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TullyLovesDrew said:
only because he tries to deceive people, Boog is out playing the field and drinking a lot, going to clubs a lot but I like her. The reason I like her is that she is genuine, she says this is what I'm doing, I'm out having fun. She doesn't try to pretend to be something different and whatever she does she owns up to it. If Ed behaved in this manner I wouldn't have a problem with him, if he said on "day dot" look Jade you are a nice gewl but I'm not interested in having a relationship with you I would have respected that but using her and judging the other remaining HM's when in fact his character is worse than theirs really irritates me.
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This is exactly how I feel, perfectly put. He is. I different to boog in partying, getting drunk beyond comprehension, doing it all over again the next day. But it's this bullshit he tries to pretend he isn't this way which turns me off and he did things like this in the house so I don't see how he would be different now. And he is no different now.
 
Sweet_Geek said:
This is exactly how I feel, perfectly put. He is. I different to boog in partying, getting drunk beyond comprehension, doing it all over again the next day. But it's this bullshit he tries to pretend he isn't this way which turns me off and he did things like this in the house so I don't see how he would be different now. And he is no different now.
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But Sweet Geek, how do you know he's trying to deceive someone?
 
prufrock said:
But Sweet Geek, how do you know he's trying to deceive someone?
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I don't. I have to go by what I saw in the house. To me, he wasn't being himself and was trying to hide the things he was to build this completely different perception of himself. He is still doing it IMO. He isn't with jade, he never wanted to commit or see how it will go. He couldn't be upfront then and even now he took his sweet ass time because public perception is all he cares for. Don't worry, I have my opinions on jade about this too, I'm not laying the blame on him on that relationship. But looking at this as him truly being himself, he is trying to hard to show otherwise and that's what the issue is. He is too afraid of just being and that's what has a lot of people second guessing his actions.
 
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No! Just no!

She must have the biggest wedgie!
 
Sweet_Geek said:
I don't. I have to go by what I saw in the house. To me, he wasn't being himself and was trying to hide the things he was to build this completely different perception of himself. He is still doing it IMO. He isn't with jade, he never wanted to commit or see how it will go. He couldn't be upfront then and even now he took his sweet ass time because public perception is all he cares for. Don't worry, I have my opinions on jade about this too, I'm not laying the blame on him on that relationship. But looking at this as him truly being himself, he is trying to hard to show otherwise and that's what the issue is. He is too afraid of just being and that's what has a lot of people second guessing his actions.
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I know there has been speculation that they're not together, but you don't know that. I would also say ed is being entirely himself I suspect. He is heavily involved in a certain type of sporting culture and he is performing by the book: He goes out, has drinks, may get drunk, talks to girls and has a good time. What about that isa pretence. And has anyone thought that at the moment if they are no longer together, Jade could call it? Why is someone as harmless as ed being demonised? He's so ridiculously ordinary. (Apologies to Ed in this case.)
SG…I think this is an interesting discussion. I promise I'm not attacking.
 
prufrock said:
I know there has been speculation that they're not together, but you don't know that. I would also say ed is being entirely himself I suspect. He is heavily involved in a certain type of sporting culture and he is performing by the book: He goes out, has drinks, may get drunk, talks to girls and has a good time. What about that isa pretence. And has anyone thought that at the moment if they are no longer together, Jade could call it? Why is someone as harmless as ed being demonised? He's so ridiculously ordinary. (Apologies to Ed in this case.)
SG…I think this is an interesting discussion. I promise I'm not attacking.
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Before I get started... Attack away! This is when I am at my best too, because it only ignites the argumentative side of me.

Okay... I will try my utter best to not drag this out and not create too many of my own speculations and what I think is really happening.

Was there any real confirmation that they were together? No. So my speculation of them not being together still has ground. Only thing we know is they are 'seeing what happens'. there is no real grounds as to why they are together is more suggestible than them not being together. Yes, he may be in a sporting culture where his future career relies on discreetness and a code of conduct that must be upheld. But I still fail to see how him promoting his affairs with jade and meeting of friends and family with her along for the ride is ok, but going out and getting drunk and putting himself in a situation where he is out of control is also ok when he has created this fantasy that him and jade are together. His is not speculating, this is as I have seen him on the social media. He has promoted an idea of jade and him but maintained a getting to know each other phase. He has gone out and gotten drunk with his friends and that's fine, but since he created this warped idea he is with jade, and since we know how he can be when drunk- in the house he was quite wild and he did kiss jade at those times and only those times mind you- well it doesn't seem he is together with jade, does it? So in saying that, to give jade the idea that something could have been but then replying to the girl who said say hi to jade, 'I will what's your name', seems like a jack ass move IMO.

Ed is a boring jock, I agree. But he isn't being demonised IMO. But he had a huge opinion on what was right and wrong and how people should behave and act in the house, he placed himself on a pedestal to be judged upon. He made himself (or tried to), the alpha male in the house, as if he would call the appropriateness of what it was to be a bb hm. This pissed off the masses and it did with me too. If you expect perfect behaviour, well you must be representing that, right? But he contradicted this for me in the house and he continues to do so out of the house. I don't know how else to further explain myself here, but that's my issue with it all. He is not perfect and rather just show that he continually has to keep up a guise now and maintain what he built in the house because he is too worried about public perception.
 
I never had ahuge problem with him besides being a bit self righteous. Though the whole caped crusader routine against tim was ridiculous. Ignoring him would work alot better.
 
Cameron Gaffney said:
I never had ahuge problem with him besides being a bit self righteous. Though the whole caped crusader routine against tim was ridiculous. Ignoring him would work alot better.
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You basically summed my issue in that short sentence- unbelievable!

