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URGH! Beth totally didn't have to die. How frustrating. I wasn't a huge fan of her but I didn't want her dead. Poor Maggie. Maggie's reaction to Daryl carrying Beth's body made me cry. For so long they have been apart and they were just about to reunite and boom. Fuck you TWD.

Also - while I'm dishing out fuck you's. A huge fuck you goes to the Facebook page for TWD. I was scrolling my news feed earlier when this beauty popped up with "RIP Beth" above it:
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I have since unliked the page but apparently they even spoiled it for the west coast people in America. Stupid stupid stupid.
 
I know what ass hats their social media team are. They effed up big time. I came home went to dl and then checking fb and it was right there on the news feed.!!!
 
~SYMBPLE~ said:
I know what ass hats their social media team are. They effed up big time. I came home went to dl and then checking fb and it was right there on the news feed.!!!
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I was so very cranky. It's so frustrating because it came from the official page too. Who does that? They have pissed off quite a number of fans by the messages left on that post.
 
I luckily for some reason didn't have them liked on facebook. However I saw people complaining, so managed to avoid the spoiler.

Some of the comments under it were quite funny. They seriously messed up.

I must admit, I am some what perplexed by the end of Beth. It seems like such a damn waste. It's so pointless. She achieved nothing. Is there something I am missing?

She had to know she'd be killed, didn't she? By the other cops at least?

It just didn't sit right. She knows how things work, so she kills the lady and then dies. How is that worth while or satisfying?

Can someone shed some light of how her death was meaningful, or how it was not pointless?

So was she the last of the good cops? Now the cops are all free? I doubt it.

Just a shame as I quite liked her character and I don't really see what point they were trying to make for her in her going out like that. It almost seemed like all the character development of her going from that suicidal girl onwards was undone.

I understand for a show like this, deaths don't have to be meaningful, shit happens in this world. From Beths point of view, what was she aiming to achieve instead of just giving up and taking that lady with her?
 
up_all_night said:
I luckily for some reason didn't have them liked on facebook. However I saw people complaining, so managed to avoid the spoiler.

Some of the comments under it were quite funny. They seriously messed up.

I must admit, I am some what perplexed by the end of Beth. It seems like such a damn waste. It's so pointless. She achieved nothing. Is there something I am missing?

She had to know she'd be killed, didn't she? By the other cops at least?

It just didn't sit right. She knows how things work, so she kills the lady and then dies. How is that worth while or satisfying?

Can someone shed some light of how her death was meaningful, or how it was not pointless?

So was she the last of the good cops? Now the cops are all free? I doubt it.

Just a shame as I quite liked her character and I don't really see what point they were trying to make for her in her going out like that. It almost seemed like all the character development of her going from that suicidal girl onwards was undone.

I understand for a show like this, deaths don't have to be meaningful, shit happens in this world. From Beths point of view, what was she aiming to achieve instead of just giving up and taking that lady with her?
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I agree. I don't quite understand what she meant when she said "I get it now". It was just a waste. The only thing it does is impact the other characters. I think the most reaction we will see is from Daryl. Maggie was upset too - but the writers neglect her and she might go back to normal again. I do hope that this impacts her too though. I want to see her being reckless or careless or doing something not like typical Maggie so that we can see that the death of her sister impacted her.
 
Cass0907 said:
I agree. I don't quite understand what she meant when she said "I get it now". It was just a waste. The only thing it does is impact the other characters. I think the most reaction we will see is from Daryl. Maggie was upset too - but the writers neglect her and she might go back to normal again. I do hope that this impacts her too though. I want to see her being reckless or careless or doing something not like typical Maggie so that we can see that the death of her sister impacted her.
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I was spoiled too thanks to the fucking amc page. Ugh. I still got teary but it would have had a much bigger impact had I not known what was coming. Shame that. I noticed in the trailer there was a scene with Maggie sitting at a camp bawling so I am guessing we will see how it affects her when it returns.

Anyway, it was a weird death. Did anyone else get the impression that Dawn just wanted Noah to "choose" to come back to her group? As if it justified all the nasty shit she does. She was going on about how the people who leave always come back, maybe she was trying to fool herself into thinking if they always come back then she can't be that bad and that she's still a good person doing good things deep down, otherwise why would people come back, right? I think she was borderline insane, clearly the group felt no loyalty toward her or those cops would have told her that Rick killed the other dude in a heartbeat.
I also got the impression she just wanted Noah to be there because without Noah (and now Beth) she was truly alone with that godawful group of her own making. Or the godawful group that didn't have her back because she was a lunatic. I can't work it out haha

I dunno, it was a very strange move on her part and also Beth's. I mean here is Beth, rescued, seconds from seeing her sister and she goes and stabs Dawn. Perhaps she just really wanted to save Noah from being stuck in that horrible place again with Dawn. I mean she was pretty happy when he hobbled away from there last time. Perhaps she just didn't want Dawn to win, she wanted Noah to go home and not "come back" purely because he had no damn choice in the matter, but she sacrificed bloody everything for it so it's really, really odd.

