Post BB - Housemate Antics 2013

[BlackJungle]

I think you're really overreaching and I am fascinated by the way you've put 'lesbian' in italics. Got an issue?
At any stage has Drew or Tully indicated that Drew was not welcome to set her Sydney friends? And do we really know what goes on in Melbourne? FWB sounds fun, but how the fuck would we know?
I get that we come here to gossip, but sometimes this just seems like the narrow-minded tightarse club.
And BTW, Tully drives me nuts on occasions too. But it seems to me where people are concerned she is generous to a fault. That's her problem because it appears she's afraid of losing people. I wonder why that could be...

Overreaching? Fascinated?

Okay for starters I'll address my issue with lesbians. Tully is someone who categorically defined herself as a 'lesbian' when she's in a same-sex relationship and 'bisexual' when she's with a guy. Personally, as someone who has identified as bisexual for the entirety of their adult life, I find this this sort of attitude to be both demeaning and extremely problematic for the LGBTI community.

In addition one of her friends (I hope my use of italics doesn't offend you) posted at the height of the Drully scandal in the house that Tully "said to me a year ago that BI doesn't exist and that I needed to make a choice". Again, I assume I don't need to explain why I find someone who claims to want equality and acceptance of all expressing such an opinion to be offensive do I?

Y0u are right though. We ultimately know nothing about the state of their relationship. Personally I think the fact that his friends are spending the week with Tully in Sydney while he has barely met a friend of hers (outside of Daz once and that weird/awkward meeting with that group one time back in November) speaks volumes about where their problems were and who was accepting of who. Just my reading of the situation though.

In addition I've stated before that I have no idea what goes on with them in Melbourne. Given their relationship in the house and that they've never been just friends, I find it hard to see that a relationship which seems to include overnight stays at hotel rooms and weekends spent with her sleeping at Drew's place to be simply platonic friends.

As far as overreaching goes though, who are these people she is generous to a fault towards? Drew? Tahlia? Jazz? I get that you want to always be on Tully's side but I'm not sure if my pointing out what I perceive as her hypocrisies constitutes a call out.

 

[Sweetgeek]

I'm confused. Seriously I am. I always thought tully hated labels and I thought she wrote on her blog something about dating both males and females, so I never thought she was just a lesbian. I knew nothing about a friend of hers that said that and went by what tully has stated. Is it possible if she has said that to a friend that she felt she had to make a choice and she's realised she is attracted to both sexes after all?

Edit: tahlia and tully dated for 2 years and they have remained friends even after how things ended, tully and drew were friends in the house but obviously there is more there. Doesn't mean they can't be classified as friends though

 

[prufrock]

Overreaching? Fascinated?

Okay for starters I'll address my issue with lesbians. Tully is someone who categorically defined herself as a 'lesbian' when she's in a same-sex relationship and 'bisexual' when she's with a guy. Personally, as someone who has identified as bisexual for the entirety of their adult life, I find this this sort of attitude to be both demeaning and extremely problematic for the LGBTI community.

In addition one of her friends (I hope my use of italics doesn't offend you) posted at the height of the Drully scandal in the house that Tully "said to me a year ago that BI doesn't exist and that I needed to make a choice". Again, I assume I don't need to explain why I find someone who claims to want equality and acceptance of all expressing such an opinion to be offensive do I?

Y0u are right though. We ultimately know nothing about the state of their relationship. Personally I think the fact that his friends are spending the week with Tully in Sydney while he has barely met a friend of hers (outside of Daz once and that weird/awkward meeting with that group one time back in November) speaks volumes about where their problems were and who was accepting of who. Just my reading of the situation though.

In addition I've stated before that I have no idea what goes on with them in Melbourne. Given their relationship in the house and that they've never been just friends, I find it hard to see that a relationship which seems to include overnight stays at hotel rooms and weekends spent with her sleeping at Drew's place to be simply platonic friends.

As far as overreaching goes though, who are these people she is generous to a fault towards? Drew? Tahlia? Jazz? I get that you want to always be on Tully's side but I'm not sure if my pointing out what I perceive as her hypocrisies constitutes a call out.

