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Mikk / Tim fight transcribed

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The issue is they all pass on everything. Everyone does it. The great irony of the fight is that it started by Jade doing exactly the same sort of thing Mik was accusing Tim of doing.

I think it really stems from the paranoia of the boring group. It's lead by Ed and spread to the others. They blame Tim for everything. As I have stated before, Ed's issue with Tim is that he's immune to his charms. If Ed can't just easily win someone over with his good looks, polite superficial manners, the fact he played footy. He really doesn't have much to offer.

That group only feels excluded because they think the others are happier and having more fun. Seriously if there's a 50/50 divide, how can four housemates claim they're being excluded from the other four. They've just become a bit consumed with it all.

Mik isn't getting along with Boog. So as with all problems, it's all Tim's fault. Jade saying that Tim had said stuff to Boog set her off. To her it was a 'bingo!' moment. She thought, i've got him, i've got proof. The problem is, it's just bullshit. She had nothing. She began to unravel because it was going no where. Once Boog stated that she made up her own mind and her own observations. Mik's entire plan to call Tim out, have a big moment against him was all but gone. She felt stupid. However due to the paranoia they turn it all around as part of Tim's evil puppet master skills. 'You made me look foolish.'

I think more than anything, this was a nice example of how it's that group excluding them self. They're taking themselves out of the action, out of the fun. As they're too preoccupied with this paranoid nonsense. Instead of just enjoying the time in the house. The paranoia won't let them. They have to think there's an angle being played or something going on.

They're just sitting in a bathtub of their own shit. Which they shat out. Blaming Tim for shitting in the tub. All while they continue shitting, getting deeper and deeper into the shit.

Excellent post, fully agree and loved your bathtub analogy lol. It makes me wonder if they are so blind to their own paranoia and giving Tim way too much credit for controlling the game, or... they know exactly what they're doing which is trying to paint Tim in a bad, evil light to the other housemates and public to get him evicted as they know he's a strong contestant and it's their best and only strategy they have at the moment. My money is on the former.
 
When Mikkayla was talking to Boogs there was no reason for Tim to get involved. I think he should have stayed out of it.

Mikkayala was talking about a comment that came from her in the first place. She felt Tim would have not accurately relayed her comment and wanted to clear the air with Boogs.

Tim had to get involved and argue because it was personal? How was it personal? Basically, Tim talked about Mik to Boogs. Then Mikkayla talked about Tim to Boogs. Tim decided it's personal when he got talked about. But it’s no different to him talking about Mik in the first place. He is being hypocritical to get upset because he was getting talked about.

Forget about what Mikkayla may or may not have done in the past, I am only looking at this situation. Tim was not trying to teach Mik a lesson; he was purely shit stirring for his own agenda when he told boogs what Mik said.

In this situation, Tim was wrong. He has always been a shit stirrer, taddling behind backs and going so far as to stretch the truth or even make stuff up that others have said or done; with the intention to mock others or cause rifts between other housemates. But he is not owning it here, he is on the defensive because he was upset that his stirring was being openly discussed negatively. This incident feels like he is attacking Mikkayla for something that he started.

Tim relaying the comment was ridiculous and he exaggerated it, as per usual. It was a meaningless comment that did not need to be relayed. It was not a personal attack. I have told friends their jokes or things they are say are getting old or just rolled my eyes, but that doesn't mean I am judging them or have anything against them. Tahan saying shut the front gate was getting old, but I don't judge her on it.

Think about it, Tim hears someone say Tullys name, immediately runs to Tully making out she had just been bitched about, even though he had no clue what said.

Then you have the Sugar Sisters hair turn green. Tim tells the sister he will go tell Heidi not to tell anyone. The sister tells tim not to do that because it doesn't matter if they know. Tim insists, and runs into the yard yelling out to heidi, and making sure that everyone else hears, that the sister told him to come out and tell her not to tell anyone. Then he laughed with Heidi as if the sister was pathetic for getting him to do this.

Everyone knows that Tim makes things sound worse then they are, or even goes so far as create things (like the sisters) that aren't true to relay to others. The housemates would know this. And this is why Mikkayla wanted to clear the air with Boogs. I think a lot of people would do the same. Some people may not confront Tim, and may do it more discreetly, but I can understand why Mikkayla would want to make sure Boogs knows that she meant nothing mean by it no matter how Tim may have made it sound.
 
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Mikk: No, Tim! Because then they do it on purpose! You start sh**! Now she's taking everything I do personally and it's your fault.
Boom. The exact moment Mikkayla lost the plot.

It is NOT Tim's fault if Boog interprets Mikkayla's aloof bitchiness as aloof bitchiness.

Using her stellar logic, the Sugar Sisters/Tahan feud is all Mikkayla's fault! Woooo love passing the buck and having no personal accountability! Sweet as!!!
 
When Mikkayla was talking to Boogs there was no reason for Tim to get involved. I think he should have stayed out of it.

Yes there was, she had just had a crack at him for telling Boog what she had in fact actually said...yelling and screaming about how it had now turned all personal and was all his fault. She went in and one of the first things she said to Boogs was Tim said this, Tim said that...come straight to me in future etc etc. MIKKAYLA involved Tim so he WAS justified in following her into the kitchen. What was he supposed to do ? Go on his merry way and water the plants while she holds sermon in the kitchen slagging him off for what was essentially her doing..the bacjstabbing of Boog.





