THE VIRUS 2020 - the good, the bad, and the ugly

Melbourne locked down very quickly and is now further away from zero covid than it was weeks ago! Auckland also hasn't got back to zero yet. That's the whole point. There's a lot of things that impact transmission. It's not just the timing of lockdowns and restrictions. If the pandemic was that simple it would probably be over by now.
 
Expressive said:
I think some people from other states don't realise that Sydney and Melbourne are international cities. There's a lot of criticism by Queenslanders and people in WA but there are also a lot of reasons why zero covid is more achievable in places like Brisbane or Perth. It's not a fair comparison.
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I think Queensland recieved more international travellers in the last financial year than Vic did thanks to Covid and some faulty hotel guard training. But my comment was actually not to criticise any of the states. I am not sure what you took to be a critism in that post, but nothing was intended to be one.

I think Covid zero was the right strategy for Australia in the past but we obviously are at a change point. I am just musing that if this is no longer the right strategy what should we be aiming to achieve as a country to ensure the wellbeing of everyone?
 
Expressive said:
Melbourne locked down very quickly and is now further away from zero covid than it was weeks ago! Auckland also hasn't got back to zero yet. That's the whole point. There's a lot of things that impact transmission. It's not just the timing of lockdowns and restrictions. If the pandemic was that simple it would probably be over by now.
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I was referring to Sydney. I understand there's more than one factor affecting covid numbers. Poor Melbourne has the disadvantage of higher population density and a premier who wants to rule the whole world! He probably has a lock down machine which he attaches to his head that gives him more power each day Melbourne is in lockdown.

And I'm sure Jacinda "cures cancer and walks on water" Arden will sort out the mess in New Zealand.
 
I know you were referring to Sydney. My point is that reacting quickly doesn't guarantee you will go back to zero and what works in one city might not work in another. Looking unlikely that Melbourne will get to zero covid again and Auckland could go either way. A few weeks ago many people were very confident that the quick reactions would resolve it quickly!
 
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Expressive said:
I know you were referring to Sydney. My point is that reacting quickly doesn't guarantee you will go back to zero and what works in one city might not work in another. It's looking unlikely that Melbourne will get to zero covid again and Auckland could go either way. A few weeks ago many people were very confident that the quick reactions would resolve it quickly.
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Someone should tell the Qld premier that. Seems she's prepared to ruin businesses on the border for political points.

Do you think Australia is becoming a police state? I do.
 
Isee said:
I think Queensland recieved more international travellers in the last financial year than Vic did thanks to Covid and some faulty hotel guard training. But my comment was actually not to criticise any of the states. I am not sure what you took to be a critism in that post, but nothing was intended to be one.

I think Covid zero was the right strategy for Australia in the past but we obviously are at a change point. I am just musing that if this is no longer the right strategy what should we be aiming to achieve as a country to ensure the wellbeing of everyone?
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No criticism taken. My post was more about the type of things I hear people from other states saying. Not you yourself. I think it's a lot more difficult to manage an outbreak in somewhere like Sydney or Melbourne than somewhere smaller like Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth. There's population size, demographics, housing, socioeconomic inequalities. Not saying the smaller cities don't have those things. I just think those factors have more influence in bigger cities because they are usually more diverse.
 
Expressive said:
Melbourne locked down very quickly and is now further away from zero covid than it was weeks ago! Auckland also hasn't got back to zero yet. That's the whole point. There's a lot of things that impact transmission. It's not just the timing of lockdowns and restrictions. If the pandemic was that simple it would probably be over by now.
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Aucklands first case was just over 14 days ago now. The longest lockdown I think NZ has had was I think 28 days maybe a little more right at the beginning of the pandemic.
 
Here (Germany) you now need a pass to be able to do a whole bunch of things - have something inside a cafe/restaurant, go to a pool, cinema etc.
Pass has to show you are vaxd, recovered or tested negative in the last 24 hours.
 
Expressive said:
No criticism taken. My post was more about the type of things I hear people from other states saying. Not you yourself. I think it's a lot more difficult to manage an outbreak in somewhere like Sydney or Melbourne than somewhere smaller like Brisbane, Adelaide, Perth. There's population size, demographics, housing, socioeconomic inequalities. Not saying the smaller cities don't have those things. I just think those factors have more influence in bigger cities because they are generally more diverse.
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I have always said it is more luck than management that SA is in good shape. Although during Delta I have been impressed with Marshall's swift response to Covid, and I am no Marshall fan! But yes we do have it a lot easier than more densely populated states. We do have the complexity of so many borders though.
 
Columbo said:
And I'm sure Jacinda "cures cancer and walks on water" Arden will sort out the mess in New Zealand.
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Give Aunt Cindy a break she has to be sombre again tonight due to a knife weilding idiot down the road from where I grew up.
 
It's scary how these premiers are using covid to enforce their police state dictatorships and how we are all just blithely take it as the powerful suck on the teat of tyranny.
 
Columbo said:
It's scary how these premiers are using covid to enforce their police state dictatorships and how we are all just blithely take it as the powerful suck on the teat of tyranny.
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So what do you think the answer is?
 
If covid didn't happen I wonder if we would've seen more from the Pussycat Dolls reunion. I'm still waiting for a time where I can dance with my friends to React in a club.

 
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