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The Traitors

Wednesdays' episode was a rare occasion where I watched an hour of TV without once checking my phone. Just superb.
 
Another superb eoisode - the latest recruit took to the role perfectly and is now in orime position to win. They've also played the perfect tactics in how to deal with the shield being held by one unknown person in another group, realising it's a perfect opportunity to frame somebody and if they miss so what, that just causes a bit of chaos.
 
Speculation the twist this week will be introducing the role if The Seer, which will give one person the ability to discover the true identity of one player.
 
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Speculation the twist this week will be introducing the role if The Seer, which will give one person the ability to discover the true identity of one player.
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Interesting...

Would definitely play into the "at the final, you don't reveal your Traitor/Faithful status" thing. Makes the twist a double-edged sword, since if you insist someone is a Traitor, it becomes "well how do you know? are you also a Traitor?".

I assume they'll be forbidden to say how they know.
 
The episode played out beautifully and set up the final perfectly though I'm still frustrated that the twist of not revealing their identities in the final will deny us many moments tonight, whether that's the remaining faithful finding out the identity of a traitor or having to really look at each other should they banish faithful after faithful.
 
Damn it.

I'd found myself really wanting to see Frankie win some of the prize money in the second half of the season.

Charlotte's comment about Frankie at the firepit did her in, and was a filthy comment from her. It alone would've been enough of a seed to see Frankie banished at the firepit - which would mean that Charlotte was already out of the game. Low blow to ensure that they both didn't win.
 
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Seer played out meant you'd be dumb to risk leaving either of the two involved in the end game. Just not worth the risk.

If they do that twist again I think it needs to be earlier in the game and in secret.
 
Whilst very much acknowledging recency bias is a thing my updated ranking is as follows.

  1. UK3
  2. NZ2
  3. UK2
  4. AU1
  5. UK1
  6. US1
  7. NZ1
  8. US2
  9. AU2
  10. CAN1
  11. CAN2
... and unless the third US season really improved in the second half of the series it'll be slotting into 12th place.

So glad I watched this UK run on my own terms and away from Twitler. The fandom there seems to be as toxic as it's owner.
 
I enjoyed CAN2, but only because the Faithfuls were so damn terrible. It was quite amusing watching them get it so wrong. And Tranna hypocritically going around naming Cedric as the one causing distractions and chaos.

But it terms of quality gameplay, it was fucking terrible.
 
Usually once such a show is done I instantly forget about it but was randomly thinking about The Traitors in the car earlier today and how it wasn't really the Seer twist that cost Charlotte (as that vote from Freddie had already done her in) but the way she double crossed Freddie in the first place, taking out someone who might support her in the end to victory. She needed to take him to the final to cut him at final three, not at the first opportunity.

Murdering a shielded player at that stage was no advantage either - not only gave her an extra hurdle to jump and caused the betrayal with Freddie, but changed the course of the end game. If they'd murdered Jake and then banished Alexander I think the suspicion for the Seer twist from Frankie would have been on Leanne.

We won't know how that twist would have played out if Frankie had chosen a Faithful and in that scenario a 2-2 vote is possible but certainly think Leanne would have been persuadeable to vote out Frankie and if not Frankie and Leanne would likely have voted out Freddie ahead of Charlotte, so she can switch her vote accordingly. The danger then would be Frankie only wanting to go to the end with the person she knows for sure is Faithful, but again I think that's a position where Leanne could probably be manipulated into voting against Frankie.
 
I hope the next series (whether its UK4 or Celeb), they come up with something new rather than reworking The Seer. The show is at its best when the players don't know what to expect.

A "how faithful of a faithful are you" power could be mildly interesting to watch. A power where right at the end of the game (same point that The Seer happened), a Faithful can secretly choose to defect and become a Traitor if they have no faith in the Faithfuls winning the game and think they'll have a better chance of winning some of the prize money that way. Would put all the other players into a spin, especially if the defector's identity is withheld from the remaining Traitor(s) as well since there is no more meetings in the turret.
 
It's inevitable the Seer will return at some point but I think it'll be reworked - almost certainly be done in secret and hopefully earlier. Could be a two way thing too where the winner has to reveal their true identity to the person they choose as well.

I'd imagine the celeb version will be relatively twist free for it's first series.
 
Felt the US version was better this week, perhaps because I'm no longer watching in the shadow of the UK series, but for a group of self-proclaimed Traitors this is probably the worst group to ever meet in the Turrett. I'm not even convinced Danielle has seen the show before. They are all making simple mistakes on a daily basis.


And backing up to that last comment on the Seer flipping the role so they compete for the opportunity to reveal to another player if they're a Faithful or Traitor invites the option for a Traitor having to openly throw a mission too.
 
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Think this group of Traitors is the worst the franchise has seen. For a cast of reality TV gameplayers they are terrible.
 
I have thoughts on the UK final (that I only just finished on 10Play). What I saw as a fatal flaw of logic, and something Frankie should have vehemently defended, is that Frankie, as The Seer would not have revealed herself to Charlotte as a traitor (if she happened to be one). The Seer revealing their true identity was not part of the arrangement, and anyone would be insane to do so. If only Frankie had just said to the others at the breakfast table "Why would I have told Charlotte whether I was a traitor or not? I had no obligation to reveal anything; what she's saying doesn't make sense," and just nip all the paranoid accusations in the bud. There's no logic to it when the entire game is about not revealing your identity as a traitor. Why would you fall at the last hurdle for no reason? And in the case of them potentially both being suspected as traitors, the others would know it's against the rules to overtly point the finger at another traitor, so there goes that theory. In the scenario where Charlotte revealed herself as a faithful, I think it would have been totally against character for Frankie to try and frame her as a traitor. They would have emerged with their detective hats on (even if Charlotte, if a faithful, still had suspicions about Frankie) suspecting the others. Also, yes it's a game, but I do think Charlotte did stoop too low with her false accusations considering she and Frankie were supposed to be friends.
 
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