I wonder if we will learn any more about the hospital group and what the fuck the deal was with them. I feel like we haven't been told what actually went on.
 
AMC page ruined it for me too...saw the picture and thought Oh no someone said someone was going to die
just glad it wasnt Carol.On Talking dead Emily Kinney kept crying she was super sad to be leaving the
show,her friends,her apartment..not only did she have to die in the show,she had to uproot her whole life
 
up_all_night said:
I luckily for some reason didn't have them liked on facebook. However I saw people complaining, so managed to avoid the spoiler.

Some of the comments under it were quite funny. They seriously messed up.

I must admit, I am some what perplexed by the end of Beth. It seems like such a damn waste. It's so pointless. She achieved nothing. Is there something I am missing?

She had to know she'd be killed, didn't she? By the other cops at least?

It just didn't sit right. She knows how things work, so she kills the lady and then dies. How is that worth while or satisfying?

Can someone shed some light of how her death was meaningful, or how it was not pointless?

So was she the last of the good cops? Now the cops are all free? I doubt it.

Just a shame as I quite liked her character and I don't really see what point they were trying to make for her in her going out like that. It almost seemed like all the character development of her going from that suicidal girl onwards was undone.

I understand for a show like this, deaths don't have to be meaningful, shit happens in this world. From Beths point of view, what was she aiming to achieve instead of just giving up and taking that lady with her?
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It was pointless ,they could of had her bitten and Maggie having to give her mercy,they could of done anything..but I mean seriously stab Dawn with that ridiculous pair of teeny,tiny scissors and then have a gun go off accidentally..it's ludicrous,worse walking dead death ever
 
I don't know, I think I see what Beth was trying to accomplish. My guess is that she finally started believing that the world they live in would never improve (as she said in the episode), so she didn't really have a deep desire to keep living. I also don't think she had any real intention to leave the hospital, otherwise she wouldn't have stuffed the scissors in her sleeve. She knew that Dawn would have something like this planned, so she was prepared to get Dawn offed as an act of revenge for disregarding everything she was put through. Granted, I don't think Beth necessarily WANTED to die, but I think she knew that's what would happen after stabbing Dawn, and she was prepared for it.
 
Lindsay1973 said:
AMC page ruined it for me too...saw the picture and thought Oh no someone said someone was going to die
just glad it wasnt Carol.On Talking dead Emily Kinney kept crying she was super sad to be leaving the
show,her friends,her apartment..not only did she have to die in the show,she had to uproot her whole life
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I cried during the Walking Dead episode, and then I cried again during Talking Dead, because Emily was soo emotional. Why did she have to be killed off... :(
 
at least Daryl doesn't have to choose anymore! And the thing that I laughed about was when Michonne was fighting those walkers with Judith on her back and the baby never made one sound. They have got that kid trained well. AS IF!!
 
rdhaley said:
I don't know, I think I see what Beth was trying to accomplish. My guess is that she finally started believing that the world they live in would never improve (as she said in the episode), so she didn't really have a deep desire to keep living. I also don't think she had any real intention to leave the hospital, otherwise she wouldn't have stuffed the scissors in her sleeve. She knew that Dawn would have something like this planned, so she was prepared to get Dawn offed as an act of revenge for disregarding everything she was put through. Granted, I don't think Beth necessarily WANTED to die, but I think she knew that's what would happen after stabbing Dawn, and she was prepared for it.
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That makes sense to me. Thank you for sharing your opinion :) It gives me a bit of closure I guess :D
 
rdhaley said:
I don't know, I think I see what Beth was trying to accomplish. My guess is that she finally started believing that the world they live in would never improve (as she said in the episode), so she didn't really have a deep desire to keep living. I also don't think she had any real intention to leave the hospital, otherwise she wouldn't have stuffed the scissors in her sleeve. She knew that Dawn would have something like this planned, so she was prepared to get Dawn offed as an act of revenge for disregarding everything she was put through. Granted, I don't think Beth necessarily WANTED to die, but I think she knew that's what would happen after stabbing Dawn, and she was prepared for it.
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That actually makes sense,when she was sitting by the elevator shaft and Dawn said "are you going to jump?"
Maybe this was a sort of suicide by cop but zombie apocalypse style
 
I still don't think it works. The hopelessness of her situation, maybe carol being there gave her some purpose. However she was rescued.

