Love to see Mikkayla evicted...

[Winterbourne]

It is strange the way viewers latch onto a housemate an feel criticism of them as an almost personal attack. We saw it with some defenses of indefensible (to most) Tully behaviour. Now, it seems to have arisen about Mikkayla.

 

[Crush Ad]

It is strange the way viewers latch onto a housemate an feel criticism of them as an almost personal attack. We saw it with some defenses of indefensible (to most) Tully behaviour. Now, it seems to have arisen about Mikkayla.

Thats the beauty of Big Brother

 

[MissKLee]

I still think she is far more entertaining to watch than most in there, so I hope she stays..but lord, I could NOT live with this one.

 

[psykologist]

It is strange the way viewers latch onto a housemate an feel criticism of them as an almost personal attack. We saw it with some defenses of indefensible (to most) Tully behaviour. Now, it seems to have arisen about Mikkayla.

Yes, it's kind of sad. However, I don't believe many really see the criticism as a personal attack. It's just that rational thought & common sense seem to go out the window when the rabid haters start in with completely biased & ridiculous nasty interpretations & views of a HMs every word & action. I don't know why I even bother trying to counter these attitudes because it sure seems that once the hate mob starts there's no reasoning with them anyway. It's either all bad or all good with a lot of people it seems. I think perhaps the social experiment should be looking as us, not BB HMs.

 

[MissKLee]

I think perhaps the social experiment should be looking as us, not BB HMs.

Haha! I have long been convinced this is the case

 

[Curious]

As a "psykologist", surely you must understand human behavior? Is it possible that

a) Justynn was extremely nervous going in, not to mention had to compete against another intruder and just overcompensated for his insecurities by pretending to be tough? Intruders and guests are kept in lock down for hours and hours before they are subjected to a large live audience and then released into the house. It must be very nerve wracking! (Nathan picked up on this and gave him the benefit of the doubt as well).

b) It's been established that Justynn is an actor as well (was supposed to be a body double for Hugh Jackman), so possibly he's playing a "character"- lumberjack, and BB knew it will create a stir and shake the HGs out of their comfort zones. Personally I would expect a lumberjack to be scruffy, muddy and possibly sweaty, BUT I would not pass judgement on his character solely based on first impressions. I predict Nathan will cause a lot more trouble once he finds his sea legs ;-)

c) Mikkayla actually is a mean girl?

btw...if someone speaks badly of you behind you're back it's not considered "rude" in your opinion? Interesting. We'll have to get Oxford to change the dictionary definition then.

Don't be ridiculous - how is it rude - she didn't say it to his face & every single one of them is saying the same thing just like every single one of them gossips & bad mouths. I don't really think any of them prejudged based on his appearance, but rather judged based on his manner (& smell apparently) which was offensive from the moment he walked in the door.

 

[Winterbourne]

Yes, it's kind of sad. However, I don't believe many really see the criticism as a personal attack. It's just that rational thought & common sense seem to go out the window when the rabid haters start in with completely biased & ridiculous nasty interpretations & views of a HMs every word & action. I don't know why I even bother trying to counter these attitudes because it sure seems that once the hate mob starts there's no reasoning with them anyway. It's either all bad or all good with a lot of people it seems. I think perhaps the social experiment should be looking as us, not BB HMs.

Definitely. And that experiment is starting to happen in my mind, at least, as, after 2 months of interacting this season, opinions start to form about the community.

I wonder would a thread about the persona presented by posters would be interesting.. or just asking for trouble.

21st century etiquette and modes of interaction are forming around us as we type and read, and I love the way something as disparaged as Big Brother can be interacted with in as intelligent way as any novel or political situation, and as stupidly as we care to as well.

I know my hatred of Ed is irrational - I hated guys like that at school, and I will feel a cathartic release when he is sent packing. Tim, who grew up in the Blue Mountains and lives in Newtown, as I did, in some way feels like a representative of myself, or Drew, an intelligent and emotional beta like myself... Ugh, I want them to complete the destruction of that group, for reasons embedded in the psyche during school days.

