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Hahaha omg @TraLa, it's like we are on the same path today, posting at the same time (differing interpretations and all bit weird that we both happen to have posted at the same time).

I am only now realising how much I have missed forum debate over the last few months...

I guess the only real difference is you found the delivery of the message in the post respectful and admirable and I found it disrespectful and oppressive. So while we may be on the same path, it would appear we are moving in opposite directions!

Ha!
 
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Don't let Robin Williams' death be in vain - get and accept help for depression, my article @perthnow http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/opinion/heidi-anderson-get-and-accept-help-for-depression-dont-let-robin-williams-death-be-in-vain/story-fnhocuug-1227022317053…


Heidi Anderson: Get and accept help for depression, don’t let Robin Williams’ death be in vain

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  • August 13, 2014 12:00AM

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Oscar-winning actor and comedian Robin Williams has died aged 63 after a battle with depression.

HEARING the news yesterday that Robin Williams was found dead, at the age of 63, just broke my heart.

A funny man loved by all his fans, friends and family. To hear Williams had a long battle with depression that took his life in the end has left me feeling empty, sad and helpless.

Some of us will never understand depression. I have grown up with it.

It’s something I wouldn’t wish upon anyone. My brother had depression when we were in high school and recently my mum and I were diagnosed with mild depression and anxiety.

It sucks. There is a feeling of emptiness and loneliness within that you just cannot shake. Some of us get through it and get the help we need and others don’t.

My grandma, who I never got to meet, took her own life when my Dad was only a small child. This is something that my Dad and our family have had to live with forever.

My Dad is still affected by his mother’s death from over 55 years ago. He still has unanswered questions. Just writing this brings tears to my eyes.

My Dad never got to know his Mum. He never got those precious kisses and cuddles that I still get from my mum. He grew up without the leading lady in his life. Something I will never understand.

My mum messaged me yesterday morning about Robin Williams — she is as gutted as I am about his passing. We both loved him for his talent, wit, humour and laugh.

I said to mum, “this makes me want to change society”. I want to change society and its perception of depression and suicide.

I don’t want Williams’ death to be in vain — he had an illness that sadly wasn’t cured.

Depression is the leading cause of disability worldwide. In Australia, it is estimated that 45 per cent of people will experience a mental health condition in their lifetime. In any one year, around 1 million Australian adults will have depression.


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Actor Robin Williams poses for a portrait during the 35th Annual People’s Choice Awards held at the Shrine Auditorium on January 7, 2009 in Los Angeles, California. Picture: Getty

Susan Schneider and fiancee Robin Williams pose backstage at the hit play “Bengal Tiger at The Baghdad Zoo” on Broadway at The Richard Rogers Theater on June 15, 2011 in New York City. Picture: Getty
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The facts on suicide alone blow me away — it remains the leading cause of death for Australians aged between 15 and 44. Men account for three out of every four deaths by suicide; this could’ve been my brother. That’s what haunts me.

My mum did reply back to my message and I would like to share it with you. She’s a strong, beautiful, intelligent woman — who in my eyes is wise beyond her years.

This was my Mum’s response:

“The only way we can change society, is by using this sadness that we’ve all felt by losing Robin to push for people to get and accept help.”

This feeling of sadness and helplessness is why I felt I had to write this piece today. I’ve lost too many people to suicide already — my Grandma and a close friend a few years back.

My Dad lost his Mum, and Robin Williams’ family and friends have lost their Dad, husband and best friend, and the world has lost a great man with phenomenal talent.

If you feel you need to speak to someone, or you know someone who needs help, please get in touch with your local GP, and call Lifeline on 13 11 14.

We’re only here for a short time, not a long time.

I want to leave you with a quote from Stephen Fry:

“If you know someone who’s depressed, please resolve never to ask them why. Depression isn’t a straightforward response to a bad situation; depression just is, like the weather.

“Try to understand the blackness, lethargy, hopelessness, and loneliness they’re going through. Be there for them when they come through the other side.

“It’s hard to be a friend to someone who’s depressed, but it is one of the kindest, noblest, and best things you will ever do.”

You can hear Heidi Anderson this morning on 92.9 FM’s Breakfast with Heidi, Will & Woody.
 
