:
You loaded a lot of bigotry and prejudice into your question, so of course people took offence.

Just realise that you are different to most Australians, and try to be more thoughtful and considerate next time.

BB doesn't get off the hook either, for pandering to the ignorance of folks like you in stereotyping Zoe.
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