Although maybe there's some point to. She is standing between the horrible hospital world, and back to the life she had before and decided to end it.

However she actually has no idea what on earth her peoples situation is. For all she would know, they found a new safe home and just came to save her and bring her to it. Surely the fact the last she knew of the group, they were all separated. Daryl was by himself. Then to have them all there together. Her giving up makes no sense.


The actress on talking dead seemed to say she thinks Beth in the moment got over confident. So maybe that is it. She thought she won, she was going to take dawn down, thinking she was clever, she got out.

Just does seem like it is meant to be a waste and that decision ruins any character story arc for her. She was just an idiot who got herself killed in the end apparently.
 
Emily even cried during a print interview. Obviously a very emotional life changing event for her. I guess she really enjoyed her life, role and costars during the show. Note how frequently in italics she is either near tears or actually crying.

Exclusive
Walking Dead Midseason Finale Post Mortem:
Sounds Off on Killer Twist — 'I Did Not See It Coming'
By Michael Ausiello / November 30 2014, 7:00 PM PST

walking-dead-season-5.jpg

Warning: The following Q&A contains major spoilers from Sunday’s Walking Dead. Proceed at your own risk.

Well, Rick’s plan worked: Both Carol and Beth were “discharged” from Grady Memorial in The Walking Dead‘s midseason finale Sunday.

But only one of the women — professional death-cheater Carol — left the hospital with a pulse.

Sadly, Beth — played by series regular Emily Kinney — was shot to death by the hospital’s self-appointed dictator Dawn before she made it out of the building. Daryl, in turn, whacked Beth’s murderer in retaliation.

Below, an emotional Kinney — who got choked up several times during our exclusive chat — reveals why she wasn’t ready to say goodbye to her alter ego, speculates on what could’ve been between Beth and Daryl and answers the question on the minds of many fans: Did Maggie forget she had a sister?!

RELATEDWalking Dead Spin-Off: Meet the Survivors (Including a New ‘Andrea’)!

TVLINE | How long have you known that Beth was getting killed off?
Since late August. I found out the day the script [for the episode] came out.

TVLINE | Who told you?
[Showrunner] Scott Gimple.

TVLINE | What was your initial reaction?
I was very sad.

TVLINE | Did you race to read the script right away? Or did you put it off?
[Fighting back tears] I didn’t really feel like reading it. Also, the next day, I still had all of [Episode 5.07] to shoot. All of the Beth scenes you saw last week were done in two days of shooting. [Crying] So I wasn’t anxious to read the next script…

TVLINE | Was it tough to have to shoot all of those scenes right after learning you would be leaving in next episode?
[Crying] Yes.

TVLINE | Are you OK?
Yeah… I’m fine.

TVLINE | Did you reach out to your co-stars for emotional support?
I think the original plan was for everyone to get a call [before they read it in the script]. I know when Scott Wilson was killed off [in Season 4], everyone was called [ahead of time]. And I think Scott Gimple originally [planned to do] that because he had times set up to talk to everyone that day. [But] I know not everyone got called, because some people called me the next morning when they read the script. Like, Norman Reedus and Andy [Lincoln] didn’t get any kind of call or anything like that. [Editor’s note: A source close to the show maintains that Gimple, on set in Atlanta, contacted all cast members either in person or via phone within hours of his meeting with Kinney, well before the script was distributed.]

TVLINE | Was it a comfort to have that support?
Yes.

TVLINE | When you finally did read the script, what was your reaction?
I don’t really remember. At the time I had to deal with all of the logistics, like figuring out what to do with my place. [Crying] I’ve basically lived on and off in Atlanta for four years.

TVLINE | Were you satisfied with how Beth went out?
I think the writing throughout has been great, but I wasn’t ready for it to be over. I think the Beth character, in particular… more could’ve been done with a teenager growing up [in that world]. I did not see it coming at all, especially this season. It’s weird, because I would’ve been OK with [this happening] in the second season or the third season, when I was like, “Oh, maybe this character is coming to a close. What else is there to do with her?” But now I feel differently… I feel like there was still so much more to [explore.], like, what could have happened with Daryl?

TVLINE | Did Scott offer an explanation?
He didn’t, really. I think the whole point is there is no rhyme or reason [to the deaths on the show]. It’s like real-life. Why does that person [die] as opposed to other people? We really don’t quite know why.