I don't know if you want to bother but if you read back through this thread you'll see I'm often not on Tully's side. (Drew is another matter.) I do however have issues with people who claim to know what she's doing and saying in private, especially when they then make judgemental calls..
I am also more wary of accepting second hand evidence as fact...so while I don't discount the idea that Tully said that people had to make a choice, i haven't heard her say it. Her serial enthusiasms certainly make it plausible. I respect that you found it offensive. I just find it incredibly naive, but then I haven't walked a mile in your shoes.

 

[prufrock]

I'm confused. Seriously I am. I always thought tully hated labels and I thought she wrote on her blog something about dating both males and females, so I never thought she was just a lesbian. I knew nothing about a friend of hers that said that and went by what tully has stated. Is it possible if she has said that to a friend that she felt she had to make a choice and she's realised she is attracted to both sexes after all?

Edit: tahlia and tully dated for 2 years and they have remained friends even after how things ended, tully and drew were friends in the house but obviously there is more there. Doesn't mean they can't be classified as friends though

I think that BBAU decided she was a lesbian. Everyone has a label on BB.

 

[Stephy18]

I'm confused. Seriously I am. I always thought tully hated labels and I thought she wrote on her blog something about dating both males and females, so I never thought she was just a lesbian. I knew nothing about a friend of hers that said that and went by what tully has stated. Is it possible if she has said that to a friend that she felt she had to make a choice and she's realised she is attracted to both sexes after all?

Edit: tahlia and tully dated for 2 years and they have remained friends even after how things ended, tully and drew were friends in the house but obviously there is more there. Doesn't mean they can't be classified as friends though

Amen.

 

[BlackJungle]

I don't know if you want to bother but if you read back through this thread you'll see I'm often not on Tully's side. (Drew is another matter.) I do however have issues with people who claim to know what she's doing and saying in private, especially when they then make judgemental calls..
I am also more wary of accepting second hand evidence as fact...so while I don't discount the idea that Tully said that people had to make a choice, i haven't heard her say it. Her serial enthusiasms certainly make it plausible. I respect that you found it offensive. I just find it incredibly naive, but then I haven't walked a mile in your shoes.

Fair enough; we have some common ground (if just because Drew was my fav too). Agree to disagree and all that stuff (and I hope this argument didn't disrupt your Friday night!).

 

[Sweetgeek]

I think that BBAU decided she was a lesbian. Everyone has a label on BB.

That sounds about right, they were intent on pushing for one dimensional characters in the house last year.

 

[delcan]

I think that BBAU decided she was a lesbian. Everyone has a label on BB.

This was her intro video. She says she is a lesbian, so I do understand people's confusion

 

[prufrock]

That sounds about right, they were intent on pushing for one dimensional characters in the house last year.

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Fair enough; we have some common ground (if just because Drew was my fav too). Agree to disagree and all that stuff (and I hope this argument didn't disrupt your Friday night!).

No worries at all. I like a robust discussion.

 

[littlebear]

Edit: tahlia and tully dated for 2 years and they have remained friends even after how things ended, tully and drew were friends in the house but obviously there is more there. Doesn't mean they can't be classified as friends though

Yes. And what I think is being discounted here is that she seems to have an awful lot of people who actually know her in real life--including some whose opinions would seem to be pretty respected here--who think a lot of her as a person. Are they all that naive, or shitty people themselves? Is she that much of a master manipulator--yet can't fool strangers who only "know" her from TV and social media? Not bloody likely. She has many, many, MANY flaws, there is no doubt about that, but I think the standard she's held up against around here sometimes is absurd.

 

[BlackJungle]

Yes. And what I think is being discounted here is that she seems to have an awful lot of people who actually know her in real life--including some whose opinions would seem to be pretty respected here--who think a lot of her as a person. Are they all that naive, or shitty people themselves? Is she that much of a master manipulator--yet can't fool strangers who only "know" her from TV and social media? Not bloody likely. She has many, many, MANY flaws, there is no doubt about that, but I think the standard she's held up against around here sometimes is absurd.

Just genuinely curious, not trying to start another argument, but who are these people that are respected here?