Other Hms, ones I don't really care about, like Justyyn say, where I can see the damage, the insecurity, I can see the negative, the real negatives of the way he interacts with people, sometimes feeling I can see flaws even in the way he thinks... This show, when you let yourself delve into it, allows a mirror into the mind, into psychology, into cultural and interpersonal interactions, into prejudice and human kindness.

Man, can I just say, I am loving this season of Big Brother, and to anyone reading tis, you are part of the pleasure. Thanks. See you in the trenches. Well, threads.

 

[psykologist]

Definitely. And that experiment is starting to happen in my mind, at least, as, after 2 months of interacting this season, opinions start to form about the community.

I wonder would a thread about the persona presented by posters would be interesting.. or just asking for trouble.

21st century etiquette and modes of interaction are forming around us as we type and read, and I love the way something as disparaged as Big Brother can be interacted with in as intelligent way as any novel or political situation, and as stupidly as we care to as well.

I know my hatred of Ed is irrational - I hated guys like that at school, and I will feel a cathartic release when he is sent packing. Tim, who grew up in the Blue Mountains and lives in Newtown, as I did, in some way feels like a representative of myself, or Drew, an intelligent and emotional beta like myself... Ugh, I want them to complete the destruction of that group, for reasons embedded in the psyche during school days.

Other Hms, ones I don't really care about, like Justyyn say, where I can see the damage, the insecurity, I can see the negative, the real negatives of the way he interacts with people, sometimes feeling I can see flaws even in the way he thinks... This show, when you let yourself delve into it, allows a mirror into the mind, into psychology, into cultural and interpersonal interactions, into prejudice and human kindness.

Man, can I just say, I am loving this season of Big Brother, and to anyone reading tis, you are part of the pleasure. Thanks. See you in the trenches. Well, threads.

Great post!

You are probably right in that there is something that we initially identify with in a HM that causes us to like or dislike them. As time goes on, even with evidence to the contrary, we cling to our previous conceptions because it's uncomfortable to feel we were wrong & because we often layer our own potential motivations onto the actions/words of HMs, especially the ones we have liked. I think the longer you have "invested" in liking/disliking someone the harder it is to change that view& the more you will explain it away - if you get contrary evidence in the 1st week or 2 it's much easier than if the evidence falls out over 6-7 weeks for example. It's probably why a lot of people have quickly gone from liking Justynn (or the idea of what he was supposed to do) to disliking him pretty much overnight - it's much easier when you see the distasteful behaviour quickly.

Of course, add in the anonymity of the internet with no consequences for what is written & some people will go to extremes on both sides of the coin.

I'd love to see a thread discussing these kinds of issues, but I think you are probably right - probably would end up in major flame wars Are you willing to try it?

 

[Winterbourne]

I'd love to see a thread discussing these kinds of issues, but I think you are probably right - probably would end up in major flame wars Are you willing to try it?

I'm game if you are. Dunno how to start, though.

 

[MissKLee]

I believe a thread was started on the main forum (not in the HM's forum) discussing the idea of "hate" and the passionate responses of forum folk, etc ..but maybe not something quite as specific as what you are speaking of. I say go for it. It's more interesting conversation than anything that goes on in the house

 

[MissKLee]

P.s for some reason I cannot edit my post but I forgot to mention that said thread did indeed turn into a slinging match

 

[psykologist]

As a "psykologist", surely you must understand human behavior? Is it possible that

a) Justynn was extremely nervous going in, not to mention had to compete against another intruder and just overcompensated for his insecurities by pretending to be tough? Intruders and guests are kept in lock down for hours and hours before they are subjected to a large live audience and then released into the house. It must be very nerve wracking! (Nathan picked up on this and gave him the benefit of the doubt as well).