TVLINE | Did Daryl’s act of retaliation — killing Dawn after she killed you — warm your heart a little bit?
[Laughs] I don’t know…

TVLINE | Fans have been buzzing about the Daryl-Beth relationship ever since they had that big episode last season. What do you make of their dynamic? Romantic? Brother-sisterly?
They never really told us what it was supposed to be… I think it was a situation where they were getting to know each other. First, they were just trying to get along at all, because I don’t think that they saw each other’s point of view very well. And then as the story went along they maybe became friends, and I do think that it started to sort of go, “Oh, what more could this be? Could it keep going into something else?”

TVLINE | Beth came off as rather noble and almost heroic in this final arc. Was that of some comfort to you, the fact that she went out on such a high note?
[Crying] Yeah. I do feel like she grew up a lot. I do think that she always had it in her. Maybe it wasn’t something the audience could read, but I’d like to think this was a part of her from the beginning. She always had a fight in her.

TVLINE | She certainly wasn’t afraid to stand up to Dawn.
She started to become fearless, like, “I could die at any moment! Whatever!” She would rather be the person she wants to be, strong and fighting for herself, then play the game. She didn’t have anything to lose.

TVLINE | Some fans are wondering why Maggie hasn’t expressed much concern about the whereabouts of her possibly-alive sister prior to tonight’s episode. What’s your theory about that?
It’s a world where they’re losing people a lot. And if you’re going to survive, you can’t sit around mourning for very long. And just because we don’t see those scenes, doesn’t mean those are things that Maggie isn’t going through. You didn’t see a lot of Beth in Season 2 or Season 3, but I was imagining all along what she was feeling and thinking. So just because we don’t see Maggie being upset about where Beth is, that doesn’t mean it’s not on her mind.

TVLINE | What was it like shooting your death scene? Emotional?
Yeah. It was a long day.

TVLINE | Did you have a farewell dinner like the other killed-off regulars did before you?
[Fighting back tears] Yeah, we had a party.

TVLINE | Ten years from now, which castmembers do you think you’ll still be in touch with?
Norman and Lauren [Cohan]. And Scott Wilson. [Crying] And Steven [Yeun].

TVLINE | Do you have a particular fond memory from the past four-plus years?
There’s a lot. [Crying] I can’t pick one.
 
blowhard89 said:
Emily even cried during a print interview. Obviously a very emotional life changing event for her. I guess she really enjoyed her life, role and costars during the show. Note how frequently in italics she is either near tears or actually crying.

Exclusive
Walking Dead Midseason Finale Post Mortem:
Sounds Off on Killer Twist — 'I Did Not See It Coming'
By Michael Ausiello / November 30 2014, 7:00 PM PST

walking-dead-season-5.jpg

Warning: The following Q&A contains major spoilers from Sunday’s Walking Dead. Proceed at your own risk.

Well, Rick’s plan worked: Both Carol and Beth were “discharged” from Grady Memorial in The Walking Dead‘s midseason finale Sunday.

But only one of the women — professional death-cheater Carol — left the hospital with a pulse.

Sadly, Beth — played by series regular Emily Kinney — was shot to death by the hospital’s self-appointed dictator Dawn before she made it out of the building. Daryl, in turn, whacked Beth’s murderer in retaliation.

Below, an emotional Kinney — who got choked up several times during our exclusive chat — reveals why she wasn’t ready to say goodbye to her alter ego, speculates on what could’ve been between Beth and Daryl and answers the question on the minds of many fans: Did Maggie forget she had a sister?!

RELATEDWalking Dead Spin-Off: Meet the Survivors (Including a New ‘Andrea’)!

TVLINE | How long have you known that Beth was getting killed off?
Since late August. I found out the day the script [for the episode] came out.

TVLINE | Who told you?
[Showrunner] Scott Gimple.

TVLINE | What was your initial reaction?
I was very sad.

TVLINE | Did you race to read the script right away? Or did you put it off?
[Fighting back tears] I didn’t really feel like reading it. Also, the next day, I still had all of [Episode 5.07] to shoot. All of the Beth scenes you saw last week were done in two days of shooting. [Crying] So I wasn’t anxious to read the next script…

TVLINE | Was it tough to have to shoot all of those scenes right after learning you would be leaving in next episode?
[Crying] Yes.

TVLINE | Are you OK?
Yeah… I’m fine.

TVLINE | Did you reach out to your co-stars for emotional support?
I think the original plan was for everyone to get a call [before they read it in the script]. I know when Scott Wilson was killed off [in Season 4], everyone was called [ahead of time]. And I think Scott Gimple originally [planned to do] that because he had times set up to talk to everyone that day. [But] I know not everyone got called, because some people called me the next morning when they read the script. Like, Norman Reedus and Andy [Lincoln] didn’t get any kind of call or anything like that. [Editor’s note: A source close to the show maintains that Gimple, on set in Atlanta, contacted all cast members either in person or via phone within hours of his meeting with Kinney, well before the script was distributed.]