 

[chinnii]

What really bothering me is why Drew still puts up with this? Why does he always needs to be there? Be her +1 in events, visits shops/hotels that she promotes, accompany her in hair and makeup, even let her stay in his place.. I know Tully said it's a lesbian thing to be friends with EX and the ex's new girl and the ex's ex but Drew, I assume he's the type who moves forward and don't look back (even more convinced when he and Hannah unfollowed Tully in insta and facebook(fp)). But I guess it also speaks volume of what kind of person he is - in a good way! And to be fair, Tully must have done something good that he and his friends are STILL besties/welcoming of her regardless of how messy their setup is.

P.S.
Sorry for the Drew Appreciation post.

 

[camerashy1]

P.S.
Sorry for the Drew Appreciation post.

time for a thread name change maybe?

 

[Pookie]

Yes just call this the Tully and her people obsession thread and be done with it. All power to Heidi, Mikkayla and all the other HMs who have got over themselves and are moving ahead.

 

[littlebear]

Just genuinely curious, not trying to start another argument, but who are these people that are respected here?

It's already been covered here, but basically I meant Drew (and by extension, his friends). Yeah, they've clearly had their ups and downs, but it's back to the can't have it both ways thing. Is Drew amazing or is he a dupe with no autonomy? Anyway, yeah, I definitely don't want to start another argument. I'm sure it seems like fangirling when most people here don't like her at all, but I'm honestly just trying to look at things reasonably.

 

[Mooseface]

So now we all have to have 'real jobs'? What exactly are they? Is Jade's Footy Show job 'real'. She gets to wear shorts, seat guests and ogle rugby league player. But it gives her an income. So does Tully's job. It might not be to your liking, but it's work.

My view is while yes Tully has a job, is earning money etc, nevertheless compared to some, the way she is doing it is slightly 'déclassé' - to use a word I heard recently on this forum, hadn't heard recently in our tell-all social media society, but found it rather apt.

 

[Jt193]

I have really enjoyed reading this discussion. I have agreed with you all in the most part even though your opinions differ on some points. Everyone seems to have made a valid point. It has been a refreshing and stimulating discussion and I have loved how it did not get nasty. I have just enjoyed being a spectator - no guts I suppose but what the heck it was fun to sit back and enjoy the conversation. I

Btw love the new emoji - too many to choose from

 

[Gemini]

I think you're really overreaching and I am fascinated by the way you've put 'lesbian' in italics. Got an issue?
At any stage has Drew or Tully indicated that Drew was not welcome to set her Sydney friends? And do we really know what goes on in Melbourne? FWB sounds fun, but how the fuck would we know?
I get that we come here to gossip, but sometimes this just seems like the narrow-minded tightarse club.
And BTW, Tully drives me nuts on occasions too. But it seems to me where people are concerned she is generous to a fault. That's her problem because it appears she's afraid of losing people. I wonder why that could be...

While I can understand what you're saying, Bottom line is, we all make assumptions about the HMs' characters based on what we saw on the show and afterwards through social media updates.

You have yourself...you've expressed negative opinions about Tim, Jade, and any other HMs based on the information and assumptions you've drawn about them from your viewing of the show and following their updates. Just as others have expressed negative opinions about Tully based on the information and assumptions they've drawn from the same mediums. What's the difference here? Is it because you don't like this opinion so all of a sudden people are narrow-minded tightarses? Just like how you forbid people to post pictures of their pets because you're highly opposed to "cute" but encourage people to post pictures of wrens because you like/approve of them? Maybe we should all take a look at our own behaviour and innate biases before calling anyone a narrow-minded tightarse or trying to dictate what anyone is allowed to post or express an opinion about.

 

[Jt193]

Tee_smyth. Here's trouble! @officialbbau9
#housematehunt #jadesboobs

BB auditions in Sydney today. Tim, Jade and Tully are there

 

[Gemini]

^ I should just add to that (damn no edit button anymore!) that I understand going into defensive mode when you feel a favourite of yours is getting unfair criticism. I know as a fan of Jade I've copped crap before for coming in and defending her when I felt the amount of criticism she was copping was going over the top and starting to stem more from people's assumptions rather than anything we actually saw (despite people accusing me of thinking she's "perfect") . At the end of the day though I've realised that people are going to keep making assumptions and making their own opinions based on what info we do get access to because really that's all we've got.