Mine took a whole season of pages of nothing, ha!
 
@SweetGeek Whether Ed and Jade are together now is certainly a cause for speculation, but I think it's disingenuous to say they weren't together. Ed may have initially been reluctant, but he went there, and towards the end of their time in the house it wasn't just when Ed was drunk. I hold the opposite view to you re. his socialising. He seems to be hiding nothing and I would suggest that this is because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong and as you say, he's very aware of discretion in regard to relationships. If I was in a long distance relationship I'd be reassured that he was out having a good time openly. He's with his brother and his mates. As I said, it seems like pretty normal behaviour to me.
 
I don't think he's a bad guy, but I never liked how his lack of spine or inability to make a stance always ended up hurting Jade. He'd go around telling anyone who would listen how uninterested he was in her, he blamed all of the attraction on her, however at the same time he wasn't portraying that same level of disinterest to Jade. Instead he was wanting to share a bed with her, kissing her at Friday night parties etc. He sat around and laughed while the others made fun of her incessantly behind her back because of it, but at the same time he continued to feed and encourage her feelings. I'm not sure if Ed really didn't like her and was too scared of looking like the bad guy to say so, or if he actually did but was too scared of his friend's (and the public's) reactions to admit it...but either way his lack of guts certainly did Jade no favours.
 
prufrock said:
@SweetGeek Whether Ed and Jade are together now is certainly a cause for speculation, but I think it's disingenuous to say they weren't together. Ed may have initially been reluctant, but he went there, and towards the end of their time in the house it wasn't just when Ed was drunk. I hold the opposite view to you re. his socialising. He seems to be hiding nothing and I would suggest that this is because he doesn't think he's doing anything wrong and as you say, he's very aware of discretion in regard to relationships. If I was in a long distance relationship I'd be reassured that he was out having a good time openly. He's with his brother and his mates. As I said, it seems like pretty normal behaviour to me.
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I don't think it's disingenuous at all. When I say they weren't together, I mean as a real couple, boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. Which is why I said all we know is of them saying they are getting to know one another- for me that doesn't mean together as there is no committed relationship in this. What one person sees as together is not for another.

I'll be completely honest and say I don't give much thought to jade and eds relationship, but I do have opinions on it too. I don't look at every update on them because the speculations from it drive me up the wall. No other hm's are analysed as much and I feel ridiculous atm by even contributing to this, given my feelings on it. But here I am, and to say it as politely as I can, ed cares about perception and therefore if he was with jade he would say so just so people would approve of it because it's jade the sweetheart, but he doesn't do that and for me because I truly think he does not want to commit.

Edit: it's not normal behaviour for me if he was a taken man, but that's my stance and not for everyone else
 
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Ill say from a blokes point of view at first the response was very normal for someone your attracted to. But the whole flip out backtrack and other stuff reeked of fear of looking stupid.
 
Cameron Gaffney said:
Ill say from a blokes point of view at first the response was very normal for someone your attracted to. But the whole flip out backtrack and other stuff reeked of fear of looking stupid.
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We need more perspective from men on this I think. I think he was attracted to her, but wasn't wanting the clingy side of it, so was happy for people to see it was jade doing the clingy side whilst he was wanting the fun side of a hook up
 
Sweet_Geek said:
I don't think it's disingenuous at all. When I say they weren't together, I mean as a real couple, boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. Which is why I said all we know is of them saying they are getting to know one another- for me that doesn't mean together as there is no committed relationship in this. What one person sees as together is not for another.

I'll be completely honest and say I don't give much thought to jade and eds relationship, but I do have opinions on it too. I don't look at every update on them because the speculations from it drive me up the wall. No other hm's are analysed as much and I feel ridiculous atm by even contributing to this, given my feelings on it. But here I am, and to say it as politely as I can, ed cares about perception and therefore if he was with jade he would say so just so people would approve of it because it's jade the sweetheart, but he doesn't do that and for me because I truly think he does not want to commit.

Edit: it's not normal behaviour for me if he was a taken man, but that's my stance and not for everyone else
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I'm feeling a bit ridiculous too. I'm always chagrined when I realise I'm defending Ed, whom I spent almost no time thinking about during the entirety of BB. I was really pleased when Boogs turned up :)
 
prufrock said:
I'm feeling a bit ridiculous too. I'm always chagrined when I realise I'm defending Ed, whom I spent almost no time thinking about during the entirety of BB. I was really pleased when Boogs turned up :)
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Can we blame this on there was nothing else up for discussion and since there is a lack of bb gossip, that's why we went down this road? It would make me feel a whole lot less ridiculous. Also, I wasn't making this a jade vs ed thing, it was only a ed thing and my mind not letting go that he could be this simple. Geez, this makes me sound like a complicated woman. I'm not always.

Boog added the zest that was very needed in that house. It was becoming a little one dimensional at one point and she threw a spanner in the works and every hm responded differently.
 
Sweet_Geek said:
I don't. I have to go by what I saw in the house. To me, he wasn't being himself and was trying to hide the things he was to build this completely different perception of himself. He is still doing it IMO. He isn't with jade, he never wanted to commit or see how it will go. He couldn't be upfront then and even now he took his sweet ass time because public perception is all he cares for. Don't worry, I have my opinions on jade about this too, I'm not laying the blame on him on that relationship. But looking at this as him truly being himself, he is trying to hard to show otherwise and that's what the issue is. He is too afraid of just being and that's what has a lot of people second guessing his actions.
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Well Said !!!
 
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