TVLINE | Was it a comfort to have that support?
Yes.

TVLINE | When you finally did read the script, what was your reaction?
I don’t really remember. At the time I had to deal with all of the logistics, like figuring out what to do with my place. [Crying] I’ve basically lived on and off in Atlanta for four years.

TVLINE | Were you satisfied with how Beth went out?
I think the writing throughout has been great, but I wasn’t ready for it to be over. I think the Beth character, in particular… more could’ve been done with a teenager growing up [in that world]. I did not see it coming at all, especially this season. It’s weird, because I would’ve been OK with [this happening] in the second season or the third season, when I was like, “Oh, maybe this character is coming to a close. What else is there to do with her?” But now I feel differently… I feel like there was still so much more to [explore.], like, what could have happened with Daryl?

TVLINE | Did Scott offer an explanation?
He didn’t, really. I think the whole point is there is no rhyme or reason [to the deaths on the show]. It’s like real-life. Why does that person [die] as opposed to other people? We really don’t quite know why.

TVLINE | Did Daryl’s act of retaliation — killing Dawn after she killed you — warm your heart a little bit?
[Laughs] I don’t know…

TVLINE | Fans have been buzzing about the Daryl-Beth relationship ever since they had that big episode last season. What do you make of their dynamic? Romantic? Brother-sisterly?
They never really told us what it was supposed to be… I think it was a situation where they were getting to know each other. First, they were just trying to get along at all, because I don’t think that they saw each other’s point of view very well. And then as the story went along they maybe became friends, and I do think that it started to sort of go, “Oh, what more could this be? Could it keep going into something else?”

TVLINE | Beth came off as rather noble and almost heroic in this final arc. Was that of some comfort to you, the fact that she went out on such a high note?
[Crying] Yeah. I do feel like she grew up a lot. I do think that she always had it in her. Maybe it wasn’t something the audience could read, but I’d like to think this was a part of her from the beginning. She always had a fight in her.

TVLINE | She certainly wasn’t afraid to stand up to Dawn.
She started to become fearless, like, “I could die at any moment! Whatever!” She would rather be the person she wants to be, strong and fighting for herself, then play the game. She didn’t have anything to lose.

TVLINE | Some fans are wondering why Maggie hasn’t expressed much concern about the whereabouts of her possibly-alive sister prior to tonight’s episode. What’s your theory about that?
It’s a world where they’re losing people a lot. And if you’re going to survive, you can’t sit around mourning for very long. And just because we don’t see those scenes, doesn’t mean those are things that Maggie isn’t going through. You didn’t see a lot of Beth in Season 2 or Season 3, but I was imagining all along what she was feeling and thinking. So just because we don’t see Maggie being upset about where Beth is, that doesn’t mean it’s not on her mind.

TVLINE | What was it like shooting your death scene? Emotional?
Yeah. It was a long day.

TVLINE | Did you have a farewell dinner like the other killed-off regulars did before you?
[Fighting back tears] Yeah, we had a party.

TVLINE | Ten years from now, which castmembers do you think you’ll still be in touch with?
Norman and Lauren [Cohan]. And Scott Wilson. [Crying] And Steven [Yeun].

TVLINE | Do you have a particular fond memory from the past four-plus years?
There’s a lot. [Crying] I can’t pick one.
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Wow. Poor girl. I still haven't watched Talking Dead yet but I shall. My heart goes out to her. She's been the most emotionally reactive actor so far over their character's death. (That I have seen)
 
up_all_night said:
I still don't think it works. The hopelessness of her situation, maybe carol being there gave her some purpose. However she was rescued.

Although maybe there's some point to. She is standing between the horrible hospital world, and back to the life she had before and decided to end it.

However she actually has no idea what on earth her peoples situation is. For all she would know, they found a new safe home and just came to save her and bring her to it. Surely the fact the last she knew of the group, they were all separated. Daryl was by himself. Then to have them all there together. Her giving up makes no sense.


The actress on talking dead seemed to say she thinks Beth in the moment got over confident. So maybe that is it. She thought she won, she was going to take dawn down, thinking she was clever, she got out.

Just does seem like it is meant to be a waste and that decision ruins any character story arc for her. She was just an idiot who got herself killed in the end apparently.
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I don't think it was overconfidence. I think she knew that if she was going to try to get Dawn killed then there'd be no possible way for her to make it out alive, either, especially with all of the other cops watching. But I don't know, maybe we're not supposed to make sense of this and it's really just bad writing. :p
 
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