b) It's been established that Justynn is an actor as well (was supposed to be a body double for Hugh Jackman), so possibly he's playing a "character"- lumberjack, and BB knew it will create a stir and shake the HGs out of their comfort zones. Personally I would expect a lumberjack to be scruffy, muddy and possibly sweaty, BUT I would not pass judgement on his character solely based on first impressions. I predict Nathan will cause a lot more trouble once he finds his sea legs ;-)

c) Mikkayla actually is a mean girl?

btw...if someone speaks badly of you behind you're back it's not considered "rude" in your opinion? Interesting. We'll have to get Oxford to change the dictionary definition then.

a) Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he seems only to be going after females nor the manner in which he is handling these confrontations once he starts them. Maybe he will improve, but I will probably have a hard time getting over the fact that only women have been targeted with his nastiness.

b) The fact that he is an actor makes me question possibility a) & actually I'm assuming he is playing a character, but it's a pretty detestable character that I don't find enjoyable. I think there were other ways to stir things up without resorting to this.

c) I guess it depends on your definition of a "mean" girl. Yes Mikkayla has been gossipy & back-stabbing to her "enemies" (she's not alone in that), particularly Tahan - both of them have. But I also see that she has a lot of kindness in her too - she seems to be willing to help anyone, even Tahan (makeup, hair, ...). I just don't like how so many people see no good in her at all.

d) rude: : not having or showing concern or respect for the rights and feelings of other people : not polite.
The subtle implication behind the definition is that it is done to one's face or in a way they will overhear or easily find out. One can be say bad things in confidence & be polite to a person's face. That's not rude, it's more like two-faced (but then, that's kind of what you expect to get in the BB diary room if someone gets asked).

 

[Curious]

a) Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he seems only to be going after females nor the manner in which he is handling these confrontations once he starts them. Maybe he will improve, but I will probably have a hard time getting over the fact that only women have been targeted with his nastiness. Hadn't noticed it was just the females he was after. Not good if that's the case

b) The fact that he is an actor makes me question possibility a) & actually I'm assuming he is playing a character, but it's a pretty detestable character that I don't find enjoyable. I think there were other ways to stir things up without resorting to this. I agree, however given how self conscious this crew is/has been about body image, it would make sense from a social experiment perspective, to have them face a situation that either a) reveals their own prejudices based on appearances or b) dig deeper to address their own insecurities.

c) I guess it depends on your definition of a "mean" girl. Yes Mikkayla has been gossipy & back-stabbing to her "enemies" (she's not alone in that), particularly Tahan - both of them have. But I also see that she has a lot of kindness in her too - she seems to be willing to help anyone, even Tahan (makeup, hair, ...). I just don't like how so many people see no good in her at all. My personal definition of mean is based on "intent" and whether there is malice behind the words. I too gossip and giggle at times about people - it's natural - however I'm very mindful of being malicious. With Mikkayla (who I think is quite pretty) I watch her micro-expressions and I just don't get nice. On the surface, sure she is sweet, friendly, etc. but I've met many girls like her in my life and still pulling the knives out of my back lol.

d) rude: : not having or showing concern or respect for the rights and feelings of other people : not polite.
The subtle implication behind the definition is that it is done to one's face or in a way they will overhear or easily find out. One can be say bad things in confidence & be polite to a person's face. That's not rude, it's more like two-faced (but then, that's kind of what you expect to get in the BB diary room if someone gets asked).

As depicted by the picture I posted above, two people can have differing perspectives, and I can respect that...I'll still argue my point though ;-)

 

[white.rice]

As a "psykologist", surely you must understand human behavior? Is it possible that

a) Justynn was extremely nervous going in, not to mention had to compete against another intruder and just overcompensated for his insecurities by pretending to be tough? Intruders and guests are kept in lock down for hours and hours before they are subjected to a large live audience and then released into the house. It must be very nerve wracking! (Nathan picked up on this and gave him the benefit of the doubt as well).

