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tvj_23 said:
She's had one on ones with a few housemates now and she's acted the same defensive 'none of this is my fault!' way in all of them, so the size of the group in the conversation is irrelevant
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Yeah but that's an issue with her. doesnt mean Conor's strategy of ganging up on someone is a better way to confront someone.
 
i was called the R word as a child and it still affects me to this day holly only cares about herself and what the men are saying now is true i can have a conversation with my 4 year old niece and not be inturrupted and she can actully have a intellegent and honest convesation
 
Cadbury said:
It seems like one on one's and group interventions don't work with this person. She just does not get it. Words are not registering. The lights are on but nobody's home.
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And the worst thing is that she's not even open to the possibility that she may be in the wrong. It's not lack of understanding, it's wilful ignorance.
 
Here we go. Mia stating the bleeding obvious why Holly is hooking up with Colin.

I am glad the housemates are seeing what we are out here (well for me anyway).
 
kbomb247 said:
And the worst thing is that she's not even open to the possibility that she may be in the wrong. It's not lack of understanding, it's wilful ignorance.
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She had literally addressed all the main points of Jane's complaints about her. Jane didn't listen and wanted to still tell her off. It puts Holly in a no win situation. To her she put in effort to address concerns. Then gets ganged up. No one listened. There's nothing she can do.
 
carlymichelle said:
i was called the R word as a child and it still affects me to this day holly only cares about herself and what the men are saying now is true i can have a conversation with my 4 year old niece and not be inturrupted and she can actully have a intellegent and honest convesation
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Ditto me and the S word
 
up_all_night said:
She had literally addressed all the main points of Jane's complaints about her. Jane didn't listen and wanted to still tell her off. It puts Holly in a no win situation. To her she put in effort to address concerns. Then gets ganged up. No one listened. There's nothing she can do.
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Wasn't Holly completely denying that she and Colin were kissing at all?
 
carlymichelle said:
i was called the R word as a child and it still affects me to this day holly only cares about herself and what the men are saying now is true i can have a conversation with my 4 year old niece and not be inturrupted and she can actully have a intellegent and honest convesation
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I've learnt to terminate conversations (or avoid them entirely) when it is not properly reciprocated. People like Holly use speech as a form of control. The more she speaks, the less opportunity for someone to interject. That along with the constant interrupting is intentional.
 
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carlymichelle said:
the housemates are allowed to leave anytime right for no reason?
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Yes, but BB usually tries to convince them to stay (purely for production reasons) and usually they talk them into staying another night to reconsider. They probably also offer the psychologist of there's something they can help with.
 
Petarkco said:
Wasn't Holly completely denying that she and Colin were kissing at all?
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Yes but context matters. Yes they kissed, but the way Jane was referring to it was that her and Colin were constantly "snogging" all over the house in front of everyone. That is very different to if they kissed on the bean bag or under a blanket last night.

Conner did try and clarify Jane was referring to their general closeness and intimacy. I don't know if that is what Jane meant or not. Holly did deny they had kissed, but it was clear her main thing was, "wtf we aren't constantly snogging everywhere." Which they haven't been. She was trying to get that point to Jane and Jane just wanted to keep ranting and not listening. Constantly saying snogging.
 
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