Mikkayala was talking about a comment that came from her in the first place. She felt Tim would have not accurately relayed her comment and wanted to clear the air with Boogs.

Right...so what you are suggesting is then is lets all leave the 'accurate' re-telling of events to the spiteful self righteous cow who DID THE BACKSTABBING ??






Tim had to get involved and argue because it was personal? How was it personal? Basically, Tim talked about Mik to Boogs. Then Mikkayla talked about Tim to Boogs. Tim decided it's personal when he got talked about. But it’s no different to him talking about Mik in the first place. He is being hypocritical to get upset because he was getting talked about.

No...wrong again. Look at the scene more carefully.
Jade whispered to Mikkayla..... about Tim whispering to Boog..... about all the mean things Mikayla has been whispering about Boog. Quite simple really when you break down the sequence of events.






Forget about what Mikkayla may or may not have done in the past, I am only looking at this situation


Oh but see.....you CAN"T simply 'forget' what happened in the past, you can't just simply sweep under the carpet THE REASON why all of this happened. It's bit like attempting to try a serial rapist in a court of law but asking the judge to "Forget about what **** may or may not have done in the past".







In this situation, Tim was wrong.......But he is not owning it here......This incident feels like he is attacking Mikkayla for something that he started.

WRONG on all accounts again.
FIRST. Tim was not wrong here.Period.
SECONDLY. Tim admitted to telling Boog about Mikkaylas backstabbing, first to Mikkayla and again in front of the group.
THIRD. Mikkayla found herself in this position because she had ben backstabbing Boog for 2 weeks and the discomfort and embarrassment of getting found out was unbearable...to try extricate herself from this position she tried to make it ABOUT TIM...but that little self righteous cow refuses to accept that it was NOT about Tim...this whole thing was about HER BACKSTABBING.





It was a meaningless comment that did not need to be relayed. It was not a personal attack.

Wrong...AGAIN (this is getting repetitive)
If Mikkaylas "thats geting old" comment was an isolated incident, a random 'one off' then I'd agree...sure, it's a'nothing' random comment that means nothing and isn't personal...BUT.....that comment was BUT ONE in a 2 week long tirade, a 2 week long slur campaign againt anything and everything Boogs.....that was just one of what looks to be DOZENS of comments she had made behind Boogs back to EVERYONE and ANYONE willing to listen. This was NOT just a "meaningless comment" as you say...this was very much personal.







Think about it, Tim hears someone say Tullys name, immediately runs to Tully making out she had just been bitched about, even though he had no clue what said.


Lets just stick to facts if thats OK with you.
Opinions fine. Facts fine. Everything else...NOT FINE.









Then you have the Sugar Sisters hair turn green. Tim tells the sister he will go tell Heidi not to tell anyone. The sister tells tim not to do that because it doesn't matter if they know. Tim insists, and runs into the yard yelling out to heidi, and making sure that everyone else hears, that the sister told him to come out and tell her not to tell anyone. Then he laughed with Heidi as if the sister was pathetic for getting him to do this.

Yeah, well, thats life right....thats what people do eh....laugh at each other. No harm no foul and nothing to do with Mikkaylas campaign of backstabbing and bitchiness.








Everyone knows that Tim makes things sound worse then they are, or even goes so far as create things (like the sisters) that aren't true to relay to others. The housemates would know this. And this is why Mikkayla wanted to clear the air with Boogs. I think a lot of people would do the same. Some people may not confront Tim, and may do it more discreetly, but I can understand why Mikkayla would want to make sure Boogs knows that she meant nothing mean by it no matter how Tim may have made it sound.

....and some people wouldn't spend 2 weeks slagging off someone they don't know and only just met.




Face it...Mikkaylas melt down had very little to do with Tim, Mikkaylas meltdown had EVERYTHING to do with her inability to OWN all the bad vibes and slagging off of Boog that she has gushed out in the last 2 weeks. Shame...humiliation...an unwillingness to accept fault for your own nasty deeds....THAT is what this was about.
 
A LOT of pro-Mikkayla bias in this thread. I'm not judging. I know I'm always a bit biased when it comes to my favourites.

In this case - however - I don't think my personal bias (Tim being my favourite) is clouding my judgement when I say Mik is being hugely hypocritical. She has repeated stuff other housemates have said numerous times.

The simple fact is - if the situation were reversed and Tim suddenly exploded at Mikkayla for repeating a bitchy comment that he had made all you Mik fans would be saying stuff like "Well, Mik was just being honest! Tim shouldn't have bitched in the first place"

Your personal bias has distorted your reality, folks.

At last a voice of reason :)
 
Thanks for taking the time to do the transcript [MENTION=34887]Autumn[/MENTION] :)

I must say for a girl who stood outside a bathroom eavesdropping on people and went running to the kitchen to tell 4 HMs about it leading to the "hole" conversation", she sure has a strange sense of right and wrong. So it's ok to spy on people and then spread what they've said whether it's in context or not, but it's not ok for someone to tell their friend what you've directly told them? Ummm ok then pal.

Brilliant Mrs Butterface
 
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