b) It's been established that Justynn is an actor as well (was supposed to be a body double for Hugh Jackman), so possibly he's playing a "character"- lumberjack, and BB knew it will create a stir and shake the HGs out of their comfort zones. Personally I would expect a lumberjack to be scruffy, muddy and possibly sweaty, BUT I would not pass judgement on his character solely based on first impressions. I predict Nathan will cause a lot more trouble once he finds his sea legs ;-)

c) Mikkayla actually is a mean girl?

btw...if someone speaks badly of you behind you're back it's not considered "rude" in your opinion? Interesting. We'll have to get Oxford to change the dictionary definition then.

a) being nervous doesn't excuse being rude. His macho act can be more than a little offensive.
b) You'd expect a lumberjack to be scruffy, muddy and sweaty; isn't that already passing judgement on the term 'lumberjack'? I've met plenty of people who work in hands-on jobs who are perfectly well groomed on a day to day basis. It's not about passing judgement. It's about cleanliness, and personal hygeine; two things every person should respect themselves enough to maintain.
c) Psykologist's point was, why are you targeting Mikkayla? She's only saying what everyone else has already pointed out. It's not nice to talk about people behind their backs, sure, but she wasn't talking; she was confiding in Big Brother. It's not something she's going to say to Justynn's face because she knows it's offensive, and she doesn't want to offend him without cause. That's not rudeness. It's manners.

edit: That being said, I prefer Justynn over Nathan because I think he'd make an awesome pot-stirrer. I just disagree with your criticism of Mikkayla.

 

[libliblibby]

Just quietly, you do have some hundred and thousands stuck on the left side of your upper and lower lips.

Thank you, gawd, wonder how long that's been there for

 

[Curious]

Too tired to respond to your first point. As far as "targeting Mikkayla". I assure you I'm not but this is the "get Mikkayla Out" thread so I'm giving my observations and opinions on why I think she should go. Thanks for speaking on behalf of Pyskologist, but he's doing a fine job on his own. Cheers

a) being nervous doesn't excuse being rude. His macho act can be more than a little offensive.
b) You'd expect a lumberjack to be scruffy, muddy and sweaty; isn't that already passing judgement on the term 'lumberjack'? I've met plenty of people who work in hands-on jobs who are perfectly well groomed on a day to day basis. It's not about passing judgement. It's about cleanliness, and personal hygeine; two things every person should respect themselves enough to maintain.
c) Psykologist's point was, why are you targeting Mikkayla? She's only saying what everyone else has already pointed out. It's not nice to talk about people behind their backs, sure, but she wasn't talking; she was confiding in Big Brother. It's not something she's going to say to Justynn's face because she knows it's offensive, and she doesn't want to offend him without cause. That's not rudeness. It's manners.

edit: That being said, I prefer Justynn over Nathan because I think he'd make an awesome pot-stirrer. I just disagree with your criticism of Mikkayla.

 

[hedgo18]

I still think she is far more entertaining to watch than most in there, so I hope she stays..but lord, I could NOT live with this one.

Yep I agree! She's alot more entertaining than say ed, or the sisters but my god if i had to live with her I'd be going insane!!
I think its all of her students voting to keep her in so they don't have to deal with her teaching haha.

 

[l.a.r.a]

(^Requoting lara requoting Boofuls)

So in other words Mikkayla is nasty to some of the people some of the time but Tahan is nasty to all of the people all of the time. Yes, I guess I can maybe agree with some of that once in a while

No, Tahan is bitchy sometimes but not nasty. Mikkayla has a nasty side and is bitchy

 

[white_tulips]

No, Tahan is bitchy sometimes but not nasty. Mikkayla has a nasty side and is bitchy

When Tahan mocked Mikkaylas eating and said and she wonders why she cant fit into her dress after Mikk had shared with them that she had an eating disorder that was nasty.
Both girls display some unpleasant behaviour and can be nasty.

 

[Sorceress]

When Tahan mocked Mikkaylas eating and said and she wonders why she cant fit into her dress after Mikk had shared with them that she had an eating disorder that was nasty.
Both girls display some unpleasant behaviour and can be nasty.

Mikkayla also impersonates Tahan, belittling her intelligence.