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I would never arrogantly preach to those who do their best to devoutly follow Christianity/Buddhism/Hinduism/Islam/insert religion

Fair enough that you wouldn't but I was just acting in a way religious people might be used to. You know, how they go around proselytising and stuff.


... We need to accept and respect the difference and diversity of culture and religion.

I accept that people have different ideas, but I don't respect a religion/culture that for example advocates harming someone for being gay or treats women as second class citizens who can't vote or even walk about in public on their own. Honestly, if you're at all rational you would have to see a problem with that.

Just because something is different, doesn't make it good or worthy of acceptance.


Tim has every right to have his belief, to share his belief, but to dictate that his belief is the only belief and therefore every other belief is an example of oppression and tyranny, is oppressive in itself.

I don't quite get what you're saying here. Are you saying that Tim is being oppressive? Or are you saying that I'm the problem when I disagree with someone who want's to impinge on other people's rights?


I find your opinion to be disrespectful to people in here who have a religious faith.
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I agree, I don't respect many religious views. Why should I? The Catholic church says contraception is wrong. How the hell would I respect that? There a plethora of things you can look at in all religions which most good thinking people would disagree with.


Annnnnyyyywayyy- I don't want to start a religious flame war haha. So I'll leave it that unless someone has a specific question they want answered.
 
Fair enough that you wouldn't but I was just acting in a way religious people might be used to. You know, how they go around proselytising and stuff.

Massive inaccurate generalisation which in fact says more about you than these "religious people" you speak of.


I accept that people have different ideas, but I don't respect a religion/culture that for example advocates harming someone for being gay or treats women as second class citizens who can't vote or even walk about in public on their own. Honestly, if you're at all rational you would have to see a problem with that.

Just because something is different, doesn't make it good or worthy of acceptance.

I am a nurse who works in a hospital. If you have been in a hospital lately you will have seen that any hospital in any major city or town is like the UN. Female Middle Eastern doctors who wear a hijab, Middle Eastern doctors who are Christian, atheists, African doctors who are Muslim, African doctors who are gay, African nurses who are Christian, Indian nurses who are Hindu, Indian nurses who are gay, gay doctors, straight physio's, Asian doctors, Asian nurses, gay Asian Buddhist nurses, Buddist Australians, Australians who are Christian, and on and on it goes, and while I will admit in any hospital there is a constant back and forth bickering, in house fighting, claims of bullying and claims of sexual harassment and so on, not once have I ever EVER seen an argument based on religion, sexual preference or culture, because of all the things good folk can find hard to tolerate (laziness/rudeness/incompetence/dishonesty/sleaziness), in the big picture who you pray to, who you fuck and your fashion and dietary needs matter not. So in my experience in a place where you have all the people you list, grouped together working side by side, different culture, sexuality and religion the disruptions come from personalities not prayer. And in times of crisis, we work together and get it done.


I don't quite get what you're saying here. Are you saying that Tim is being oppressive? Or are you saying that I'm the problem when I disagree with someone who want's to impinge on other people's rights?

I am saying that the fact you are dictating that what you believe is to be the only way is in essence oppressive. While I agree with your view regarding atheism, I don't find the need to disrespect those whose views and beliefs are different to mine.


I agree, I don't respect many religious views. Why should I? The Catholic church says contraception is wrong. How the hell would I respect that? There a plethora of things you can look at in all religions which most good thinking people would disagree with.

While you don't have to respect the religious views of others, it does help humanity if you respect their individual right to have them. The thing that binds us is having a belief, and at its core a belief or a faith is an acceptance that something exists or is true, even when there is a lack of proof. Ultimately we can't know 100% what its all about. While you and I believe we live, we die, we become ash or worm food, until we die, we don't definitively know, and that is where interpretation of the meaning of life, faith and belief are born and sadly wars start. In my opinion, views like yours don't help bind us, they help splinter society.


Annnnnyyyywayyy- I don't want to start a religious flame war haha. So I'll leave it that unless someone has a specific question they want answered.

Probably best. The more you say, the more ignorant you look.
 
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Probably best. The more you say, the more ignorant you look.

Haha, well done you made me chuckle.

Let me ask you some questions, you don't have to answer them, but I would genuinely like to know.

Do you support those Ugandan religious bigots who want to jail someone for being gay? Or maybe those Somali religious bigots who stoned a girl for being raped?

If you don't agree with them, why is not OK for me to say that their ideas are wrong?

Of course if you do agree with their actions and the million other shitty things people have done in the name of religion then no problems. At least I'll know where you're coming from.
 
Haha, well done you made me chuckle.

Let me ask you some questions, you don't have to answer them, but I would genuinely like to know.

Do you support those Ugandan religious bigots who want to jail someone for being gay? Or maybe those Somali religious bigots who stoned a girl for being raped?

If you don't agree with them, why is not OK for me to say that their ideas are wrong?

Of course if you do agree with their actions and the million other shitty things people have done in the name of religion then no problems. At least I'll know where you're coming from.


No, I do not support a gaggle misguided religious terrorists who want to jail someone for being gay, or stone a girl for being raped, I think you will find the majority of Ugandans, both Christian and Islamic, feel the same way. I work with a CN from Uganda and I know she feels the same way we do.

Where we differ and where I think it is not "OK" you appear to judge a whole religious community based on the action of a handful of nutters. Your logic is the equivalent to calling all Christians incestuous polygamy loving child shaggers based on a handful of Mormon rednecks from the outskirts Bumfuck in Utah, or hating all Hindus because of the crimes committed against women by a handful of Hindu animals in India, or thinking all atheist people were judgmental religion hating wackjobs based on, well, you.

Bad people do bad things in the name of evil. While I am not 100% versed, I am quietly confident the bible/koran/torah/Krishna verses are based on good, peace and love. Bad Buddhists do bad things, bad Christians do bad things, bad Jews do bad things and bad Islamic people do bad things, and they do it not because of religion, but because they are cunts. They twist their belief to evil in order to support their dastardly acts.

You appear to think a handful of extremists is the majority, which in my opinion makes you just as ignorant and dangerous as the people you despise.
 
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You appear to think a handful of extremists is the majority, which in my opinion makes you just as ignorant and dangerous as the people you despise.

Jesus Christ! Please stop strawmanning me, it's pathetic and transparent. I contend that people who use the words in some ancient text as an excuse to do bad things are wrong. Can't see how I could have made it clearer.

For example say you're Catholic and you support contraception, a woman's right to choose, equal rights for LGBT people and euthanasia then I don't have a problem with your views. I might wonder about why you're calling yourself Catholic, but that's another topic.

And I'm glad you're not a an idiot who blindly supports people who use religion/cultural practice as an excuse to be shitty people. So there you go. No argument here.

Again, let me be clear as crystal. People can think/believe what they want. As long as they don't try to harm or impinge on other people's rights because of some religious interpretation then there is no issue.

If they DO try and harm/impinge on others because of their religious interpretation I WILL say that they are wrong and call them out on it. Please see what I am saying and don't allow whatever it is that is clouding your understanding of my words to lead you astray.
 
I have this tenet in life and this is a good example of why I follow it. It's the idea that words are just words and that it's up to the individual to take from it what they will. So you two seeing something different to what other people did is good backing for my belief.

Hmm. Not quite sure what you mean. Words can gather meaning if they are used in a certain context quite often. For example 'Choose Life' is often used by people campaigning against abortion. And not so much in relation to suicide.
 
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Hmm. Not quite sure what you mean. Words can gather meaning if they are used in a certain context quite often. For example 'Choose Life' is often used by people campaigning against abortion. And not so much in relation to suicide.

In case you're unsure, I'm not having a go at you for interpreting those words differently to others. I was using it as an example how people use the same words to get different meanings. And I agree, "Choose Life" is often associated with the anti abortion crowd.
 
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Bad people do bad things in the name of evil. While I am not 100% versed, I am quietly confident the bible/koran/torah/Krishna verses are based on good, peace and love.
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Sorry to harp on this, but I couldn't edit my previous post and I wanted to make it doubly clear what I am talking about so that you don't blow a fuse haha

This is text in the Bible
Leviticus 20:13 New International Version (NIV)

13 ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

This is text in the Koran
Surat An-Nūr 24:2 Sahih International

The [unmarried] woman or [unmarried] man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

There are people who use this and other words in religious text to cause harm to their fellow man. I don't think those words are a good reason to kill or maim people. I reckon that there are many people who agree with me.
 
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